ChorizoPicozo
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Just like what they did when they (square Soft) was making great FF games.
Even FFXII achieved a sense of scale/ a living breathing world.
Not that sterile depictions on FF13-15.
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Yoshi-P: Final Fantasy 16 will flex the PlayStation 5's power, No Loading Screens
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Even FFXII achieved a sense of scale/ a living breathing world.
Not that sterile depictions on FF13-15.
nocsi
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Holy shit, final fantasy in a biome that looks like the pacific north west
Physiognomonics
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The loadings will be done during the gameplay. You won't even know there are loadings. This has being done in a few others PS5 games already in some capacity: Ratchet, Returnal and Demon's souls.
Danjin44
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How can anyone look at this and say its "ugly"?
FalsettoVibe
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vpance
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Hugare
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You guys arent understanding what I'm trying to say (FF XII had loading times between each area, btw)
How are they gonna design this thing?
We will have an instant transition to an airship like in R&C Rift Apart? 'Cause each kingdom is probably far from one another.
They cant just make caves, mountains and etc. that you'll have to traverse because the sense of scale would be diminished.
2 kingdoms separated by a cave? A mountain? A waterfall? To make it justice with no loadings, only by making it open world or teletransportation (God of War bifrost, Demons Souls archstones and etc,)
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Klosshufvud
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In what way? This combat is fairly unique to Japanese games. Or do you mean graphics?Took 20 years but Japan finally caught back up to the west
ChorizoPicozo
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I understand. The thing I am trying to communicate is (as you are asking below) the design if these "transitions".
I dont know if the engine they are using would be able to do a "traditional" airship travel around the world
But at instant transition a "real time cutscene" is an acceptable way of doing it.
Not necessarily, if they are well designed.
I dont think this game is an "open world".
The point is: no fade to blacks or a splash screens
Those thigs kill the immersion.
Captain Toad
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Agreed!
Barakov
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Pretty bold claim but I think they can do it.
Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/8989...he-playstation-5s-power-yoshi-says/index.html
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Nice to see Final Fantasy back to being that powerhouse franchise that shows off the power of a new Playstation console again. We kind of lost that the last two generations
OsirisBlack
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I have no idea
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More I see of this, the better it looks. IMO, it’s the favorite for Game of the Year next year.
Happy they are focusing on PS5 only. Multiplat games have tended to come out buggier and I’d rather the devs focus on optimizing the game for the main platform rather than wasting effort trying to make so many other versions.
Happy they are focusing on PS5 only. Multiplat games have tended to come out buggier and I’d rather the devs focus on optimizing the game for the main platform rather than wasting effort trying to make so many other versions.
vpance
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Yeah the graphics I mean. It's been a long time that I can remember a big JPN game that looks properly next gen and up to par for the times.
Go_Ly_Dow
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FFXV, FFVIIR, Resi 2, Resi 3, Resi 8, Tales of Arise, Bloodborne all look fantastic from last gen to name a few.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Playable from start to finish doesn't mean the game is anywhere near gold.
The upcoming Dragon Age Dread Wolf is also playable from start to finish, for reference.
pleaseinsertdisctwo
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No they’re not lol. FFVII Remake had them. Rebirth will have them. Crisis Core Reunion had new CG summons. Call of Duty games still have CG cutscenes (the one released a month or two ago has 20+ mins’ worth). The new Gungrave game had some. One Piece Odyssey has them and it’s coming out next month. Diablo IV and all Blizzard games will have them. I could go on with upcoming games, and games released in the last few years if you’d like?
The “breaks immersion” is an opinion that I don’t agree with AT ALL.
Lastly, it’s confirmed that Square Enix’s internal CGI studio (or, as an interview put it, the “Kingsglaive team”) is involved with this game, and an interview did state that they’re working on the character models back in June, but until I see proof, I’m just going to think they’re involved with the background parts of pre-rendered scenes, which would be a mistake IMO. The game is not that pretty.
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OsirisBlack
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So this is supposed to be actual gameplay and not just a qte….if this is true then I’m actually impressed.
OsirisBlack
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You’ve been on this for a while, if you really think Yoshidas team is going to release a mainline Final Fantasy game with no CG when they have an amazing CG trailer for every single expansion they do for FFXIV then you’re just not paying attention.
You’re absolutely right the game is not that pretty. It’s beautiful.
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pleaseinsertdisctwo
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People like you will claim that things like pop-in, clipping, poor textures, flat lighting, poor animations, etc. don’t break immersion, but apparently cutscenes that are like a brief glimpse of the game with an unlimited budget, do. I mean, different strokes for different folks. But for me, CG cutscenes are the best way to immerse me into a game’s world/characters/etc.
And it would’ve had more if the game wasn’t being rewritten over and over again + if it didn’t have Kingsglaive. Even after Nomura was removed, trailers showed CG cutscenes of Altissia, along with Cor and the bros talking near the Regalia in Duscae, indicating removal due to story changes.
I’m expecting nothing more than an opening and maybe an ending for XVI simply because it’s the MMO team + the director of The Last Remnant. BD1 will continue sprinkling them throughout their games.
vpance
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Thought about those. Good examples, but short of being exceptional IMO. Never mind that some had glaring technical issues. FFVIIR looked nice in many ways but it was still very old school with the linear cramped levels, and who could forget the inconsistent texture work and modeling.
FFXVI if it doesn't disappoint should be considered a notable achievement especially since it's on their own engine.
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pleaseinsertdisctwo
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For everyone’s info, here’s the blurb from the Famitsu interview:
Using DeepL this is what it translates to:
Same interview also states that the Dominance trailer was “95% real-time,” with some of the scenes having background pre-rendered elements. IMO it’s very obvious that the scenes in question are Titan vs. Shiva and Odin Vs. Bahamut.
Obviously I can’t be sure about what I’m reading since this is a DeepL translation, but the fact that it mentions “CG characters” twice makes it seem like the game will have at least one proper CG cutscene, though I’m hoping for 6 or 7 of them.
Using DeepL this is what it translates to:
Same interview also states that the Dominance trailer was “95% real-time,” with some of the scenes having background pre-rendered elements. IMO it’s very obvious that the scenes in question are Titan vs. Shiva and Odin Vs. Bahamut.
Obviously I can’t be sure about what I’m reading since this is a DeepL translation, but the fact that it mentions “CG characters” twice makes it seem like the game will have at least one proper CG cutscene, though I’m hoping for 6 or 7 of them.
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pleaseinsertdisctwo
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It’s a combination of:
1. Me being obsessed with CG cutscenes
2. Being antsy because it’s the MMO team + Last Remnant director
3. No marketing footage thus far including any hint of CG cutscenes
Though the Famitsu interview I just quote made it seem like they’re still being worked on, so I guess that makes sense.
And lastly, I know that each expansion comes with a CG opening, but that’s one of the reasons why I’m antsy. I don’t want just an opening, or just an opening and ending. I want some in the middle of the game!
If it wasn't for FFXIV online and FF7 remake, I would have even had less excitement for Final Fantasy. FF15 almost killed the franchise for me. Now finally, 16 looks to bring back the franchise to all its former glory. I am very excited for this and Diablo. It really looks like they pulled out all the stops, hopefully that translates into incredible sales.
ProtoByte
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It's not ugly, but it's clearly not cutting edge.
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Puscifer
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I don't know how considering it was a PS3 title, it should've been massively upgraded if anything.
MagiusNecros
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Indeed. Only games I've seen that don't have a loading screen is like Metroid Prime series but that's because of a clever trick they used where doors took a while to open because the room you were entering was still loading or you took an elevator into a new zone.
Got to love how some people take things out of context for what seems to mostly be a cinematic part of the game in real time.
I am seeing a lot of focus on mah graphics mah PS5 from Yoshi P though. I hope the game is just as good. Witcher 3/Horizon/BotW/Elden Ring good would be my preference if the world map shown above is to be believed.
But previously Yoshi stated that they avoided that single Open World design that the other games have and that it is "area-based" and essentially separated into larger zones so I imagine there will be some form of load times present in the game.
In my experience Xenoblade X probably has the best example of full seamless Open World because it loads the whole map making it seamless with the exception of 2 places.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You realize the FFXV we got wasn't what the PS3 game was going to look and play right ?
Danjin44
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Who the fuck cares!!!!! It look gorgeous regardless if it’s high tech or not.
Graphic whoring is really becoming obnoxious around here.
Crispy Gamer
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Looks amazing can't wait to see how it turns out after so much time for polish
IFireflyl
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Kumomeme
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visual level is not the only way to show the hardware capabilities.
since the game is developed solely with PS5 in mind, the game would not get held back by PS4's Jaguar CPU. so we might be able to see higher number of enemy perscreen on realtime. there is war scene in trailer but that part is prerendered. so there might be other scene that could showcase this.
in interview Yoshi-P mention about seamless eikon fight transition thanks to the fast SSD. theoretically the SSD also would allow easier flying mount implementation. im gonna hold my breath but im not suprise if flying mount like black chocobo or airship is in the game. FFXIV already has this though.
it is also interesting to see how Soken gonna utilize the audio engine. will be first final fantasy game with 3D audio.
since the game is developed solely with PS5 in mind, the game would not get held back by PS4's Jaguar CPU. so we might be able to see higher number of enemy perscreen on realtime. there is war scene in trailer but that part is prerendered. so there might be other scene that could showcase this.
in interview Yoshi-P mention about seamless eikon fight transition thanks to the fast SSD. theoretically the SSD also would allow easier flying mount implementation. im gonna hold my breath but im not suprise if flying mount like black chocobo or airship is in the game. FFXIV already has this though.
it is also interesting to see how Soken gonna utilize the audio engine. will be first final fantasy game with 3D audio.
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ProtoByte
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Clearly, Yoshi-P cares directly or indirectly, as he's pitching how FF16 is a technically advanced game.
Who the fuck cares!!!!! It look gorgeous regardless if it’s high tech or not.
Graphic whoring is really becoming obnoxious around here.
The game looks good. Gorgeous is not a word I would personally use. I don't look at it and think that there's anything particularly eye-catching.
Doesn't need to be, of course. But we're allowed to have that discussion. Graphics is one of the last things you can attempt to have an objective conversation about.
Northeastmonk
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Devil May Cry: Final Fantasy Edition
Go_Ly_Dow
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Square being very quiet about what engine's they're using for the FF games. XVI they've just given cryptic nods to using some pre-existing internal tech that's loosely based on the newer FFXIV engine. FFVII Rebirth they haven't confirmed if it's UE4 or UE5 and my guess is they're trying to work out if it's possible to transition to UE5 whilst maintaining the Winter 2023/Spring 2024 release target. KH4 and DQXII though will launch as UE5 games.
Not bad. It almost looks as good as GoW3. I'm proud of you Square
So this game is now trying to be DMC, without the actual depth?
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
The game will be a looker. No doubt about that.
The real question is if this game can top the God-like game that is FFXV? I'm confident considering every FF game has been better than the game that came before it, but FFXV was so good I'm struggling to comprehend how they can top it?
The real question is if this game can top the God-like game that is FFXV? I'm confident considering every FF game has been better than the game that came before it, but FFXV was so good I'm struggling to comprehend how they can top it?
Dundar
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We truly live in bizzarro land.
EddieVanHelgen
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To be fair there's not much to load with the graphics the way they are.
EDMIX
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I don't know if I see enough evidence for all that now, the game was initially suppose to be a PS3 game, now magically it should have been on PS5? Whats next? When the remaster it on PS5, you going to tell us in 2026 that "we need a proper PS6 remaster, that game was downgraded somewhat savagely for the PS5" lol
I think FFXV is as great as it could look like at the time of its release. I didn't see anything prior to suggest it was going to look better or something as it was suppose to be on PS3 in the first place.
I also believe knowing Square we will 100% get a remaster of that game lol The Royal FINAL CUT lol So thats more of a soon then no. I think it will look great remastered on PS5, but I wouldn't hold out thinking it will be some huge game changer, I just don't buy that it was suppose to look like something else as it was already moving from 1 system to another. It will be minimal and the biggest changes will be like no loading, 3D audio, 8K (if PS5 Pro is out or something)
but back to FFXVI, I don't see no loading as a huge flex, I see it as the soon to be standard with lots of PS5 titles, hype sure, but not really shocking. It would be more weird if they said it did have loading or something lol
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