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NPD: Xbox One wins October NPD. Best Selling Console in US 4th Month In a Row
Something like 85 vs 90 million.
Bitch Pudding
Member
So this is actually a clever, yet hard to answer question right now.
Considered individually, XBOX apparently gained some momentum after the launch of One S. I asume the fact that the S offered a new proposition (4K Blu-Ray) and a completely new design helped a lot to make OG XBOX One owners switch to the new one and attract new customer segments.
How this will turn out long-term remains to be seen. I for one think that the upcoming Scorpio will lead to consumer reticence at some point, especially once MS announces its price.
So PS4 Slim on the other hand didn't have any new fancy features, on the contrary, they even got rid of the optical port and also OG PS4 got that HDR treatment. It has one single major proposition, and that's price. So exisiting PS4 owners had basically no reason to buy the new one, unless their old console was about to crack down.
Furthermore, PS4 Pro's arrival let to consumer reticence as well. People saved their money for the Pro and quite a lot of people are going for the upgrade. This at least affected PS4 (Slim) sales since Pro's announcement in early September.
Still, the big question remains: Is the Pro the real deal, the best selling PS4 SKU from now on, or just a straw fire which will die out soon enough, because the Slim is cheaper.
We are right in the middle of a transition phase, with Sony introducing the iterative upgrade model and MS following en suite next year. This makes predicting sales or looking for causalities quite difficult.
For all I know, the PS4 Slim actually did quite well within the last 3months, given that it didn't motivate any exisiting PS4 owners to switch and the arrival of the PS4 Pro which from my point of view offers a much, much better value-for-money ratio.
Omnistalgic
Member
Yeah....Sony really needs to be more aggressive, but Im thinking they will only start doing that with there flagship IP.
I mean, why not Bundle TLG with Pro and make a bunch of Slim bundles and have at least a black/white/grey console. They went very very basic with Pro/Slim, needs to ramp up the variety already.
He clearly prefers PS4 on a personal level, but I don't detect any bias in his reporting of his store's performance. When he used the word "generic" it sounded like he was referring to HIS STORES offering.
Am not saying he is. He was wondering how his post was translated as anti MS,
I pointed out his original post.
Can you show us some proof, please?
Where in the world did you get these numbers?
I don't even get how he can call it "generic"? It's basically a price cut on a bundle, how can that be called "generic"?
We haven't seen the Scorpio marketing yet. Pro seems to have two big issues;
- Price
- Lack of killer app
If it were just one of those I'd have more faith but with both I think people will hold off.
Two different time frames.
DriftingSpirit
Member
I'd say it is more the former. I think Sony is, more or less, where they want to be.
We've seen these small ebb and flow moments through the generation. It isn't anything new. As such, it is funny seeing some of the posts in this thread.
It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
I think this late in the generation most console buyers are driven by price instead of tech. The Xbox one is selling because it's cheap enough for new buyers, and is enough of an improvement to encourage people to upgrade.
The Pro is certainly going to encourage some people to upgrade, but I suspect that cheaper options (OG PS4, slim, xb1s, OG Xbox) will dominate holiday sales to new users.
When the Scorpio launches, it will, like the Pro, be most attractive to people who want to upgrade. The winner that month will go to whoever has the better offering at the lower end of the price spectrum. Gamers will be having to choose between slim, pro, 1S, and Scorpio. Without knowing what software and bundles will exist at the time is impossible to even guess who will win. But I doubt Scorpio alone will be the deciding factor.
Bitch Pudding
Member
It's a great price for enthusiasts to upgrade. But those who don't already have PS4s were likely waiting for cheaper options. There are several cheaper options, and the play the same games as the Pro.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Depends, if MS nails Scorpio's price department it might fly of the shelves almost like a completely new gen console, since there's a much bigger technological gap between XBOX and Scorpio.
Then those should be covered by the / a cheaper PS4 Slim. It's not a flaw of the PS4 Pro.
Not necessarily. I bought an XBO Slim even though i already had an og xb1. It just dependw what people want.
MatPiscatella
Member
Well this thread took a turn.
Let me just point out that both the PS4 and Xbox One continue to sell exceptionally well. That, combined with a resurgent 3DS this year, has made for a quite successful year overall considering the time in the lifecycles of these systems we find ourselves.
The Xbox One S has found strong results, which also bodes well for the PS4 Pro and for Scorpio. Consumers appear to be reacting positively to these improved consoles.
There's nothing happening in the market that I can see that should have anyone feeling defensive or angry about.
"There's never been a better time to be playing videogames"
Let me just point out that both the PS4 and Xbox One continue to sell exceptionally well. That, combined with a resurgent 3DS this year, has made for a quite successful year overall considering the time in the lifecycles of these systems we find ourselves.
The Xbox One S has found strong results, which also bodes well for the PS4 Pro and for Scorpio. Consumers appear to be reacting positively to these improved consoles.
There's nothing happening in the market that I can see that should have anyone feeling defensive or angry about.
"There's never been a better time to be playing videogames"
SensibleSucker
Member
Sony has definitely plateaued in terms of PR and sales momentum.
They'll be absolutely fine in the long run and will win the gen overall, no matter what, but there have been real mis-steps over the last few months.
With PSVR they created an amazing tool that broadened gaming for millions, if they want it. However, breadth can impact depth. Money can only be spent once, so some PSVR sales will impact on console unit sales. Certainly in the short-term.
Once people "recover" from the PSVR outlay and if word of mouth about Pro benefits picks up steam, I think new year sales of the Pro from upgraders will pick up significantly. Until then, plenty of current PS4 owners will keep their powder dry. The main sales for Pro will be newbies to this gen, which puts the Pro directly up against the S.
Conversely, MS have been doing gangbusters in PR terms over the last few months. Actual, real AAA games being released. On time. In the year they said they would be. fan service stuff like BC, Elite Controller, new UI, design your own controllers, better indie focus and of course, the S (UHD blu-ray!)and Scorpio have all created positive mood music.
They'll be absolutely fine in the long run and will win the gen overall, no matter what, but there have been real mis-steps over the last few months.
With PSVR they created an amazing tool that broadened gaming for millions, if they want it. However, breadth can impact depth. Money can only be spent once, so some PSVR sales will impact on console unit sales. Certainly in the short-term.
Once people "recover" from the PSVR outlay and if word of mouth about Pro benefits picks up steam, I think new year sales of the Pro from upgraders will pick up significantly. Until then, plenty of current PS4 owners will keep their powder dry. The main sales for Pro will be newbies to this gen, which puts the Pro directly up against the S.
Conversely, MS have been doing gangbusters in PR terms over the last few months. Actual, real AAA games being released. On time. In the year they said they would be. fan service stuff like BC, Elite Controller, new UI, design your own controllers, better indie focus and of course, the S (UHD blu-ray!)and Scorpio have all created positive mood music.
It's not a world wide discussion though. How many pros do you think will be allocated to the US in November? It's not as if Sony has an infinite number to spread around the whole world. The numbers sold for both consoles will probably be pretty close to what they were last year.
And the difference with Scorpio is that MS only really cares about 2-3 regions. I wouldn't even be suprised if it's a staggered launch for the console
DriftingSpirit
Member
Yeah, not those fake AAA games.
I don't think you've been following sales thread too much...
The Pro is doing very well in pre orders, and that's due to both being a 4.2TF upgrade with 4K (pr in some cases) gaming, and to the relatively low cost.
Imo, Sony should have gone with a $449 console with a UHD drive and slightly beefier CPU, but judging on what we hear from pre orders, Sony might have been right.
In November, Sony will have the 2 most powerful consoles on the market, one priced at the same level as the competition, and one much more powerful priced a mere $100 more ($150 on BF). They have both ends of the spectrum covered (and VR, but we'll see if it goes past novelty status for the mass market)..
The only unknown here is how much 4K UHD BR will be a factor, and given the top sales at Walmart and Gamestop online for Xbox hardware for the past few weeks, it seems to me that the appeal has been more for a low cost Xbox than UHD, but I might be proven wrong once the overstuffed Xbox channels clear out the inventory.
DasPenguin
Member
Completely new console doesn't rhyme with "no exclusive games".
Bitch Pudding
Member
I know, I know, I am one of those claiming that neither Pro nor Scorpio are next gen consoles, exactly because of that. But that doesn't necessarily mean such an upgrade cannot sell like crazy (like a new one).
Final Verdict
Member
Agree!
X1s should sell like hot cakes on BF and out do PS4 slim as it will be a really cheap UHD blue ray player and comes with BF1 (great deal)
But PS4 pro has months of pre orders, and seems to have likely done alright from what I have been hearing on Gaf and Amazon, so it will likely vault Sony over the top this month.
December will be interesting though.
SensibleSucker
Member
That did make me chuckle. Touche sir.
The are covered buy Xbox one, Xbox One S, PS4, or PS4 slim. There's no guaruntee this particular user will by a PlayStation product. And If the last 4 months are any indication MS seems to be doing a good job steering the "new user" toward Xbox. IMO the new user will determine the sales leader, rather than the enthusiast upgrade.
Why you laughing? The original poster is right imo.
I chose the Slim over the Pro because of price. Yes hardcore users (such as most of GAF) will upgrade and get a Pro, but the vast majority will be happy with what they have.
If price wasn't an issue to me, I would have waited to get the Pro. That £100 I saved though has gone on games instead.
littlebigman
Member
Looks like this generation is having its PS3 Slim moment. If trends hold true the PS4 may actually end up finishing second.
travisbickle
Member
I would say sales are weighted at different times of the year and it's probably best to wait till January to get the best picture.
?
The PS3 never took over in the US, and the PS3 started selling better than the 360 rotw (aside from UK and probably some south american markets) on a monthly basis right off the bat.
So not sure where the comparison comes from...
AnthonypUK
Member
Are you being serious? or is there a "/s" hidden there?
ViolentP
Member
$10 is an issue to a lot of people out there. The value of money is very subjective. But if you look at the Pro market, it is overwhelmingly in agreement of the value of the Pro. So while the price may not have been right for you (which is frankly, completely understandable), the market in question strongly believes in the value of the product.
rokkerkory
Member
Congrats xbox!
We need all systems to be healthy
We need all systems to be healthy
I believe aqua said she's not sharing numbers till 11/21
LOL! PS4 Pro is priced RIGHT! It's not an issue. And also, Sony CLEARLY STATED that there won't be any exclusives for PS4 Pro. They won't split PS4 and PS4 Pro userbase.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Because Sony totally nailed Pro's price. It seems like you think the Pro only attracts enthusiasts / the "hardcore" gamers out there. Well, it doesn't. It has a 100% mass market compatible price tag and attracts every customer segment except the cost-driven one(s), for which Sony introduced the PS4 Slim.
dugdug
Banned
Assuming Scorpio is releasing in the Fall, that's a win considering Sony has stopped releasing games in that timeframe.
I firmly believe that this is a major factor in why XB1 is outselling PS4 right now, and why it will continue until February (unless we start seeing *more* delays). Yes, the S itself is a very nice console, and an attractive deal by itself, but, factor in that they released both Forza Horizon 3 and Gears of War 4 in these last couple months and you have wave after wave of positive momentum. People can laugh off "ah, the same old-same old exclusives" but, at least, they're actually releasing games and almost always of a high quality. These are games consoles at the end of the day, and, Sony seems to have forgotten to add that to the equation lately.
Like, the only PS4 console exclusive anyone's even talked about since May, has been No Man's Sky, and, I'm willing to bet that hurt Sony's reputation as well as Hello Games'. These last few months are signs of A) Microsoft getting their shit together and putting out quality hardware/software, and B) Sony burning up the last of the good will made from the PS4 launch.
All, IMO, of course.
BouncyFrag
Member
If MS approaches patching already released games for the Scorpio in the same manner as their approach to backwards compatibility since the S released, they'll have an easy time offering incentives to upgrade.
360 2 years ago :
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=834141&page=1
i assume it shipped another million or 2.
As for Ps3 is pretty guaranteed it outsold 360.
While I'm sure it's not the only reason, but XB1 bundles and prices are pretty insane. Don't get me wrong I love my X1 paid 499$ cdn at launch but u can't say XB1 prices haven't contributed towards this. And there's nothing wrong with that IMO.
CosmicQueso
Member
I know about 360 hitting 84m in 2014 but we haven't seen any numbers since.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Maaaaan the fanboy salt is pathetic
Great turn around by MS. Really hope they stay the course
Great turn around by MS. Really hope they stay the course