ArkhamFantasy
Member
Nirolak, do you know why japan is so transparent with sales numbers and not NPD or europe, we hardly ever get numbers for npd.
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I don't know about the unique hook but regarding its support I think you should look again at the best third parties sellers in the dedicated gaming market.
KillerMan91
Member
A lot of western releases have pretty similar opening weeks in UK and Japan nowadays. It's just that the legs are way stronger in UK normally and that leads to rather big difference in LTD sales.
Hellraider
Member
I wouldn't be so certain about it. Musou fanbase has showed many times that it prefers its games on consoles instead of portables.
...An... Adult FPS?
It's too bad that DQHII couldn't avoid the drop off people clearly expect from these games now. It looks like a rather different game and a vast improvement over the first but I guess at the end of the day the combat is still Musou. Hopefully since impressions are good, unlike Joker 3, it has better legs with the cross platform multiplayer support.
There's literally nothing else to look forward to.
Unless the Scorpio catches fire lol.
Or VR...
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
I still am pissed to this day that they turned the awesome potential of Joker 3 into a fucking palette swap game... I dont even know how the hell they managed to do that considering their previous titles and remakes were not like that at all.
What a waste of a big IP
Oh, so Joker 3 was bad? I got yelled at a lot for implying it looked low effort back in the day.
Numbers are tracked by three competing companies in Japan and one in other markets.
Undead Fantasy
Member
That's impressive.
Lostconfused
Member
It's just not that popular.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Seems like a really big drop to me
In Japan there are 3!!! sales tracking sites (Famitsu, MediaCreate and Dengeki) I suspect thats the reason they are more open, there is no monopoly like the rest of the world
It needs the same breadth of support. It already has the biggest hitters. It also needs publishers openly talking it up like they have with the PS4.
It was pretty suspect when they refused to show it but the actual game looked pretty good to me. I'd be interested in hearing what exactly is wrong with it.
The big issue has already been brought up:
There's way too much palette swapping. Most liked the DQM2 remake better.
twothunder
Member
01./00. [PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes II: The Twin Kings and Prophecy's End <RPG> (Square Enix) {2016.05.27} (¥7.800) - 184.820 / NEW
02./00. [PSV] Dragon Quest Heroes II: The Twin Kings and Prophecy's End <RPG> (Square Enix) {2016.05.27} (¥6.800) - 120.664 / NEW
03./00. [PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes II: The Twin Kings and Prophecy's End <RPG> (Square Enix) {2016.05.27} (¥6.800) - 68.376 / NEW
Big drop but still pretty decent numbers
04./00. [PS4] Overwatch <ACT> (Square Enix) {2016.05.24} (¥7.800) - 58.363 / NEW
Nice opening. will be interesting to see how it will continue to do
05./00. [PS4] Guilty Gear Xrd: Revelator # <FTG> (Arc System Works) {2016.05.26} (¥6.800) - 17.829 / NEW
08./00. [PS3] Guilty Gear Xrd: Revelator # <FTG> (Arc System Works) {2016.05.26} (¥6.800) - 9.385 / NEW
pretty bad but i wasn't expecting much
06./02. [3DS] Kirby: Planet Robobot <ACT> (Nintendo) {2016.04.28} (¥4.700) - 17.313 / 285.647 (-11%)
Keep it up Kirby.
10./10. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2015.03.19} (¥2.400) - 6.335 / 780.431 (+14%)
13./12. [WIU] Splatoon # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.05.28} (¥5.700) - 5.225 / 1.372.492 (+4%)
16./13. [WIU] Super Mario Maker # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.09.10} (¥5.700) - 4.412 / 882.905 (+8%)
The legs trio keeps on going and gets increases. Happy first year for Splatoon. Still here. Still selling.
PS4 | 24.813 | 18.430
PSV # | 14.956 | 10.954
3DS # | 15.663 | 15.406
WIU | 4.340 | 4.109
Playstation getting a nice boost while nintendo hardware stays pretty much flat
02./00. [PSV] Dragon Quest Heroes II: The Twin Kings and Prophecy's End <RPG> (Square Enix) {2016.05.27} (¥6.800) - 120.664 / NEW
03./00. [PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes II: The Twin Kings and Prophecy's End <RPG> (Square Enix) {2016.05.27} (¥6.800) - 68.376 / NEW
Big drop but still pretty decent numbers
04./00. [PS4] Overwatch <ACT> (Square Enix) {2016.05.24} (¥7.800) - 58.363 / NEW
Nice opening. will be interesting to see how it will continue to do
05./00. [PS4] Guilty Gear Xrd: Revelator # <FTG> (Arc System Works) {2016.05.26} (¥6.800) - 17.829 / NEW
08./00. [PS3] Guilty Gear Xrd: Revelator # <FTG> (Arc System Works) {2016.05.26} (¥6.800) - 9.385 / NEW
pretty bad but i wasn't expecting much
06./02. [3DS] Kirby: Planet Robobot <ACT> (Nintendo) {2016.04.28} (¥4.700) - 17.313 / 285.647 (-11%)
Keep it up Kirby.
10./10. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2015.03.19} (¥2.400) - 6.335 / 780.431 (+14%)
13./12. [WIU] Splatoon # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.05.28} (¥5.700) - 5.225 / 1.372.492 (+4%)
16./13. [WIU] Super Mario Maker # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.09.10} (¥5.700) - 4.412 / 882.905 (+8%)
The legs trio keeps on going and gets increases. Happy first year for Splatoon. Still here. Still selling.
PS4 | 24.813 | 18.430
PSV # | 14.956 | 10.954
3DS # | 15.663 | 15.406
WIU | 4.340 | 4.109
Playstation getting a nice boost while nintendo hardware stays pretty much flat
How much software do you think 3DS has sold since it's tanking harder than hardware?
Even if the Vita isn't dying as fast as Sony may want it to, its still a fading platform. With its inevitable slide from relevance for software (similar to that of the PS3), there's really little choice left as I don't see the PS4 being tenable solo. So what about a system with PS4/Handheld support on top of the massive IP that Nintendo controls.
That gives breadth and impact.
Like how much though? How many monsters are there?
That would seem like an obvious, logical path but it remains to be seen whether it actually happens.
That's the problem with Koei Tecmo, they run out of big franchises. Attack on Titan did low numbers from first entry and Dragon Quest Heroes II with the expected big drop.
Toukiden 2 looks like a mess and every time they aim next collaboration being a hit.
I read that there are at least 3 variants for pretty much every monster, but a few have more. Not sure what the unique monster count is but it's definitely lower than DQM2. They advertised there are over 500 monsters in the game total.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Don't know about Japan exactly, but latest WW software numbers put it around 274m (as of march 31th the PS4 is only 4m behind). The DS in comparison did 920m+ over it's lifetime. So what word should i use to decribe the 3DS software performance?
You talked for Japan, now you turn WW.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
You don't have to be a mathematical genius to see the implication of those WW numbers on Japanese numbers, even if the performance in Japan is better then other regions.
But you are the numbers dude here right? So if you can please do share the yearly total software numbers during the DS and 3DS lifecycle. i would be really surprised if there wasn't an extreme drop off over the years.
Bruno MB
Member
Prediction League May 2016 Results
Congratulations to:
- DarkLordMalik, for winning by units!
- DarkLordMalik, for winning by mean error %!
Congratulations to:
- DarkLordMalik, for winning by units!
- DarkLordMalik, for winning by mean error %!
Code:
BY UNITS BY MEAN ERROR %
1 DarkLordMalik 48.804 1 DarkLordMalik 11,68%
2 noobie 57.900 2 noobie 13,11%
3 horuhe 86.461 3 DKHF 19,00%
4 DKHF 110.952 4 Bruno MB 19,48%
5 Bruno MB 114.724 5 Chris1964 19,55%
6 Chris1964 127.219 6 horuhe 20,89%
7 Ryng_tolu 138.576 7 Ryng_tolu 26,68%
8 Eolz 157.428 8 Eolz 31,81%
* Aters 106.428 * Aters 22,34%
* Missed the deadline.
Code:
Famitsu Chris1964 Ryng_tolu DKHF noobie DarkLordMa Bruno MB Eolz horuhe Aters
[PS4] Uncharted 4: A Thief's End 153.352 210.987 170.000 210.000 148.000 149.999 175.000 121.000 152.351 120.000
[PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes II 188.690 123.456 135.000 150.000 205.000 169.999 135.000 142.000 149.932 150.000
[PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes II 69.426 65.432 50.000 60.000 52.000 89.999 75.000 98.000 108.375 100.000
[PSV] Dragon Quest Heroes II 123.812 123.456 75.000 130.000 105.000 129.999 90.000 74.000 116.059 120.000
TOTAL ABS. DIFF. 127.219 138.576 110.952 57.900 48.804 114.724 157.428 86.461 106.428
MEAN ERROR % 19,55% 26,68% 19,00% 13,11% 11,68% 19,48% 31,81% 20,89% 22,34%
Code:
STATISTICS FAMITSU GAF_AVG MIN MAX UNDER OVER CLOSEST BY
[PS4] Uncharted 4: A Thief's End 153.352 161.926 121.000 210.987 56% 44% 152.351 horuhe
[PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes II 188.690 151.154 123.456 205.000 89% 11% 205.000 noobie
[PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes II 69.426 77.645 50.000 108.375 44% 56% 65.432 Chris1964
[PSV] Dragon Quest Heroes II 123.812 107.057 74.000 130.000 78% 22% 123.456 Chris1964So now 3DS or general Japanese video game market trend is supposed to follow western?
You were the one claiming 3DS is tanking, If you don't know the numbers better say underperforming comparing to DS, since you made bombs almost eveything released in Japan.
Your squidreign is over!
NeonZ
Member
I think the issue is that, in spite of its predecessor's performance, the 3ds stumbled out of the gate. The 3ds tanking was reported very well, which is why people consider its later performance a success, rather than seeing it as a failure for falling behind the DS. And, who knows, maybe a consolidation of the portable market will help the next one?
Although, really, your comment isn't really rare nowadays in sales threads out of Media Create. Now that we're years from the beginning of the generation people seem to be comparing the overall performance of the 3ds with previous portables directly.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Ah it was probably wrong of me to use the term "tanking" in that sense. Made an edit to my original post!
That's the determing factor. With Sony likely out of game at handheld market (and land) what kind and size of previous Vita support will move to Nintendo is the question.
The market Wii created was almost entirely disappeared at this generation and it's not weird PS4 will end lower that PS3 even without real competition this time from Nintendo. If Nintendo doesn't manage to do something different it will be a similar PS3->PS4 scenario.
DQ fanbase is mainly on 3DS and from will come the biggest part of DQXI sales, so it's not really a problem the release of so many spin-offs mainly on Sony platforms lately. Joker 3 proved a problematic release in the end but it wont play big part.
test_account
XP-39C²
So what is the total DS vs 3DS software sales in Japan so far?
Eek that sounds a bit much. SE seems to have really taken a hatchet to their lower profile games' budgets.
DriftingSpirit
Member
I would like to know as well.
Eolz
Member
It's still a niche 2D fighter, but Sign didn't do that badly (PS3+PS4 at launch did better than SFV). It's just the usual model of the standalone expansions not selling that much.
Yeah, I described badly, missed a word. Meant to say (like some weeks ago here) that despite looking cartoony, it's not going for an "everyone" audience. It's not Splatoon, it's aiming for something really specific that is closing some doors in Japan.
It's not your usual western shooter, and it's also not something that can attract everyone either.
Oof, I did really badly on this one.
For 1,845 (132 Nintendo) titles released in its lifetime, the DS sold:
21,358 ten thousands (or 213.6 million) units of software in Japan.
At peak, it sold 50 million units of software in a year.
LTD is 33 million units of hardware.
For 534 (62 Nintendo) titles released in its lifetime, the 3DS has sold in as of so far:
10,560 ten thousands (or 105.6 million) units of software in Japan*.
At peak, it sold 25 million units of software in a year.
LTD is 21.2 million units of hardware.
*The 3DS/WiiU sales figures, for whatever reason, do not seem to report digital sales of non-packaged goods as far as I can tell from their disclaimer at the bottom of the sales pages. They only count and report on packaged card (or digital of card) software.
Source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/historical_data/pdf/consolidated_sales_e1603.pdf
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/historical_data/pdf/number_of_titles_e1603.pdf
Part of the decline, and is something Queso has hit up on in the NPD, is that there is simply less goods being sold at any given time. There has been a factor of three drop in the DS to 3DS software available, and this is also on part tied to what Oregano was noting in that software breadth has faltered on the platform.
This also highlights another of his points in that a handheld with a revitalized breadth of software could do quite well for/in the market. It'll be a curiosity to see if software development will shift to potentially favor a new handheld or support it, or if we'll continue trying to "save consoles" in Japan.
Also if I made any mistakes, feel free to point them out.
The n00b Avenger
Member
There's about 550 monsters total, but palette swaps make up like over 2/3rds of the roster so you're looking at under 200 unique monsters types. Another issue is that 1/3rd of the returning monsters from previous games all come from DQ10 so for someone who isn't into MMOs, a large amount of monsters will be ones that you're not too familiar with. To make matters worse, some of the monsters that were removed to make room for these palette swaps were old favorites like Baramos, Nocturnus/Dark Dream, Maou no Tsukai/whatever he's called in English(the skeleton with 4 arms with a weapon in each hand) and some others.
It's pretty obvious that programming monster riding routines for over 200 monster types was too big of a hurdle so what they did was shrink it down to ~150 types and make the rest recolors so the majority of monsters would share their riding programing with another monster thus saving a lot of effort and work. Personally I would have preferred to just have a select few monsters rideable over that sacrifice to make them all rideable
Aside from the issue of monster pool I thought the game itself wasn't that bad. The post-game story was a bit disappointing coming off DQM2 3DS though.
Bruno_Arrais85
Member
for an expansion/sequel, Revelator sold pretty well. Plus the online psn pre-orders are not counted.
test_account
XP-39C²
Thanks. Pretty significant drop in number of games released, also regarding Nintendo published games. Wonder how this will change (if changed) with the upcoming system.
Same
Father_Brain
Banned
There's literally nothing else that has a chance of saving the dedicated gaming market in Japan.
I'm not hopeful at all, but I at least understand why people want to be.
If ninty is able to consolidate both vita and 3DS market, i can see that number rising and considering that we don't have any digital number, comparing the number directly is not entirely accurate. As this time, eshop had their own exclusive title.
I'd imagine the number of sales/software unique to the eShop isn't that high in total.