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Xbox held an internal town hall on Tuesday where Spencer said they don’t plan to stop making consoles
Dr. Wilkinson
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Not for nothing, but I would buy the shit out an Xbox handheld that could play all of my Xbox OG, 360, One and Series X games
Killjoy-NL
Member
"Some statements and facts"Of course, of course it is a logical conclusion..... it is because it only pays attention to some statements and facts while ignoring a whole multitude of others that indicate the opposite....
The most obvious ones showing how screwed Xbox is rn, but okay, let's just ignore that.
Well, they are gambling on GP and GP is quite clearly dependant on how much HW is sold.
The ABK acquisition is just a part of the problem as a whole.And yes, you have made a summary and I can make you a longer one with facts and indications that indicate that MS can be planning to continue launching hardware...
- MS continues to oppose accepting the obligation to make ABK games multiplatform on consoles beyond COD. From yesterday you have his response to the FTC. If MS had already decided that tthey were not going to launch more consoles..... Explain to me the reason why MS continue to put the acquisition of ABK in danger and the possibility of new acquisitions in many difficulties
-By now Sony should already know MS's plans and know what games are released on PS5.... And yet there you have Sony legally supporting the FTC ( in the aspect of the possibility of affecting competition in the console market ) so that MS does not acquire ABK and that is still despite the agreement COD for 10 years.
No idea why you are so hung up on that single aspect?
I've acknowledged the possibility of MS releasing new consoles.-You have confirmation of the leaked documents of the hardware roadmap and you have P. Spencer officially saying less than 1 month ago that they are developing new hardware and that they have a decided roadmap. Is it those parts where P. Spencer lies?
But I've also said that it would be extremely dumb, because then they would double-down on this road leading to the end.
Afaik, she's head of hardware and software.- You have to say that MS has appointed Sarah Bond as head of hardware supposedly as the main competition 1 month ago....... You have to understand that they gave her an empty or residual position or that they are directly making fun of her because there is no plans to launch new hardware??
That doesn't mean what you imply in any way.
Also, she and Spencer reportedly have very different views and there seems to be an internal struggle, where Sarah Bond wants to make a drastic change with backing from MS higher-ups.
Answered this above.
Oh, I've already said in that thread about 2 hardware products (high end console + handheld) that I'm willing to believe MS will be dumb enough to release those two.
If MS releases select games on PlayStation, those consoles/handhelds are going to perform worse than Series is doing rn.
Again, ABK is just a part of the problem for Xbox.I invite you to take a look at the ABK acquisition thread and then compare..... I assure you that you will have a lot of laughs when you see the 180° turn of many of those who now tell you to think about the possibility of MS launching new hardware is having no judgment...
Topher
Gold Member
XXL
Member
Anyone who thinks that (after the rumors started) they scheduled a "business update event to discuss the future of Xbox" all while not addressing anything being said to tell us that Hifi Rush is coming to PS5 is honestly a fucking idiot.
We don't even know anything about when the event is taking place or even what format it is going to be and neither do the mainstream gaming outlets.
I have to no clue if Xbox hardware will be discontinued, but something big is on the horizon.
And it's honestly strange people are listening to so many different insiders and worrying about their credibility, when we have one leaker who has been right (like 100% correct) about everything he has said leading up to all this and hasn't resurfaced to chase clout.
This is from before the last Xbox Event.
THIS IS THE MOST CREDIBLE LEAKER SO FAR, BY A WIDE MARGIN.
Part of me is starting to wonder if Xbox was silent all week so they when they announce a bunch of shit some of their fans are not going to like.....they'll scurry back to their respective forums and act like nothing fucking happened.
We don't even know anything about when the event is taking place or even what format it is going to be and neither do the mainstream gaming outlets.
I have to no clue if Xbox hardware will be discontinued, but something big is on the horizon.
And it's honestly strange people are listening to so many different insiders and worrying about their credibility, when we have one leaker who has been right (like 100% correct) about everything he has said leading up to all this and hasn't resurfaced to chase clout.
This is from before the last Xbox Event.
THIS IS THE MOST CREDIBLE LEAKER SO FAR, BY A WIDE MARGIN.
Part of me is starting to wonder if Xbox was silent all week so they when they announce a bunch of shit some of their fans are not going to like.....they'll scurry back to their respective forums and act like nothing fucking happened.
Dick Jones
Gold Member
PC Day and Date and Gamepass cratered software sales on Xbox and damaged growth. Any Xbox games being released now will be asked is that on Playstation at pre release stage whether it will stay exclusive or not. Owning an Xbox going forward is pointless for new potential customers if you own a PS or PC. Xbox needed to remove day and date on PC for 6 months delay at the start of the Series lifecycle. Xbox as a platform option is as meaningful as an Ouya for new consumers. A decade of poor leadership would do that to a platform.
If you want a Next Xbox you need to have some features/games that can't be bought anywhere else. You have to differentiate from the competition
If you want a Next Xbox you need to have some features/games that can't be bought anywhere else. You have to differentiate from the competition
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Topher
Gold Member
It took Microsoft lawyers less than two days to submit a detailed response to the FTC's complaint over MS layoffs. You are reaching.
Mibu no ookami
Member
Sega ran out of money, because the Dreamcast wasn't selling and too many that did buy were pirating the games instead of buying them. The similarity with Microsoft though here and the most important one is that the Xbox Series just isn't selling. They sell these units at a loss in the first place and people aren't buying games because Microsoft has conditioned them not to.
The idea that Xbox has more money than Sega is misleading. We have no idea the financials of Xbox because Xbox is not a public company and Microsoft doesn't report on the financial health of Xbox.
The 360 didn't actually sell 85 million units. It re-sold many units to people who already had one but their warranty expired. If you look at Europe and North America, both started declining around the same time, but North America started to increase in sales while Europe didn't pretty randomly. It turns out this is the same time red ring of death started happening. Europe had longer warranty coverage so people didn't have to buy a new system. US and Canada not so much. The 360 had a 50% failure rate. The real number of sold units not including replacements was probably around 55-65 million.
More evidence of this is the software tie in ratio. The 360 sold 630 million units of software. The PS3 sold 748 million units. If the 360 was truly at 85 million, this number would have been much closer. This is a lower attach rate than the Wii U. If we had a breakdown of european software to north american software, we'd probably get a much clearer picture.
Edit: The 360 was out for a year longer than the PS3 as well. It means the Xbox 360 averaged 78 million copies of software a year. While the PS3 averaged 106 million copies a year. There is absolutely no way that their total number of users was the same or really even close.
As for Nintendo they've always been profitable because they don't sell their products for a loss. They were never going to out of business. Nintendo has always been more valuable as a company with more cash on hand than PlayStation.
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Mibu no ookami
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They couldn't get rid of PC day and date because games don't sell enough on Xbox and they can't afford the budgets with only the Xbox userbase. You could argue chicken and the egg, but they weren't PC day and date on X1 and it was still a problem.
The reason they couldn't make games like TLOU is because they couldn't really afford to do that across studios and it's why they also farmed out most of their software development to companies like Epic and why they published Sunset Overdrive from Insomniac.
Delaying things on GamePass ruins the value proposition of GamePass which would mean less people signing up and less people staying with it, which would also impact the desirability of Xbox. Another catch 22 type of situation.
I think the bigger problem was releasing PC GamePass too early in the product's life. It should have been exclusive to Xbox so you could sell Xboxes, but again the problem is the operating cost of the program and the limited growth potential of the xbox userbase.
Sony has the right idea: Always put PlayStation first. Even if it's a game like TLOU2 Remastered. Still comes out first on PS5 rather than day and date on PC, even though everyone with PS5 could have already played TLOU2 PS4 version enhanced on PS5.
PSVR2? Only on PS5 right now.
PS Streaming? Not on PC yet.
Spider-Man 2 and God of War Ragnarok? Not on PC yet.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Sony is also has a pretty strong feature differentiation form PC. Want full wireless DualSense support in every game, robust 3D audio, flawsless HDR and full brand-accessories support? PS5 is a nice place to be.
Meanwhile Xbox is just, well, a less expensive PC.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
im sure for some would look like that.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
i don't think that's is a good tradeoff. pretty bad negotiation if you ask me.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
i mean....c'mon.... it's almost like 100% happening.
intheinbetween
Member
Pretty much this, though sometimes a Town Hall meeting can be held for the whole company.
Just think about a town hall as a meeting whose attendees can be either a Business Unit or the whole company
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I hope is true. the backlash will be apotheosic
Topher
Gold Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Topher
Gold Member
mayham2199
Member
I don’t think they buy anything that isn’t guaranteed to start brining in money from day 1 like activision did. Embrace is a gamble.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
This!Anyone who thinks that (after the rumors started) they scheduled a "business update event to discuss the future of Xbox" all while not addressing anything being said to tell us that Hifi Rush is coming to PS5 is honestly a fucking idiot.
We don't even know anything about when the event is taking place or even what format it is going to be and neither do the mainstream gaming outlets.
I have to no clue if Xbox hardware will be discontinued, but something big is on the horizon.
And it's honestly strange people are listening to so many different insiders and worrying about their credibility, when we have one leaker who has been right (like 100% correct) about everything he has said leading up to all this and hasn't resurfaced to chase clout.
This is from before the last Xbox Event.
THIS IS THE MOST CREDIBLE LEAKER SO FAR, BY A WIDE MARGIN.
Part of me is starting to wonder if Xbox was silent all week so they when they announce a bunch of shit some of their fans are not going to like.....they'll scurry back to their respective forums and act like nothing fucking happened.
I don’t know what D Darsxx82 and
Negotiator101
think the rumour is, this is the ONLY credible one.Flash Junkins
Member
So many sony ponies. You will be disappointed when they don't do anything you think they are.
Come on dudes. Get a life outside of games.
Come on dudes. Get a life outside of games.
They are all credible and at the same time none is credible. In some of them there can be some truth and in some of them there can be lies..... As easy as waiting until next week and then there will be certainties.This!
I don’t know what D Darsxx82 and
Right now, betting on the most credible one is rather betting the one that you wish were right.
PS.If in the end that source was the real one... at least it will be interesting to discuss the strategy and philosophy of Xbox 3rd party OEM consoles and above all what these consist of, specs and which companies will be in charge
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
why sony ponies?
bitbydeath
Gold Member
80-90% of it has already come true, expecting the rest to be wrong is wishful thinking.They are all credible and at the same time none is credible. In some of them there can be some truth and in some of them there can be lies..... As easy as waiting until next week and then there will be certainties.
Right now, betting on the most credible one is rather betting the one that you wish were right.
PS.If in the end that source was the real one... at least it will be interesting to discuss the strategy and philosophy of Xbox 3rd party OEM consoles and above all what these consist of, specs and which companies will be in charge
Well OK, then I don't know how long it takes you to open a thread and declare what is already a 100% reality according to you
PS. I don't know, it just gives me the feeling that it bothers you that there are people who remain skeptical in this whole circus and prefer to wait to know what is real or not ??
MikeM
Member
Starts comment with insult. Ends comment with insult. Why?
I just hope they stay in the hardware game and try to make their box the best place to play their games. Everyone will win as competition minimizes complacency.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
You just seem in denial and confused about the rumours, you’re welcome!Well OK, then I don't know how long it takes you to open a thread and declare what is already a 100% reality according to you
PS. I don't know, it just gives me the feeling that it bothers you that there are people who remain skeptical in this whole circus and prefer to wait to know what is real or not ??
Shin-Ra
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Topher
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pixelation
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Yeah yeah... But who's gonna buy one when you can just get a PlayStation and play Sony and Microsoft games on it?
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
AKA regulators actually doing their jobs, nice to see how you paint that but not unexpected since you tend to be very pro big American Corp vs regulation…
Shakka43
Member
Sony ponies are not the ones burning their Xbox's and acting like they just lost WW3 because some games might not remain exclusive to their favorite console...
PhillMeCream
Member
If Microsoft wanted to sell consoles, they should tell people that the only way to play Elder Scrolls is on an Xbox first. They need to stop buying game studios unless they intend to make them exclusive studios just for Xbox
sendit
Member
Have both terms where I work. All Hands usually encompasses the entire company. Town hall meetings are smaller in scale, at the organization level.Basically All Hands Meeting. But doesn’t Town Hall sound more cozy?
HeisenbergFX4
Member
what i expected Xbox internal town hall gonna be :
what i expected from Neogaf reception on Tuesday gonna be :
what ever decision it will be, both side gonna be like :
This week event-
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100% just having fun
Nintendo is historically the most profitable console manufacturer ever.
In fact most often than not Nintendo outprofitted the PlayStation division.
Nintendo have had its fair share of ups and downs but were in general always profitable since entering the console business bar three years (in the mid of the WiiU/3DS era).
Also Nintendo's profitability didn't plummet going from the SNES days to the GC days, it followed the usual generational (gaussian) curve while maintaining roughly at the same level.
Calling N64 a "commercial failure" is also flat out wrong.
Yes, it sold less hardware and software than PS1 and SNES that precedeed it but that doesn't make it a "commercial failure".
What if I tell you the numbers shows that N64 sold more first party-software than SNES? (first-party software has higher profit margins than third-party software)
Nintendo is often likened to Sega of old because both were pure game companies unlike mega corporations like Sony and Microsoft and both followed a first-party driven model for their game platforms as was common for early consoles (late '70s to mid '90s).
But the similarities stops there, Nintendo was always a much stronger and smarter company than Sega.
Proof is Sega ceased manufacturing consoles more than two decades ago whereas Nintendo in recent times has released the most popular console worldwide.
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Alan Wake
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And on top of that there was always the Series S for 299 which we know scared Sony a bit. It was meant as a cheap next gen ticket but it has not helped. Not enough at least.
Unknown?
Member
Open? When has MS ever made an open OS? It's always proprietary junk.
WitchHunter
Banned
Brainwash culture. You enter a new town when you come to this company. This is your home, we are your family. Just work your ass off, slave.
