And why should I care about that exactly if it's not resulting in products that I want?
Look at EA as an example - great from a business perspective, lucrative GAAS across majority of their portfolio and they've recently had record years from a financial perspective, yet they make fuck all that I'm interested in. So if Sony want to go down that path, where the pursuit becomes about money above anything else and they abandon their core values in the process (as in what makes playstation playstation and what made me a customer in the first place) then it's quite simple, I'm out. Xbox went down a similar path after the 360 (yet I still made the mistake of buying an OG Xbox One), I said bye bye and they've done nothing since that makes me want to return.
Sony are only doing 2 big single player exclusives a year of late because they are choosing to and are redirecting investment elsewhere, that much is evident. If they continue on this tragectory soon it will be just one and then before we know it we end up with Xbox's 2022.
What people fail to realise is that GaaS is capital/resource intensive, more so than single player games in many ways due to the ongoing attention and investment required. Look at what has happened to companies like Valve and Rockstar since they stumbled upon TF2 and GTA online respectively. A lot of their focus becomes about milking those games instead of making more Half Life's and single player GTA experiences. Playstation will suffer the same fate while embarking on this path, regardless of whether any of their GAAS games are successful, the allure of highly lucrative success being right around the corner is too much.
It already is. We just have to hope for things to cycle back a littleSomebody pin this fucking great post ...it will be relevant in the future.
Most valuable as in the ones who generate more revenue for them? I don’t know if that is true at all… I’m their worst costumer since I mostly play single player games, buy mostly physical and don’t buy any extras…
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It's cool. I'm just having fun. I dip my toes in some but generally don't like them despite giving them an honest try.to be fair only play one and its already out.
Hahaha i wanted to post this. You see...the same people are now complaing about Sony investing in MP/GaaS.
I want to see more of these announced games from Haven and Firewalk. Concorde teaser had a great retro Scifi vibe.
Why are good Single Player stories not good enough?
Sometimes, a remake is better than a new IP
Who Cares if it’s Gaas games? If the games are good im Buying them.
I like my Multiplayer games and my Single player games.
Just enjoy them games .
Y’all worry to much about spending 10 dollars on a Battle Pass.
What games are you talking about? The sony showcase didn't show any first party games except for Spiderman and that one is not a gas game.
Helldivers 2 is published by Sony as well.They will likely go into PS+ subscriptions. Like MS day one GaaS. This is likely what is driving the push for it much like how it did for MS.
Concord, FAIR GAME$, Marathon. These are all first party.
Why not? Sony need a good GaaS Ip to bring in constant revenue streams.
JUst look at the COD drama now.
Which I categorise as nuveu du gameurs. People who are so new to gaming that they just discovered 60fps and think its end all be all. Or played Elden ring and like to boast about gameplay only
im sure the next showcase will be better.Because it sucks for us single player game lovers. The audience of people catered towards over the previous 3 generations, over 25 years, that Sony built their brand on.
Did you watch the Sony conference? It was all GaaS from Sony. It was depressing as hell. We're fully involved in an entirely new direction of GaaS shitty games. The gaming industry is focused almost entirely on "services" now and it absolutely sucks for gaming.
Just look at what's become of the Xbox brand and now Sony. There's going to continue to be so much bullshit gamers have to deal with and less great single player games.
There will still be some good ones but the amount of BS driven by greed and exploiting gamers keeps increasing.
Because it sucks for us single player game lovers. The audience of people catered towards over the previous 3 generations, over 25 years, that Sony built their brand on.
Did you watch the Sony conference? It was all GaaS from Sony. It was depressing as hell. We're fully involved in an entirely new direction of GaaS shitty games. The gaming industry is focused almost entirely on "services" now and it absolutely sucks for gaming.
Just look at what's become of the Xbox brand and now Sony. There's going to continue to be so much bullshit gamers have to deal with and less great single player games.
There will still be some good ones but the amount of BS driven by greed and exploiting gamers keeps increasing.
Those games take 5 years to make and still carry a financial risk. Once the first few months are over, those games sales drop unless the games get bundled or massive price drop.It does seem a little ridiculous in a world where Hogwarts, Spider-Man, God of War, Zelda, Elden Ring, etc all sell 20 million copies and those are essentially guaranteed hits as long as the quality is there….
And these companies want to chase Live Service stuff where you can have a great playing game but it flops because that market is fickle and engrained?
The SP audience buys the bangers whenever they come out, it’s pretty much a lock. The Fortnite kiddies are unlikely to switch no matter how good your new live service game is
Just really dumb and greedy imho
Those games take 5 years to make and still carry a financial risk. Once the first few months are over, those games sales drop unless the games get bundled or massive price drop.
Of all the things to dislike Jim Ryan for, this is definitely the silliest. Playstation doesn't have any standout multiplayer games at all - with the exception of GT7 for racing enthusiasts, and they're possibly going to lose COD and Overwatch. It shows a lot of foresight on Jim's part to plan to have substitute games in development.No matter which platform you use (Steam, PSN, XBL, etc) GAAS is the most played games PERIOD. Sorry, but Jim Ryan is by the numbers guy and rightfully so. He is doing what share holders want. MAKE MONEY.
Of all the things to dislike Jim Ryan for, this is definitely the silliest. Playstation doesn't have any standout multiplayer games at all - with the exception of GT7 for racing enthusiasts, and they're possibly going to lose COD and Overwatch. It shows a lot of foresight on Jim's part to plan to have substitute games in development.
That's a video game industry kind of thing where the big studios and companies typically focus only on big projects and following the trend. That's one way to maximize sales and profits.Every single one of these scams look exactly the same. There's already so much time and attention people can give to gaming in general without a company trying to take money for an MTX Skin for my character's balls or tits. Why are good Single Player stories not good enough?
Either investors are getting super greedy or companies are out of touch with their target audiences. I read today that Millenials are the target demographic, are they the ones playing GaaS games? Looks more like a Gen Z trend. Literally copies of each other, fucking rainbows everywhere and have no sense of identity. Seeing that 60% will be live service, I feel sorry for what's to come for the industry in general without any innovation.
Have fun playing the same shit for the next decade. I know this is hyperbole, but gaming is fucking dead.
Industry Focus:
- Remakes
- GaaS
Genres:
- First Person Shooters
- Fantasy with Swords
- Zombies
- Cyber/Steampunk
We are lucky to get things like the Plucky Squire once in a while. Indies are alright, at least they are more innovative than AAA.
Having so many in development always seemed excessive. It's not clear to me where the Bungie acquisition fits into this timeline - if these games were greenlit before negotiations or whatever. idk. It certainly was not handled well. And we're seeing now that hopefully a lot of these games are going to get cancelled before they're even announced. Hermen Hulst seems to be doing a pretty bad job managing playstation studios. But the idea of investing more in live service games was not bad in itself.Isn’t Bungie enough though?
Don’t need 12 live service games, just get Bungie to expand and develop 3-4 simultaneous properties
Maybe that’s the idea with Firewalk; they’re in Washington where Bungie is. If they fail, just incorporate them into Bungie
They won't lose COD and Overwatch, but I can see a lot of PS owners who play nothing but COD go to xbox just because of game pass and marketing rights/console bundles. Also, use these games as leverage to remove Xbox live gold because the MT from these games will make MSFT a lot more money.Of all the things to dislike Jim Ryan for, this is definitely the silliest. Playstation doesn't have any standout multiplayer games at all - with the exception of GT7 for racing enthusiasts, and they're possibly going to lose COD and Overwatch. It shows a lot of foresight on Jim's part to plan to have substitute games in development.
I disagree, there has been AAA games that flopped and didn't make Sony any money. All you need is one good GAAS and then BOOM you are set for life pretty much. Look at fortnite and minecraft.The risk is much less than GaaS
The AAA formula ain’t hard to do at this point, just takes resources and time. But if you build it, they will come
One of the execs last year said something like "all we need is one to be successful". So what they are doing is taking a shotgun approach. If one of them does gangbusters, any other one doing bad will likely get gassed fast. Lets face it, Sony cuts the cord on MP servers fast to begin with regarding games with low online user counts.Isn’t Bungie enough though?
Don’t need 12 live service games, just get Bungie to expand and develop 3-4 simultaneous properties
Maybe that’s the idea with Firewalk; they’re in Washington where Bungie is. If they fail, just incorporate them into Bungie
I disagree, there has been AAA games that flopped and didn't make Sony any money. All you need is one good GAAS and then BOOM you are set for life pretty much. Look at fortnite and minecraft.
One of the execs last year said something like "all we need is one to be successful". So what they are doing is taking a shotgun approach. If one of them does gangbusters, any other one doing bad will likely get gassed fast.
On the top of my head. Killzone, Knack, Days gone, Dreams, and Sackboy. There are more examples too if we look at the PS3 era.Which AAA games have flopped for Sony?
On the top of my head. Killzone, Knack, Days gone, Dreams, and Sackboy on the top of my head. There are more examples too if we look at the PS3 era.
I agree with you, I love discovering new IPs and/or new entries in established IPs but like you said it depends on the franchise.It depends on the franchises. There are many that need and deserve to be remade, but we also need new IPs. After all, our beloved franchises started being new.
Days Gone sold very well despite the less than stellar reviews. If it had sold horribly I think Bend would have been shut down
Killzone is an ancient title so doesn’t really count. Knack was never AAA, nor Dreams or Sackboy.