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Windows 11 vs. Windows 10

64bitmodels

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my thoughts daily driving windows 11

1. never got the hate for the new start menu, and even using it now i still don't see the anger. i quite like the grid interface, makes the apps more recognizable and easy to find while being very pretty.
2. the rounded windows are epic. I like looking at them. i dont see why anyone hates them
3. the new right click drop down menu, i'm a bit mixed on. it hasn't slowed down my workflow (or lack thereof) very much and recently it's been working very well for the tasks i want to do. that being said getting used to it was a bit of a hassle and i kind of wish it weren't there at all.
4. the settings menu felt like a redesign for the sake of a redesign... that being said, it works great and i honestly haven't noticed any major downgrades from the 10 version. It fits in with the modern MS design language better too.
5. for some reason, clicking on the clock on the bottom right of the taskbar does not pop up a calendar and a full view of the time. This has to be some sort of bug, this was a feature in every other windows previously and it was very convenient for checking the time better. there's a calendar app for this but i'd rather it just pop up when i click the bottom right.
6. this has to be the most beautiful windows since Vista. i love the new design language and UI graphics that MS are using. I don't like minimalism, but everything here feels very animated, nice and smooth, with tons of gradients and a slightly shaded but nice overall looking UI. it's a pleasure to look at and i'd take it over Windows 10's ugly metro UI.... That being said, they still haven't added back the XP/Win7 theming capabilities, though those issues are a bit mitigated by the beautiful UI.
7. The OS feels much much snappier than 10, with shit just responding faster and not needing to take an eternity to load. Maybe this is because of a fresh install, maybe it's because of Microsoft going out of their way to optimize their kernel, either way i like it much more
8: EDIT: they just updated the new file explorer and they've added tabs. better late than never, shit feels so much better now

Overall i honestly don't get all of the hate, this is honestly an improvement over 10 in my eyes. I actually quite like the new direction windows is going in though i still hate the bloat and telemetry that's been present since 10. They still have yet to restore all of the shit that Vista removed, though.
 
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twilo99

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lmimmfn said:
Absolutely 0 interest in Windows 11, hassle upgrading, hassle migrating data, the hassle seeing if things run correctly
My time vs M$ time(That i would have to pay for lol), I win!!!!
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You've been saying that about every new version since win xp ...
 
Kazekage1981

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Microsoft edge isn't that bad either, feels faster than chrome. I'm wondering if there are any differences between Windows 10 edge vs Windows 11 edge x86 version.

Main thing on Windows 11 is they got rid of the live tiles. I understood the concept, but the execution and implementation failed miserably especially with the windows phone. I think there are 2 main reasons why they made windows 11: 1) getting rid of live tiles/metro design once and for all, 2) and the TCP 2.0 thing (which is still bullshit)

I think 2023 they are really going to push for Windows 11 on ARM with project Volterra and they will finally have beefy CPU/NPU/GPU ARM chips from Qualcomm. I would love a Galaxy Z Fold type of Windows 11 ARM device with decent camera, s-pen, 5G and Wifi6E, USB 4.0, etc. You don't need Windows Mobile/Phone type OS anymore. You can text message, make phone calls on the Windows 11 device.

For 2023:
1)They really need to push for pen support with 1:1 writing experience for artists, architects with zero latency. They need to make more devices use the Microsoft dial
2) Get rid of garbage webcams on Windows 11 laptops and Windows 11 mobile like devices. Microsoft needs to go back to Nokia, Samsung, and Sony to manufacture and provide 16MP+ front cameras and decent sound recording. Content creation is getting more popular
3) Entry level PC gaming will be more attainable with AMD Zen4/RDNA3 based APU's and intel Meteor Lake/Arc
4) Developers to make NATIVE direct x 12 ultimate games on Windows 11 ARM.
5) Polish the aesthetics and UI further with silky smooth transition animations and better implementation of Aero/Frost/Transparency Windows 7 style.
6) Reduce OS footprint further (they managed to reduce Windows 8 OS RAM footprint compared to Windows 7)
7) Really push for DirectStorageAPI, to reduce game load times and use SFS for better level of detail
 
lachesis

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One thing I don't like about Windows 10, is that configuration seem to be on all over the place... as if it's windows 7 + 8 interface combined, but not integrated as one.
Traditional control panel to Windows 8 configuration and all - they are in different position and some seems to overlap each others function...

Since my MB and CPU doesn't officially support Win 11, I haven't been able to install - but next computer build that I'm thinking will definitely have Win 11. Win 10 works but I think I'm ready for a fresh look.
 
Dorago

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Remember when they sent stealth "upgrades" to your Win 7 build that borked performance and made an nagware launcher the first thing you saw when you logged in to your computer? Remember when the said Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows? Remember when DX12 was rolled out in 2015 and it had significantly worse performance than DX11 in all cases and they said it would be perfected when enough users switched to Windows 10?
 
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lachesis said:
One thing I don't like about Windows 10, is that configuration seem to be on all over the place... as if it's windows 7 + 8 interface combined, but not integrated as one.
Traditional control panel to Windows 8 configuration and all - they are in different position and some seems to overlap each others function...
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this isn't resolved that much with Windows 11, legacy apps will still have the same old windows style they usually do. Control panel and Disk Management still look the way they did back in Windows 7.

that being said that was never a problem for me. Control panel ain't broken so why fix it? Not EVERYTHING needs to be in MS's new design language, just the surface level stuff that you'll be interacting with 99% of the time
 
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diffusionx

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lmimmfn said:
Absolutely 0 interest in Windows 11, hassle upgrading, hassle migrating data, the hassle seeing if things run correctly
My time vs M$ time(That i would have to pay for lol), I win!!!!
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If you are on Windows 10, then updating Windows 11 is like updating your phone. It’s really not a big deal at all.

I like Windows 11. It is a better OS to use than Win 10. Getting rid of the live tiles was smart. It feels more consistent and smoother than Windows 10.
 
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Kazekage1981

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MSFT really needs to encourage OEMS to make more Windows 11 Desktop Surface Studio as standalones with full touch, pen & dial support, 16MP+ webcam, 120hz refresh rate, VRR.

Imagine drawing on a QD-OLED MSFT Surface Studio :pie_drooling:🤤🤤🤤
 
twilo99

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The Studio is cool, but for whatever reason they are always a generation behind when it comes to the CPU and GPU in there... so yes, your proposal sounds very nice because the actual hardware is top notch.
 
Kazekage1981

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twilo99 said:
The Studio is cool, but for whatever reason they are always a generation behind when it comes to the CPU and GPU in there... so yes, your proposal sounds very nice because the actual hardware is top notch.
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From my understanding they use old CPU's/GPU's collecting dust in intel/NVIDIA inventory/stock. I wish they would use AMD Zen3/RDNA2, it would still be a decent product
 
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Kazekage1981

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Although these youtube videos are based on rumors and speculation:



Key Points:
-Windows 12 will be heavily focused on utilizing AI
-May have new hardware requirements: An NPU
-Certain tasks that require AI/NPU is extremely taxing on the CPU and drains battery life
-ARM based CPU's and software is already far ahead in utilizing AI/NPU: Qualcomm Snapdragon, Google Tensor, Apple Bionic and M series, MacOS, iOS, Android.
-Project Voltera utilizes AI from Qualcomm Snapdragon
-x86 having NPU will come out later this year.
 
Silver Wattle

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Kazekage1981 said:
Although these youtube videos are based on rumors and speculation:



Key Points:
-Windows 12 will be heavily focused on utilizing AI
-May have new hardware requirements: An NPU
-Certain tasks that require AI/NPU is extremely taxing on the CPU and drains battery life
-ARM based CPU's and software is already far ahead in utilizing AI/NPU: Qualcomm Snapdragon, Google Tensor, Apple Bionic and M series, MacOS, iOS, Android.
-Project Voltera utilizes AI from Qualcomm Snapdragon
-x86 having NPU will come out later this year.
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Intel and AMD are building AI into PCs. It doesn't matter yet—but it will

Innovations by AMD and Intel point to a future where AI will become commonplace in PCs. But you don't have to be an early adopter.
www.pcworld.com www.pcworld.com

www.fudzilla.com

Microsoft and AMD get all excited about AI

AI on chips Software King of the World Microsoft is excited about AI and thinks AMD's new AI engine could help its cunning plans. Vole's Panos Panay Panay is looking to use AMD's AI to help Microsoft usher in the next generation of AI-powered software. "AI is the defining technology...
www.fudzilla.com www.fudzilla.com
 
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Tarin02543

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For some reason my Steam client does not feel at ease in 11, crashes and all sorts of random errors all the way through.
 
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Kazekage1981 said:
Windows 11 File Explorer Overhaul-WinCentral Article
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it looks like an internet browser now... i don't like how they replaced the quick start menu with something else entirely, i don't use office 365 as windows is a gaming OS to me.
They didn't touch the left navigation which is the thing i use most in file explorer though, so i'm fine with that

Does 'modern' search box mean they'll be using a search system similar to everything or run? (latter of which is a windows powertoy so the chance of it being added to Windows is huge) if so that's a major improvement as windows search in its current state is one of the worst ive ever had the displeasure of using. Having an updated search code based off of Run would make the file explorer so much better to me imo
 
Rayderism

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Upgraded to Win11 yesterday. Took longer to download the update than it did for the upgrade to install. Like 45 minutes to download, and less than 10 minutes to install. Seems fine so far. As for the UI changes.....meh, whatever. As long as it still runs all my legacy console emulators, I don't really care. At least now, it will quit hassling me to upgrade.
 
ZoukGalaxy

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Silver Wattle said:

Intel and AMD are building AI into PCs. It doesn't matter yet—but it will

Innovations by AMD and Intel point to a future where AI will become commonplace in PCs. But you don't have to be an early adopter.
www.pcworld.com www.pcworld.com

www.fudzilla.com

Microsoft and AMD get all excited about AI

AI on chips Software King of the World Microsoft is excited about AI and thinks AMD's new AI engine could help its cunning plans. Vole's Panos Panay Panay is looking to use AMD's AI to help Microsoft usher in the next generation of AI-powered software. "AI is the defining technology...
www.fudzilla.com www.fudzilla.com
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"Hello *[User_666]*, I saw on your face you enjoyed a lot watching *[anime porn]*, so I shared the video with all your contacts ! What else can I do for you today ?"

aging crazy eyes GIF by Jacqueline Jing Lin
 
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Valonquar

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You will no longer be able to buy Windows 10 after Jan 31st. Windows 11 keys will still work with a 10 install though at least for now, just like 10 keys work with 11 installs.
This week my Windows Update has gotten a bit more pushy about my PC being ready to upgrade from 10 to 11, even though I've told it I didn't want it several times already. Now anytime I reboot my PC and revisit Settings > Windows Update, it re-advertises the upgrade to 11 as available until dismissed.
My biggest gripes with 11 are still:
The MS Teams integration requiring TWO FUCKING COPIES of teams. The integrated "personal" copy will refuse to login to enterprise accounts, so you have to install the standalone desktop app separately, which creates confusion over which app you actually need to use at a given time.
The Start Menu did at least re-add the ability to group icons together, but last time I checked (albeit a while back) removing the suggested\recommended section of the start menu still left you with a huge empty\unsable area with the text "Recommendations have been turned off, turn them on here." which is beyond stupid.
Like 7, 8 and 10 before it, MS still insists on included a ton of extreaneous bullshit apps and services in the Enterprise SKU that we have to manually remove with DISM if we want to clean things up, and even then there's stuff you can't remove, or removing breaks something you wouldn't expect.
 
diffusionx

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Rayderism said:
Upgraded to Win11 yesterday. Took longer to download the update than it did for the upgrade to install. Like 45 minutes to download, and less than 10 minutes to install. Seems fine so far. As for the UI changes.....meh, whatever. As long as it still runs all my legacy console emulators, I don't really care. At least now, it will quit hassling me to upgrade.
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It really is nothing special. All I did was move the start menu to where it belonged. I like the UI changes, it feels like a more polished OS, but it’s the same sort of update as an iOS one these days. Actually better because lately they have come out buggy and unrefined.
 
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diffusionx said:
It really is nothing special.
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I remember for the first time a couple months ago i installed it out of curiosity, to see how 'horrible' it would be... a couple days later I was like "THIS is the OS that people were getting angry at MS about???"

I have yet to see a convincing argument for why the new start menu is bad beyond "it looks like a smart phone"
 
JLB

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cinnamonandgravy said:
man, new versions of windows used to be exciting.

at this point, the only reason to "upgrade" is if the CPU requires it (lame) or it's the only way to get the latest DirectX (also lame).
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Actually I think less exciting new releases is a good thing.
It means that its boring, stable and mature. All things I want from an OS.
 
A.Romero

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I got a new laptop from work back in October and it came with Windows 11. I've been working from home for the last 3 years now so I've been using my desktop, it's just more comfortable. Just set up the basics on the laptop and put it away.

Almost a month ago I built a new desktop PC and decided it was time for a fresh Windows install as the last one was running for like 5 years and it was installed in an older Samsung 250 GB SSD. I have to say that Microsoft really got the multidevice stuff down now, the OneDrive native integration really made stuff easier so I can have access to my personal, work and school files from any device I may need to.

One thing that didn't come out perfectly was that I installed Windows with the previous SSD still plugged in so it caught that Windows Boot Manager and it's kind of annoying that whenever I turn on the computer there is a screen that asks me to select if I want to boot Windows 10 or 11. It only lasts a second and it defaults to Windows 11 so it's not that bothersome. I have yet to try unplugging the SSD and see if it builds a boot manager automatically for the new drive with the new windows install.

Good things regarding Windows 11:
- Setting it up was pretty quick
- Don't mind the UI changes but I also don't care about the widgets. I do like the new start button and the ability to easily pin apps to it.
- Like the desktops stuff. I know it was an option before but now it's right next to the start button

Things I don't like so much about Windows 11:
- They streamlined some stuff at the cost of control. For example I work with 2 monitors but I also have my TV room's TV connected. I used to be able to disconnect monitors manually to avoid having to mess with windows when on the TV. Now it's possible but not so clear
- Sound options are a bit more hidden. I used to be able to right click on the speaker icon and select Atmos audio when playing on the TV. Now I have to rely on auto detect. I has worked every time but I feel some time it won't and it will be a pain
- Pre-installed Teams and work Teams shenanigans. Took me a bit to see the difference.
- Couldn't change my documents folder to a different drive for some reason

I might be biased because I don't have issues working with Windows like a lot of people seem to have. It's a pretty nice OS for my use case.
 
Krathoon

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One thing annoys me about Win11. When you right click, it does not show all your options on a file. It hides some of them and you have to make another click to show them all.

It is really annoying and stupid.
 
Fake

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Krathoon said:
One thing annoys me about Win11. When you right click, it does not show all your options on a file. It hides some of them and you have to make another click to show them all.

It is really annoying and stupid.
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Because they mix new UI with old kernel and become this mess. Thats why since Windows 8 they can get rid of Control Panel.
 
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