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Wildebeest
Member
The failure rates are high, but the financial rewards of success are interstellar.
Rayderism
Member
I guess I understand why Sony wants to tap into the money stream that is GAAS games. They get a hit and they rake in the cash with minimal and/or funded effort.
But in the entire history of Playstation, I have only ever played two MP games, and they were racing games where I didn't have to talk to anyone. So unless they make some kind of Motorstorm-like GAAS game, I'll never play any of them. MP and GAAS is just not anything I'm into. Probably my old-school nature rearing it's head. MP to me meant a friend with controller 2 in their hand.
But in the entire history of Playstation, I have only ever played two MP games, and they were racing games where I didn't have to talk to anyone. So unless they make some kind of Motorstorm-like GAAS game, I'll never play any of them. MP and GAAS is just not anything I'm into. Probably my old-school nature rearing it's head. MP to me meant a friend with controller 2 in their hand.
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Bernardougf
Gold Member
FrankWza
Member
It already is. We just have to hope for things to cycle back a little
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Sony's investors.
Which Sony is eager to please.
Which Sony is eager to please.
Flutta
Banned
Bernardougf
Gold Member
You have in the last 5 to 10 years already multiple examples of Entertainment companies flushing down the toilet their loyal fanbase in pursuit of something broader, mainstream and updated for modern audiences and failing miserable, be in pursuit of money and/or ideology.
Young new audiences are volatile, new products are volatile, core fans who games and past that love for the next generation are not ... my son watchs me play single player games a lot, one day he will like to play Im sure, for now his thing is mobile, but Im sure thst little by little im influencing him is his tastes as is the same for sports, tv and etc.
Once Sony/playstation looses ME , they lost my son and his son, because who the fuck knows in 5 or 10 years what the new "thing" will be ...
Retaining millions of core and loyal fans should be important for any business.
Games of Today
Member
Fortnite
Twitch
Overwatch
XDefiant
Valorant
Splatoon Ripoff
Irritable Tweenagers
Neon Purple
MONEYYYYYYY
KXVXII9X
Member
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
KXVXII9X
Member
It's cool. I'm just having fun. I dip my toes in some but generally don't like them despite giving them an honest try.
ToadMan
Member
Hehe. I know - that was passing through my mind while watching the show and seeing the reactions … how times change I guess.
I’m curious about them too. Concord and Marathon in particular. I’m not sure they’re games I’d play much though.
Marathon in particular is interesting if only because that has a history that predates Halo even. Bungie have something they’re stuck on in that IP.
Unrivaledx88
Member
Who Cares if it’s Gaas games? If the games are good im Buying them.
I like my Multiplayer games and my Single player games.
Just enjoy them games .
Y’all worry to much about spending 10 dollars on a Battle Pass.
I like my Multiplayer games and my Single player games.
Just enjoy them games .
Y’all worry to much about spending 10 dollars on a Battle Pass.
RCU005
Member
Not all games have to be Single player. The problem is the live service aspect. They want to rob you of every dime you have, but people pay, so that’s the bigger issue.
RCU005
Member
It depends on the franchises. There are many that need and deserve to be remade, but we also need new IPs. After all, our beloved franchises started being new.
Fahdis
Member
icerock
Member
Their biggest cash cow studio from which they have been milking money for 2 decades with Uncharted and TLOU have just got their GaaS canned. Their next SP game is at least 3 years away, more realistically 4.
I find it mental how badly duo of Hermen and Jim have mismanaged the first party slate. I shudder to think what the PS5 first 2 years would've looked like if these two buffoons got their jobs 3 years earlier. Let's hope they have the sense to pivot, and pivot fast when all the derivate GaaS crap they are trying to build flops.
I find it mental how badly duo of Hermen and Jim have mismanaged the first party slate. I shudder to think what the PS5 first 2 years would've looked like if these two buffoons got their jobs 3 years earlier. Let's hope they have the sense to pivot, and pivot fast when all the derivate GaaS crap they are trying to build flops.
schaft0620
Member
The player is asking for them
Today's count
1. CS:GO ~800K Concurrent players
2. DOTA ~365K Concurrent players
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10. War Thunder ~60K Concurrent players
Thousands of games then:
The Last of Us ~1,360 Concurrent
God of War ~1,475 Concurrent
Uncharted ~300 Concurrent players
Sackboy ~50 Concurrent players
Today's count
1. CS:GO ~800K Concurrent players
2. DOTA ~365K Concurrent players
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10. War Thunder ~60K Concurrent players
Thousands of games then:
The Last of Us ~1,360 Concurrent
God of War ~1,475 Concurrent
Uncharted ~300 Concurrent players
Sackboy ~50 Concurrent players
ZoukGalaxy
Member
Shareholders I guess ?
Woopah
Member
Helldivers 2 is published by Sony as well.
unlurkified
Member
Shareholders. That’s probably it.
Destiny 2 has never really been that popular since its disastrous launch drove a lot of players away. I don’t know why Sony are banking on Bungee to lay the golden egg and carry them in their new gaas push.
Destiny 2 has never really been that popular since its disastrous launch drove a lot of players away. I don’t know why Sony are banking on Bungee to lay the golden egg and carry them in their new gaas push.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Because it sucks for us single player game lovers. The audience of people catered towards over the previous 3 generations, over 25 years, that Sony built their brand on.
Did you watch the Sony conference? It was all GaaS from Sony. It was depressing as hell. We're fully involved in an entirely new direction of GaaS shitty games. The gaming industry is focused almost entirely on "services" now and it absolutely sucks for gaming.
Just look at what's become of the Xbox brand and now Sony. There's going to continue to be so much bullshit gamers have to deal with and less great single player games.
There will still be some good ones but the amount of BS driven by greed and exploiting gamers keeps increasing.
onnextflix5
Member
Little kids, with daddy’s credit card.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Of all the causes to take up for championing 30 fps had to be the most bizarre. Sixty fps is wonderful. It improves the gaming experience. Also, there's this thing called performance modes so games can have 30 and 60. I really wish you would stop making gamers out to be "newbs who just discovered 60 fps" because you guys sound rediculous. Console gamers have been hoping for more 60 fps games ever since we saw PC gamers having smoother experiences with less lag for years and years.
I'm a graphics whore too but wanting to get rid of 60 fps is absurd. That's what you're advocating for.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
im sure the next showcase will be better.
Sony need GaaS money to fund SP games.
I mean there are other third party GaaS that brings in renevue for Sony, but i think Sony is very cautious of acquisitions, so they have to invest in their own GaaS
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It does seem a little ridiculous in a world where Hogwarts, Spider-Man, God of War, Zelda, Elden Ring, etc all sell 20 million copies and those are essentially guaranteed hits as long as the quality is there….
And these companies want to chase Live Service stuff where you can have a great playing game but it flops because that market is fickle and engrained?
The SP audience buys the bangers whenever they come out, it’s pretty much a lock. The Fortnite kiddies are unlikely to switch no matter how good your new live service game is
Just really dumb and greedy imho
bluecowboys
Banned
No matter which platform you use (Steam, PSN, XBL, etc) GAAS is the most played games PERIOD. Sorry, but Jim Ryan is by the numbers guy and rightfully so. He is doing what share holders want. MAKE MONEY.
bluecowboys
Banned
Those games take 5 years to make and still carry a financial risk. Once the first few months are over, those games sales drop unless the games get bundled or massive price drop.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
The risk is much less than GaaS
The AAA formula ain’t hard to do at this point, just takes resources and time. But if you build it, they will come
DrFigs
Member
Of all the things to dislike Jim Ryan for, this is definitely the silliest. Playstation doesn't have any standout multiplayer games at all - with the exception of GT7 for racing enthusiasts, and they're possibly going to lose COD and Overwatch. It shows a lot of foresight on Jim's part to plan to have substitute games in development.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Isn’t Bungie enough though?
Don’t need 12 live service games, just get Bungie to expand and develop 3-4 simultaneous properties
Maybe that’s the idea with Firewalk; they’re in Washington where Bungie is. If they fail, just incorporate them into Bungie
ChorizoPicozo
Member
can you ask...i dunno a luxury car brand to make a car for peasants.
if even Rockstar failed at doing MP/GaaS at the same level of quality as their Single Player content...what can you expect from any studio in the industry?.
For Sony to attempt such undertaking they shuld be as big as Ubisoft...and look at ubisoft; no one wants them.
can you blame sony for trying?...Of course not.
but if thier intention is to make MP/GaaS with the same PlayStation's production values that everyone expects....sony better be at peace at throwing billions of dollars down the drain.
if even Rockstar failed at doing MP/GaaS at the same level of quality as their Single Player content...what can you expect from any studio in the industry?.
For Sony to attempt such undertaking they shuld be as big as Ubisoft...and look at ubisoft; no one wants them.
can you blame sony for trying?...Of course not.
but if thier intention is to make MP/GaaS with the same PlayStation's production values that everyone expects....sony better be at peace at throwing billions of dollars down the drain.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
That's a video game industry kind of thing where the big studios and companies typically focus only on big projects and following the trend. That's one way to maximize sales and profits.
Another way is to take a more diversified approach of big selling/high cost to make games + lower selling/low cost to make games.
If these companies can figure out how to have a portfolio of different brands and high/low cost stuff, I'm sure gaming companies can too. There's lots of $19.99 kinds of indies games that sell well. And with lower costs to make surely hit the jackpot in profits. My company is the same. Some of our most profitable products arent even the biggest sellers. Not even close. It can be a product ranked in the bottom 50% of sales. But the cost to make is low, so in terms of profits it's a top 20% ranker. To me, those kinds of products are like indie games.
Often times the biggest selling products we sell have great top line sales, but profits might be shit as it costs a lot to make and the company funnels marketing costs to the popular items. And the popular items are all the ones every company is fighting with, so marketing and discount costs go through the roof. But that product we sell ranked 200th in sales just hums along doing it's own thing.
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Sony making GAAS games seems like they would be eating their own lunch to a degree. The beauty of the digital age is Sony gets a cut of every transaction. It almost seems better to feed off other successful GAAS games from third parties. Why take the risk and end up with a flop, look at other companies who keep trying to chase that fortnight success. Better off to keep making games they are good at.
DrFigs
Member
Having so many in development always seemed excessive. It's not clear to me where the Bungie acquisition fits into this timeline - if these games were greenlit before negotiations or whatever. idk. It certainly was not handled well. And we're seeing now that hopefully a lot of these games are going to get cancelled before they're even announced. Hermen Hulst seems to be doing a pretty bad job managing playstation studios. But the idea of investing more in live service games was not bad in itself.
bluecowboys
Banned
They won't lose COD and Overwatch, but I can see a lot of PS owners who play nothing but COD go to xbox just because of game pass and marketing rights/console bundles. Also, use these games as leverage to remove Xbox live gold because the MT from these games will make MSFT a lot more money.
bluecowboys
Banned
I disagree, there has been AAA games that flopped and didn't make Sony any money. All you need is one good GAAS and then BOOM you are set for life pretty much. Look at fortnite and minecraft.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
One of the execs last year said something like "all we need is one to be successful". So what they are doing is taking a shotgun approach. If one of them does gangbusters, any other one doing bad will likely get gassed fast. Lets face it, Sony cuts the cord on MP servers fast to begin with regarding games with low online user counts.
Sony actually already has a super successful GAAS game. That Grand Order Fate game nobody talks about since it's mobile. Its done like $4 billion since launch. But since it's some reason under the Sony Music division and a mobile game, nobody talks about it here. Sony would love to replicate that with a traditional console game.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Which AAA games have flopped for Sony?
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I think the shotgun approach is wrong because it very likely just pissing money away
I think building around Bungie is the best strategy. Go all in or go home. Make your GaaS have enough resources to be a success
bluecowboys
Banned
On the top of my head. Killzone, Knack, Days gone, Dreams, and Sackboy. There are more examples too if we look at the PS3 era.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Days Gone sold very well despite the less than stellar reviews. If it had sold horribly I think Bend would have been shut down
Killzone is an ancient title so doesn’t really count. Knack was never AAA, nor Dreams or Sackboy.
Efren is G.O.A.T.
Member
I agree with you, I love discovering new IPs and/or new entries in established IPs but like you said it depends on the franchise.
Speaking of remakes, I'm hopeful for the Splinter Cell Remake that they announced 1.5 year ago. We'll see how that turns out eventually.
bluecowboys
Banned
Doesn't matter if Killzone is ancient. It was a AAA game from Sony. Knack, Dreams and sackboy were full price so it must've been expensive to make. Also, there is rumors circulating TLOU2 didn't make its money back. That is why naughty dog was making a GAAS game and remade TLOU part 1.
Days gone flopped that is why there is no sequel.
"According to former Bend Studio staffer Jeff Ross, Days Gone too sold over eight million copies within a year and a half of release but it was still portrayed as a disappointment."
Days Gone Was a 'Disappointment' For Sony Despite Same Sales as Ghost of Tsushima
Former Bend Studio developer has revealed that Days Gone sales also crossed eight million but it was considered a disappointment.
www.playstationlifestyle.net
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