Topher
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That's fine, but Microsoft isn't going anywhere regardless of whether you love them or those who "kept them relevant".
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Would MS ever leave gaming?
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That's fine, but Microsoft isn't going anywhere regardless of whether you love them or those who "kept them relevant".
Mr.ODST
Member
SO how come your not arguing the shitty things Nintendo and Playstation have also done?
Xbox Live USED to be worth it back then for an extensive online system for its time for console
ReBurn
Gold Member
Sorry that not liking Microsoft prevents you from enjoying games on things that aren't Microsoft things. It must be difficult to not think about Microsoft when playing games on your preferred medium knowing that the game you're playing would be better if Microsoft were not making different games that you aren't playing.
Zathalus
Member
I hope everyone claiming MS should or wants to leave the console hardware business realizes that it is by far the biggest revenue stream for them. That 30% cut of games and microtransaction makes up the far majority of Xbox income. Streaming and the PC store is not going to be nearly enough to plug that gap. Maybe streaming in the distant future, but certainly not in the next 15+ years at least.
Stating that Microsoft end goal is to leave the console market behind is foolishness.
Stating that Microsoft end goal is to leave the console market behind is foolishness.
Probably as long as people are respectful to me.
Kilau
Member
Respectful, like calling people retarded for buying a console?
Oh no, I still enjoy those. What I don't get to enjoy anymore are games that would be available on things that aren't Microsoft things but are now only on Microsoft things.
I'm not mad that I don't get to play Forza on playstation. I'm mad that I'm no longer allowed to play Hellblade 2 on it though.
Ansphn
Member
It actually makes 100% sense. The Xbox brand has been bleeding Microsoft money for decades. It's always been a small base that don't spend much money unlike Nintendo and PlayStation base. Microsoft wants to buy up publishers non-stop and if they were 3rd party, the buying wouldn't be a problem. Microsoft will finally become 3rd party and actually start to make money from their gaming division from Nintendo base, Playstation base, PC base, Mobile base, Cloud base, etc and none of these companies would have a problem with it. Just look at Tencent, they made more money than any company in gaming and they don't have a console. They buy up publishers and studios world wide and nobody cares.
Shouldn't have called me a complete moron for putting 2+2 together first then. You missed that one mate?
Chukhopops
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- calls others « absolute retards who should be prohibited to reproduce »
- asks for respect
- ???
Kilau
Member
One person called you a moron then you labeled everyone that buys an Xbox retarded and shouldn’t be allowed to have children.
Not the same. Anyway, this troll account will be nuked shortly. Post this garbage on your main account next time, coward.
Ansphn
Member
Yes by the end of this gen
Zathalus
Member
"small base that don't spend much money"
Xbox has a higher revenue then Nintendo. Should Nintendo throw in the towel as well?
Ansphn
Member
Proof?
I did complain about the price increase on playstation games, but they weren't the first ones to increase it.
I did complain about Sony charging for online play starting on the ps4, but they weren't the first ones to charge for it.
Xbox live was never worth it. Ever. You had free online in pc gaming for ages. Nothing MS did warranted the paywall. Nothing.
Zathalus
Member
Nintendo 8th Place In "Top 10" Game Revenues For 2021
Tencent takes out the top spot
www.nintendolife.com
It's not exactly a secret, Nintendo dominates on console sales and pure profit, revenue they fall behind.
Profit for them is easy as compared to Microsoft and Sony that have a far smaller expenditure on hardware, infrastructure, and game development.
It's crazy how people assume Xbox is somehow small or struggling. Playstation dominates, but Xbox is hardly tiny in comparison.
ReBurn
Gold Member
But you can enjoy Hellblade 2. You don't even need an Xbox because it will be on PC via Steam. Sorry about your PlayStation, though. If it makes you feel better you'll be able to play Final Fantasy XVI there without worrying about Xbox taint.
Yeah that second line was too much, but the first one was needed for my point and I stand by it.
Also this is my main account. The fact that I don't mince my words should tell you I'm not a coward but alas... you bought a xbox.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
This may sound crazy now, but hear me out.
I think MS end game is to come out of the console business and focus on gamepass + being a third-party publisher. And I believe they will have a version of gamepass specifically for the PS platform that offers a rental service along with making their games available to purchase on the PS5/6/7...etc. And a cloud-only bed version for Nintendo. The PlayStation version could be called something like GP lite/access and have a $4.99/month price while only offering games published by MS.
I also believe this is why a game like COD is important to MS. For gamepass to really become ait needs to be, you need a game that ensures people are paying for it every month. Or at least a few games, eg. COD, Overwatch...etc. Or not what you are left with is the majority of gamers only paying for like 2-3 months in a year and just paying whatever is new for that year on the service.
For MS, having a sub-service that is 50-100M users strong with an average annual spend of $100/year... has more value than anything Xbox hardware can likely ever do for them.
I think MS end game is to come out of the console business and focus on gamepass + being a third-party publisher. And I believe they will have a version of gamepass specifically for the PS platform that offers a rental service along with making their games available to purchase on the PS5/6/7...etc. And a cloud-only bed version for Nintendo. The PlayStation version could be called something like GP lite/access and have a $4.99/month price while only offering games published by MS.
I also believe this is why a game like COD is important to MS. For gamepass to really become ait needs to be, you need a game that ensures people are paying for it every month. Or at least a few games, eg. COD, Overwatch...etc. Or not what you are left with is the majority of gamers only paying for like 2-3 months in a year and just paying whatever is new for that year on the service.
For MS, having a sub-service that is 50-100M users strong with an average annual spend of $100/year... has more value than anything Xbox hardware can likely ever do for them.
Kilau
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Topher
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Ansphn
Member
Do you know what revenue mean?Nintendo 8th Place In "Top 10" Game Revenues For 2021
Tencent takes out the top spot
It's not exactly a secret, Nintendo dominates on console sales and pure profit, revenue they fall behind.
Profit for them is easy as compared to Microsoft and Sony that have a far smaller expenditure on hardware, infrastructure, and game development.
It's crazy how people assume Xbox is somehow small or struggling. Playstation dominates, but Xbox is hardly tiny in comparison.
“Amazon is the market leader in Cloud services with AWS and I don’t see that changing so I foresee Microsoft and Google dropping Azure and Google Cloud and just selling their stuff on AWS”
See how weird that sounds?
Companies stay in businesses to make money. And that’s not necessarily the same thing as being the market leader.
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Brigandier
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Yes it's speculation like I said it's my opinion what will happen in the future, Hence the point of the thread lol....
Zathalus
Member
Yeah, total income. Nintendo is behind Microsoft on this front, but they likely have higher operating profit compared to just the Xbox division.
Ansphn
Member
Revenue include "expenses". Xbox spends to get games into Gamepass. Nintendo's "Profit" make Xbox's revenue look like a joke. And Nintendo have been getting pure "Profit since the Switch was released. We're talking older cheaper tech in the Switch selling like hot cakes.
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Topher
Gold Member
No it doesn't. Revenue is income generated from sales before any costs or expenses are subtracted.
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Ansphn
Member
Yes it does, dude
Revenue vs. Profit: An Overview
Revenue is the total amount of income generated by the sale of goods or services related to the company's primary operations. Profit, which is typically called net profit or the bottom line, is the amount of income that remains after accounting for all expenses, debts, additional income streams, and operating costs.
Key Takeaways
- Revenue is the total amount of income generated by the sale of goods or services related to the company's primary operations.
- Revenue, also known simply as "sales", does not deduct any costs or expenses associated with operating the business.
- Profit is the amount of income that remains after accounting for all expenses, debts, additional income streams, and operating costs.
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Revenue vs. Profit: What's the Difference?
Revenue is the total amount of income generated by a company. Profit is the bottom line or net income after accounting for all expenses, debts, and operating costs.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Any day now.
Topher
Gold Member
Yes it does, dude
Revenue vs. Profit: An Overview
Revenue is the total amount of income generated by the sale of goods or services related to the company's primary operations. Profit, which is typically called net profit or the bottom line, is the amount of income that remains after accounting for all expenses, debts, additional income streams, and operating costs.
Key Takeaways
- Revenue is the total amount of income generated by the sale of goods or services related to the company's primary operations.
- Revenue, also known simply as "sales", does not deduct any costs or expenses associated with operating the business.
- Profit is the amount of income that remains after accounting for all expenses, debts, additional income streams, and operating costs.
Revenue vs. Profit: What's the Difference?
Revenue is the total amount of income generated by a company. Profit is the bottom line or net income after accounting for all expenses, debts, and operating costs.www.investopedia.com
No, it does not. Read this again. Total revenue does not account for expenses at all.
- Revenue, also known simply as "sales", does NOT deduct any costs or expenses associated with operating the business.
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Captain Toad
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Ok. When can I claim you are wrong?
SteelCurtain 59
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The gaming industry has gotten bigger and Microsoft has shown massively more commitment than they ever have. Anything is possible but it seems incredibly unlikely, especially if/when the Activision acquisition gets approved
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
Eventually, probably. Will it happen in the next 7-8 years? Unlikely.
Topher
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Out of all the big three platform holders, they're the most likely to drop their console hardware.
But XBL subs and console platform royalties are significant enough for them to not want to leave that free money on the table.
But XBL subs and console platform royalties are significant enough for them to not want to leave that free money on the table.
Seems he is right.
^ What's funny is some people actually believe this for real lol!
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
That was quite the meltdown.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Way too arrogant, so no
DarkMage619
$MSFT
I'm curious for the people claiming MS plans to drop Xbox where will the majority of the Game pass subs they'll need come from? Sony and Nintendo have expressed no interest in taking the service so those platforms can't be relied on. They don't have to provide a license for Xbox games at all. Cloud is currently only available on Game pass so without Game pass cloud dies off too. Of course it also wastes all the time and effort they put into their backwards compatibility program as well and screws everyone who bought an Xbox. And this is supposed to make MORE sense and money than them keeping a hardware platform that uses their Windows API Direct X and provides them additional 3rd party license revenue?
I'm curious for the people claiming MS plans to drop Xbox where will the majority of the Game pass subs they'll need come from? Sony and Nintendo have expressed no interest in taking the service so those platforms can't be relied on. They don't have to provide a license for Xbox games at all. Cloud is currently only available on Game pass so without Game pass cloud dies off too. Of course it also wastes all the time and effort they put into their backwards compatibility program as well and screws everyone who bought an Xbox. And this is supposed to make MORE sense and money than them keeping a hardware platform that uses their Windows API Direct X and provides them additional 3rd party license revenue?
MS wont drop Xbox obviously. Most saying that are just trolls who wish it would happen lol. See the comment above you for example.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I don't think MS wants completely out of the hardware business but I do think they want to be less reliant on it for their gaming business. Console lifespans are getting longer and longer and if you don't get that early momentum and mindshare you have almost a decade of scraping by waiting for your next super expensive launch where you roll the dice again. Compare that to something like Steam and you can see why the service model appeals to them.
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
They are already less reliant on consoles. That is why the put their games on PC day and date and why you can stream new titles on old Xbox consoles as long as you have Game pass. Still consoles are an important part of their overall strategy even it is isn't their sole source of revenue like other platforms.
kvltus lvlzvs
Banned
No, absolutely not, never.
As a matter of fact, I reckon they are aiming to be the sole provider eventually. They would be happy with a 100% market share control, just like Sony would.
As a matter of fact, I reckon they are aiming to be the sole provider eventually. They would be happy with a 100% market share control, just like Sony would.
diffusionx
Gold Member
The question is not just revenue, but if the juice is worth the squeeze. Are those resources MS is spending on Xbox hardware better off elsewhere? Shareholders have griped about MS spending a ton of money on videogame console business in the past. Even Bill Gates was dubious, and the premise for which he greenlighted it is totally irrelevant and outdated at this point. Xbox console is a bad fit for the company, always was, as they are a software company first and foremost. Even as they have transitioned to services under Nadella, it's an arguably worse fit, as they have become more focused on corporate/infrastructure/enterprise than customer-facing. Even if MS feels they should be in gaming, which is fine, the question is are they better off making and marketing this hardware box when they can just play to their typical strengths and release software and build out services? I feel like it's a reasonable question, and I also personally feel MS would be very successful focusing on PC and being a third party dev across all platforms.
gamerant.com
The Story Behind Bill Gates and the Xbox
Xbox co-creator Ed Fries explains in an interview how Microsoft founder Bill Gates nearly shut down the original Xbox project entirely due to it not using Windows.
gamerant.com
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jhjfss
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The Stig
Member
my bad. mixed you up with somebody elseI love MS. Get out of town with this crud.
LavitzSlambert
Member
They would absolutely leave if the industry became less lucrative. I don’t see that happening, but I could imagine they might spin off Xbox into its own company at some point so they can focus on software and cloud services.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Bill Gates is no longer with the company. If the narrative is Xbox has no games or bad games why would dropping their hardware and going 3rd party be beneficial? Why would Sony and Nintendo accept Game pass? Why would MS choose to be beholden to smaller companies to provide a platform for their software? Xbox is also another vector for their Direct X API. There is no logical reason for MS to turn to Sony and Nintendo to distribute their software when they already own a hardware platform to do so and make additional money off of third party licenses.The question is not just revenue, but if the juice is worth the squeeze. Are those resources MS is spending on Xbox hardware better off elsewhere? Shareholders have griped about MS spending a ton of money on videogame console business in the past. Even Bill Gates was dubious, and the premise for which he greenlighted it is totally irrelevant and outdated at this point. Xbox console is a bad fit for the company, always was, as they are a software company first and foremost. Even as they have transitioned to services under Nadella, it's an arguably worse fit, as they have become more focused on corporate/infrastructure/enterprise than customer-facing. Even if MS feels they should be in gaming, which is fine, the question is are they better off making and marketing this hardware box when they can just play to their typical strengths and release software and build out services? I feel like it's a reasonable question, and I also personally feel MS would be very successful focusing on PC and being a third party dev across all platforms.
The Story Behind Bill Gates and the Xbox
Xbox co-creator Ed Fries explains in an interview how Microsoft founder Bill Gates nearly shut down the original Xbox project entirely due to it not using Windows.
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