1 year ban seems fine for misconduct at an event. The actual assault can be taken care of in the actual justice system and restraining orders if the girl feels uncomfortable with him attending events in the future.
Luckily, there are a few... similar cases where women have had stupid double standards thrown at them and came out of it alright. Hafu has a pretty good career after all the drama in her career. Hopefully we can see something similar come out of this.
And this is why the FGC is fucking disgusting in many ways. Fuck this shit.
He said he's "not a bad guy" so it's all good!Has this hyuga guy himself made any kind of statement, open apology?
If someone isn't scared about going to prison for several years, why would a ban from EVO provide any deterrent?
He said he's "not a bad guy" so it's all good!
Has this hyuga guy himself made any kind of statement, open apology?
Are you serious? How are women supposed to feel comfortable in our community if we're going to have such a flippant attitude toward SEXUAL HARASSMENT?
I'm sorry but this is absurd. There should be zero tolerance on this. Hyuga needs us way more than we'll ever need him.
There are an awful lot more tournaments happening year-round than just EVO. Nixing his sponsorship and enforcing a year-long ban by a coalition of different TOs would basically remove him from his main social circle entirely.
Not that that follow-up statement really gives me much confidence that most of them will take disciplinary action, though.
How is a lifetime ban for straight up sexual assault and borderline attempted rape an overreaction? You really think he deserves to have people forget about this and cheer him on a year from now?I don't see how "this should be handled by the criminal justice system' is being flippant towards sexual assault. Kicking him out of the event and future ones for a year is zero tolerance; banning for life like you mentioned your group doing is a previous post is an absurd overreaction. Not an uncommon attitude towards criminals in western culture, but one I disagree with.
Sure, there's nothing I disagree with here.
I don't see how "this should be handled by the criminal justice system' is being flippant towards sexual assault. Kicking him out of the event and future ones for a year is zero tolerance; banning for life like you mentioned your group doing is a previous post is an absurd overreaction. Not an uncommon attitude towards criminals in western culture, but one I disagree with.
Sure, there's nothing I disagree with here.
How is a lifetime ban for straight up sexual assault and borderline attempted rape an overreaction? You really think he deserves to have people forget about this and cheer him on a year from now?
There's no central organized body that can regulate every smash tournament, so it's impossible to impose a formal ban on all scene tournaments that happen. The biggest player here that could have any authority over the issue would have to be Nintendo themselves threatening to drop support if the 1 year ban is not served or if a lifetime ban is not served. It actually would've been smart for the community to get in touch with Nintendo to help draft an appropiate response and to try to work together in order to strengthen the community in this time of crisis.
However - and I realize I'm going down the worst rabbit hole imaginable - I'm not a big fan of "internet justice" and "off with his head" mentality.
I'll get a things out first, what he did was horrible, despicable, a breach of trust to both his friends and the community as a whole. Being drunk is not an excuse ever and it's not even possible to argue he was just getting mixed signals due to the environment and context this happened.
His "apology" was also salt on wound that was about him and what it would do to him instead of any attempt to actually apologize, own up to the sexual assault he committed by understanding the gravity of his actions. I'm also capable of rationalizing that he doesn't speak English very well and that he was most probably completely alone, half aware of what happened and without anybody to help him sort out the situation, but it still no excuse for the terrible follow up to the actions he did.
So with that out of the way, I hope I'm not eaten alive by jumping into the lion's den, a formal lifetime ban is both unfeaseble in a logistical way and I also believe it is not also a right course of action. The 1 year ban with a second strike rule is a sensible approach to the topic because it allows for a healing period for everybody personally involved and to the community at large. It serves as a standard to adhere while everything gets sorted out. It will always rest on the community to enforce both the 1 year ban that's recommended and to actually have the trust to let him back in after that recommended period as he wont be naturally exonerated because of it. The girl assaulted along with the rest of the room involved while have to grieve and come to terms with the violence that occurred, and hopefully, with the support of the community will be able to somewhat overcome the trauma psychologically and socially. Formally or informally imposing a lifetime ban on the perpetrator will only serve as a preventive measure for this type of future incidents and might also help other people to speak up when faced with abuse, but for healing, which I believe is the most important issue to resolve out of this crisis, forgiveness has to take place. It needs to be earned obviously, where Hyuga would have to actively work for it, the girl and the others will need the time to recuperate and assess what is better for them, and the community at large allow him back after an indefinite amount of time if he helps to establish safer environment for everybody in the scene.
Formal rules against violence, including sexual violence need to be instated by all the FGC independently and jointly. Mr. Wizard is probably the one that needs to lead this, where safe environments should be the number 1 concern, above competitive environments as a priority. 1 year ban with an end of term evaluation has to take place as a minimum of the assault or harassment but never an outright ban in matters that don't directly involve the police.
I hope I'm not misunderstood as taking sides with the wrongdoers, even if I'm argueing for them, but not solely or primarily for them.
tldr; if possible, the situation should be tried to be resolved by admitting the criminal back into the community in due time for the best of everybody involved.
How is a lifetime ban for straight up sexual assault and borderline attempted rape an overreaction? You really think he deserves to have people forget about this and cheer him on a year from now?
People should stop trying to equate life in prison with removal from a community that plays video games.
Banning someone for life from the latter is not equivalent to imprisoning someone forever.
There's no central organized body that can regulate every smash tournament, so it's impossible to impose a formal ban on all scene tournaments that happen. The biggest player here that could have any authority over the issue would have to be Nintendo themselves threatening to drop support if the 1 year ban is not served or if a lifetime ban is not served. It actually would've been smart for the community to get in touch with Nintendo to help draft an appropiate response and to try to work together in order to strengthen the community in this time of crisis.
However - and I realize I'm going down the worst rabbit hole imaginable - I'm not a big fan of "internet justice" and "off with his head" mentality.
I'll get a things out first, what he did was horrible, despicable, a breach of trust to both his friends and the community as a whole. Being drunk is not an excuse ever and it's not even possible to argue he was just getting mixed signals due to the environment and context this happened.
His "apology" was also salt on wound that was about him and what it would do to him instead of any attempt to actually apologize, own up to the sexual assault he committed by understanding the gravity of his actions. I'm also capable of rationalizing that he doesn't speak English very well and that he was most probably completely alone, half aware of what happened and without anybody to help him sort out the situation, but it still no excuse for the terrible follow up to the actions he did.
So with that out of the way, I hope I'm not eaten alive by jumping into the lion's den, a formal lifetime ban is both unfeaseble in a logistical way and I also believe it is not also a right course of action. The 1 year ban with a second strike rule is a sensible approach to the topic because it allows for a healing period for everybody personally involved and to the community at large. It serves as a standard to adhere while everything gets sorted out. It will always rest on the community to enforce both the 1 year ban that's recommended and to actually have the trust to let him back in after that recommended period as he wont be naturally exonerated because of it. The girl assaulted along with the rest of the room involved while have to grieve and come to terms with the violence that occurred, and hopefully, with the support of the community will be able to somewhat overcome the trauma psychologically and socially. Formally or informally imposing a lifetime ban on the perpetrator will only serve as a preventive measure for this type of future incidents and might also help other people to speak up when faced with abuse, but for healing, which I believe is the most important issue to resolve out of this crisis, forgiveness has to take place. It needs to be earned obviously, where Hyuga would have to actively work for it, the girl and the others will need the time to recuperate and assess what is better for them, and the community at large allow him back after an indefinite amount of time if he helps to establish safer environment for everybody in the scene.
Formal rules against violence, including sexual violence need to be instated by all the FGC independently and jointly. Mr. Wizard is probably the one that needs to lead this, where safe environments should be the number 1 concern, above competitive environments as a priority. 1 year ban with an end of term evaluation has to take place as a minimum of the assault or harassment but never an outright ban in matters that don't directly involve the police.
I hope I'm not misunderstood as taking sides with the wrongdoers, even if I'm argueing for them, but not solely or primarily for them.
tldr; if possible, the situation should be tried to be resolved by admitting the criminal back into the community in due time for the best of everybody involved.
There's no central organized body that can regulate every smash tournament, so it's impossible to impose a formal ban on all scene tournaments that happen. The biggest player here that could have any authority over the issue would have to be Nintendo themselves threatening to drop support if the 1 year ban is not served or if a lifetime ban is not served. It actually would've been smart for the community to get in touch with Nintendo to help draft an appropiate response and to try to work together in order to strengthen the community in this time of crisis.
However - and I realize I'm going down the worst rabbit hole imaginable - I'm not a big fan of "internet justice" and "off with his head" mentality.
I'll get a things out first, what he did was horrible, despicable, a breach of trust to both his friends and the community as a whole. Being drunk is not an excuse ever and it's not even possible to argue he was just getting mixed signals due to the environment and context this happened.
His "apology" was also salt on wound that was about him and what it would do to him instead of any attempt to actually apologize, own up to the sexual assault he committed by understanding the gravity of his actions. I'm also capable of rationalizing that he doesn't speak English very well and that he was most probably completely alone, half aware of what happened and without anybody to help him sort out the situation, but it still no excuse for the terrible follow up to the actions he did.
So with that out of the way, I hope I'm not eaten alive by jumping into the lion's den, a formal lifetime ban is both unfeaseble in a logistical way and I also believe it is not also a right course of action. The 1 year ban with a second strike rule is a sensible approach to the topic because it allows for a healing period for everybody personally involved and to the community at large. It serves as a standard to adhere while everything gets sorted out. It will always rest on the community to enforce both the 1 year ban that's recommended and to actually have the trust to let him back in after that recommended period as he wont be naturally exonerated because of it. The girl assaulted along with the rest of the room involved while have to grieve and come to terms with the violence that occurred, and hopefully, with the support of the community will be able to somewhat overcome the trauma psychologically and socially. Formally or informally imposing a lifetime ban on the perpetrator will only serve as a preventive measure for this type of future incidents and might also help other people to speak up when faced with abuse, but for healing, which I believe is the most important issue to resolve out of this crisis, forgiveness has to take place. It needs to be earned obviously, where Hyuga would have to actively work for it, the girl and the others will need the time to recuperate and assess what is better for them, and the community at large allow him back after an indefinite amount of time if he helps to establish safer environment for everybody in the scene.
Formal rules against violence, including sexual violence need to be instated by all the FGC independently and jointly. Mr. Wizard is probably the one that needs to lead this, where safe environments should be the number 1 concern, above competitive environments as a priority. 1 year ban with an end of term evaluation has to take place as a minimum of the assault or harassment but never an outright ban in matters that don't directly involve the police.
I hope I'm not misunderstood as taking sides with the wrongdoers, even if I'm argueing for them, but not solely or primarily for them.
tldr; if possible, the situation should be tried to be resolved by admitting the criminal back into the community in due time for the best of everybody involved.
I believe he deserves to be able to return to playing after serving whatever sentence the criminal justice hands him down. If the victim decides not to lay charges (someone should really try and convince her otherwise) then yeah, I guess a year is fine, 2, I don't know. It's arbitrary, what matters is that the organization immediately pulled him out and gave the victim enough time to proceed.
I'm not trying to equate it with life in prison. I'm trying to equate it with how people who serve their sentences and attempt to rehabilitate are shunned out of their communities and professions.
BingoIt is a private organization or federation of organizations. They have no obligation to place someone's rehabilitation over the safety of other members.
Nor should they.
Shouldn't he just get prosecuted criminally? The sponsor dropping him I get, but the competition ban seems like FGC passing down its own brand of justice.
Seeing as how he deleted his twitter account, I doubt he will show his face at any event after the 1 year ban. No one is going to want to associate with him after this.
Shouldn't he just get prosecuted criminally? The sponsor dropping him I get, but the competition ban seems like FGC passing down its own brand of justice.
It will always rest on the community to enforce both the 1 year ban that's recommended and to actually have the trust to let him back in after that recommended period as he wont be naturally exonerated because of it.
And this is why the FGC is fucking disgusting in many ways. Fuck this shit.
The fact he tried it twice while her friend was present, makes me think that he considered it is OK to grope a girl, as long as her boyfriend is lax and allows it or does not react as he should.
Instead of considering the girl herself not be someone's property.
Which makes it worse.
I get sad by almost everything about this case, but I think the part that somehow hit me hardest was that she didn't want to press charges because her parents would find out and not let her go to tournaments anymore.
Just...fuck, man.
Smash =/= FGC.
Mind articulating on why the FGC is disgusting in "many ways"? Seems like people are always trying to find a moment to throw vague rage towards the FGC. I mean, I'm pretty sure the FGC is the only competitive gaming community where there's plenty of welcomed and respected transgender players/figures. There's so many positive events and moments that aren't covered in new threads on this site or the gaming media.
It is a private organization or federation of organizations. They have no obligation to place someone's rehabilitation over the safety of other members.
Nor should they.
Shouldn't he just get prosecuted criminally? The sponsor dropping him I get, but the competition ban seems like FGC passing down its own brand of justice.
People should stop trying to equate life in prison with removal from a community that plays video games.
Banning someone for life from the latter is not equivalent to imprisoning someone forever.
Shouldn't he just get prosecuted criminally? The sponsor dropping him I get, but the competition ban seems like FGC passing down its own brand of justice.
I'll just have to disagree with you on that; where I am from a private employer would need to have reasonable cause related to the tasks being performed to do background checks on criminal history and not hire someone based on that factor. Obviously not an 'employer' in a traditional sense here, but I believe the same logic should apply.
I'll just have to disagree with you on that; where I am from a private employer would need to have reasonable cause related to the tasks being performed to do background checks on criminal history and not hire someone based on that factor. Obviously not an 'employer' in a traditional sense here, but I believe the same logic should apply.
This is absolutely pathetic.