Fredrik
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Only 254 hours, I guess I need to play some moreYou clearly havent played the game, have you? Spoiler, lifepaths do not matter, nor their existence make the game an rpg.
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Only 254 hours, I guess I need to play some moreYou clearly havent played the game, have you? Spoiler, lifepaths do not matter, nor their existence make the game an rpg.
Only 254 hours, I guess I need to play some more
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It’s more RPG than TW3, that’s what I’m saying. But sure, neither give you enough choices so you can actually role play.Ok cool, it's still not an rpg unless you enjoy lying to yourself in which case, good for you.
Noone said videogames should simulate tabletop RPG 1:1
But calling Final Fantasy and Horizon RPG just because they have skill tree, hitpoints and XP, is absurdly inaccurate.
Those were once called “Adventure” games.A true RPG *must* allow the player to affect the narrative.
That's not really counter to my comment about you being far too rigid in your definition of a true RPG:
There are very few - possibly even zero - video games that I would consider "real" RPGs.
Neither are true RPGs - those almost don't exist in video games anymore. Witcher is closer, though. A true RPG *must* allow the player to affect the narrative.
The games are almost entirely scripted. Same is true for most modern WRPGs. It is very difficult to translate the mechanics of what a "real" RPG is to the video game medium because the core of role playing is essentially total freedom
The last one is particularly absurd. All video games scripted and have boundaries. And by your definition any game that presents a narrative to the player should be ruled out as the player isn't affecting the narrative, they are just selecting a predefined path that a scenario writer has presented for them which is not a lot different than a choose your own adventure book.
I never said Horizon was an RPG. Early Final Fantasies allowed you to create parties and level up characters as you saw fit to tackle the adventure as such.
NoThose were once called “Adventure” games.
Japanese RPGs are making things complicated though. Is Final Fantasy 7 a role playing game? You can’t create your own character, it’s super linear and nothing you do change the story. Where is the role playing?
Yes?
Is that so? And what part about Final Fantasy 7 makes it an "Action Adventure" game, exactly? This is going to be good.Because they are not RPGs , they are Action-Adventure/Strategy games with the trappings of an RPG.
Agreed, the term just sounds like nerds playing dress-up to me.I always thought rpg was not the best term, imo most games are roll playing,
in doom I played the roll of a space marine, in tomb raider I played the roll of a rich hot English woman
Well, it's strategy as well, i mean the OG FF7. Anyways, it's the story of Cloud & Gang going of a (perilous) adventure to stop Le-Long-DaiKatana-Wielding-Guy ( Nodachi Guy?) from destroying the planet.Is that so? And what part about Final Fantasy 7 makes it an "Action Adventure" game, exactly? This is going to be good.
ofc all games have limitations. But so do tabletop RPGs.
The only tabletop I know that has nearly no limits is Fate Core. It takes everything into "life simulator" realm.
But here we are talking about role playing, which has clear core definitions. "Core" underlined.
Those were once called “Adventure” games.
There is no mutual exclusivity, no proper choice & consequence etc.
You mean old AC games? Valhalla is as close to RPG as a game can possibly be without being RPG.The Witcher has considerably more complex narrative and gameplay systems vs horizon. This is a strange comparison. Horizon should be compared with Ac.
Your usage of the word "if" is redundant because JRPGS, including Final Fantasy, are accepted as RPGs by the industry at large. These games are considered, and always have been, RPGs because their core mechanics are based on traditional tabletop RPG games.Well, it's strategy as well, i mean the OG FF7. Anyways, it's the story of Cloud & Gang going of a (perilous) adventure to stop Le-Long-DaiKatana-Wielding-Guy ( Nodachi Guy?) from destroying the planet.
There is no mutual exclusivity, no proper choice & consiquence etc.
If we accept J"RPG" as RPGs then everyone and their mother is an RPG, which makes the term meaningless.
You mean old AC games? Valhalla is as close to RPG as a game can possibly be without being RPG.
They're action RPGs no matter what Twitter might tell you. In Horizon you gain XP to level up, collect scraps to craft gear with stats. If Dark Souls is an action RPG then Horizon sure as shit is.
If Horizon is called RPG then Far Cry, Batman and Just Cause.. etc are RPGs!
GTA isn't a driving/racing game even if it has a lot of cars and actually has racing events. The difference here is how much emphasis and focus are placed on these mechanics.If Horizon is called RPG then Far Cry, Batman and Just Cause.. etc are RPGs!
Many devs/pubs describe their games as action RPGs because they contain only a very small percentage of RPG elements, and this has become a marketing purpose to suggest to the consumers that the game is 30+hr long and they will spends a lot of time playing it.
All three are slightly different. In moments Valhalla really feels like dumbed down and streamlined Witcher 3. Slightly more complex mission and dialogue design and it would be no different than what CDPR did. It even has it's own Gwent in form of Orlog.Is Valhalla different from Origins? While the game has loot, levels and skill trees, it really feels like those elements are tacked onto traditional action games these days in order to turn them from 10-15 hour experience to 35-70 hour experiences.
I think the general game audience needs that dopamine hit from progression which is why so many games structure themselves with these types of elements. Or at the very least these hooks keep more players engaged longer.
All three are slightly different. In moments Valhalla really feels like dumbed down and streamlined Witcher 3. Slightly more complex mission and dialogue design and it would be no different than what CDPR did. It even has it's own Gwent in form of Orlog.
Honestly for me, Souls games are a lot more RPG than the Witcher ever could be. The Witcher and Horizon are action adventure games with RPG *elements*. They're not true RPGs.
Wrong. Role-playing game means exactly what it means - you play a role, whether it is a defined one or you start with a blank slate. In many RPGs (and that goes all the way back to pen&paper of 30 years ago) you can also pick a pre-defined character complete with a back story - selecting one doesn't turn an RPG suddenly into an action game with RPG elements.They are action games with RPG >ELEMENTS<
Role Playing Game. You create your character almost entirely. Your backstory. Starting skill attributes. Class. Race, subrace. etc.
is it possible to be more boring than the witcher?Horizon is booooooring compared to witcher, i quit it half way through thats why.
There is a reason for that.@James Sawyer Ford lol fucking yessssssss! Thats my favorite one. It MUST play like shit to be an RPG, no fun must be had with the combat at all. We need to put that as some bullet point on the box. Be like "combat is weak as it should be, cumbersome, laggy, bad animations...just as an RPG is made to be"
Hmm ... that's a toughie. Not really sure.Where do you put Bloodborne then? It's really streamlined when you compare it to Souls games.
That somehow is worse than what GG did with her face.i would consider it an RPG if the main character looked like this
JRPG just means RPGs made by Japanese developers… so yes Souls is a JRPG.does this mean that souls games are not jrpgs
Souls games are their own genre. They are not RPGs. And yes, by the definitiven, JRPG are just RPG made in japan, but normally people mean a specific style of a game (e.g. Final Fantasy, ...).JRPG just means RPGs made by Japanese developers… so yes Souls is a JRPG.
This.Wrong. Role-playing game means exactly what it means - you play a role, whether it is a defined one or you start with a blank slate. In many RPGs (and that goes all the way back to pen&paper of 30 years ago) you can also pick a pre-defined character complete with a back story - selecting one doesn't turn an RPG suddenly into an action game with RPG elements.
Witcher 3 is an RPG since all the stats and choices have a profound effect on the game, whereas in Horizon's case it is just there to give you an impression of complexity. It's a 'gamification' tool to give you a dopamine boost because of unlocks, weapons, skills. Witcher 3 is an RPG with action elements, Horizon is an action game with RPG elements.
That's not right. If that were true then none of the Final Fantasy games would be RPGs because they all have main characters that you don't create. If Cyberpunk is an RPG then the Witcher is too.People. Neither Witcher, especially nor Horizon are RPG games.
They are action games with RPG >ELEMENTS<
Role Playing Game. You create your character almost entirely. Your backstory. Starting skill attributes. Class. Race, subrace. etc.
Pillars of Eternity is RPG
Elder Scrolls is RPG
Divinity/Baldur's Gate are RPG
Even Cyberpunk is RPG
Witcher has RPG elements. And not a shallow one tbf.
And Horizon..... has very basic coverage of the definition mentioned above.