Why would any of that upset you?
What are the numbers?
Is this XBox improving or Sony declining?
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Your are in a thread where xbox won the month, you start your post about writing a wall of text about Sony
Yeah....Sony really needs to be more aggressive, but Im thinking they will only start doing that with there flagship IP.My two cents on this.
Hardly surprising at all. I think its easy to overestimate the brand advantage PS4 held over XB1 due to PS4s consistent sales lead over Xbox, prior to XB1S . But in US/UK, it was not like the sales gap was huge. Sure, XB1S was the catalyst to push its current sales above PS4, but it came with a lot of other caveats as well.
If I were to categorise the various catalyst between PS4 and XB1, it would be the below:
PS4 Slim:
$50 price cut
Slim redesign
UC4 bundle
XB1 S:
$50 price cut
Slim redesign + UHD
Halo 5/MCC bundle, Gears 1-4 bundle, Minecraft bundle, BF1 bundle, Madden bundle, FIFA bundle
I would also add that XB1S consistently has better deals than PS4, in terms of gift-cards, free additional games, etc. MS is nothing if not very generous with deals this generation.
In summary, not only is XB1S the product with the bigger redesign splash, its also the product that has the best value in terms of games bundled (5 Gears/Halo games, 3 MineCraft games) and for single-game bundles, they are games that are highly anticipated with a lot of mainstream appeal. (BF, Madden, FIFA)
Furthermore, XB1S is smart with the timing of said releases and bundles. Ever since XB1S released, was there any window of time where there was no new bundles released to generate excitement? After Halo, there was Madden, then there was Gears, and then theres Battlefield.
Contrary to popular belief that Xbox brand had a long streak of taint, I believe that XB1 has long shed a huge bulk of toxicity the brand had 2 years ago during the AssCreed dual-bundle move, where the product flew off shelves with one of the best bundle deals that set the standard for quality bundles this gen. That move also highlighted that both brands have plenty of parity and ability to outsell each other given the right value given to said console.
Right now? Id easily say that PS4 Slims appeal is weaker than XB1S. Its bundled with one fixed choice game, whereas XB1S has the array of options for multi-games and single games that appeal to a wider range of audience (shooter, sports, children)
While Im uncertain what to expect of November, personally I wouldnt necessarily put my chips on a certain PS4 victory. This is because of two factors.
- November/Black Friday are purchasing months that, from a volume perspective, is highly price-sensitive
- PS4 Slims deals are not as appealing or sexy compared to XB1S.
November needs both Slim and Pro to do well if PS4 wants to win and I think Sony is way too focused on Pro at the moment and not having the CoD/WD2 bundle available day-and-date with Europe in the US is a mistake. UC4 bundle alone isnt sexy enough.
I expect Pro to sell very well. But is it an extremely high volume to the extent itll easily win? Hard to say.
Anyway, XB1Ss stronger sales have been well-deserved. I for one hope that it lights some extra generosity on Sonys ass so that theyll at least try to match some of the more generous deals MS has been dealing out. I could do with a 399 PS4 Pro bundle with multiple games instead of just one game sooner rather than later.
Why dont you reread your previous post?
Your are in a thread where xbox won the month, you start your post about writing a wall of text about Sony and their shipment and how you are satisfied with it. You start with how good Its for Pro and how it exceeded you expectations.
Than you write a spree about black Friday where you present the Sony bundles and what's included in them, and a solution for a more attractive one.
And lastly you close your post with Xbox offering as Generic.
Maybe its that?
He clearly prefers PS4 on a personal level, but I don't detect any bias in his reporting of his store's performance. When he used the word "generic" it sounded like he was referring to HIS STORES offering.
Something like 85 vs 90 million.
Where in the world did you get these numbers?Something like 85 vs 90 million.
Am not saying he is. He was wondering how his post was translated as anti MS,
I pointed out his original post.
I find it unbelievable that people think Xbox will win with pro launching, would you also predict a ps4 win when Scorpio launches?
I find it unbelievable that people think Xbox will win with pro launching, would you also predict a ps4 win when Scorpio launches?
I'd say it is more the former. I think Sony is, more or less, where they want to be.Is this XBox improving or Sony declining?
Annectodal evidence but the Pro didn't exactly fly from the shelves here i europe. Available in huge quantities everywhere. Then again, X1S did not improve much on the horrible sales of the XB1. Seems like both are in a bad state right now internationally.
I find it unbelievable that people think Xbox will win with pro launching, would you also predict a ps4 win when Scorpio launches?
We haven't seen the Scorpio marketing yet. Pro seems to have two big issues;
- Price
- Lack of killer app
If it were just one of those I'd have more faith but with both I think people will hold off.
. But I doubt Scorpio alone will be the deciding factor.
It's a great price for enthusiasts to upgrade. But those who don't already have PS4s were likely waiting for cheaper options. There are several cheaper options, and the play the same games as the Pro.
It's a great price for enthusiasts to upgrade. But those who don't already have PS4s were likely waiting for cheaper options. There are several cheaper options, and the play the same games as the Pro.
It's not a world wide discussion though. How many pros do you think will be allocated to the US in November? It's not as if Sony has an infinite number to spread around the whole world. The numbers sold for both consoles will probably be pretty close to what they were last year.I find it unbelievable that people think Xbox will win with pro launching, would you also predict a ps4 win when Scorpio launches?
I don't think you've been following sales thread too much...We haven't seen the Scorpio marketing yet. Pro seems to have two big issues;
- Price
- Lack of killer app
If it were just one of those I'd have more faith but with both I think people will hold off.
Depends, if MS nails Scorpio's price department it might fly of the shelves almost like a completely new gen console, since there's a much bigger technological gap between XBOX and Scorpio.
Completely new console doesn't rhyme with "no exclusive games".
Agree!While I expect XB1 to sell better than the regular PS4, Pro will be enough to keep Sony in front imo.
Both consoles will sell a ton though. Should be a very good holiday season for both.
Yeah, not those fake AAA games.
Depends, if MS nails Scorpio's price department it might fly of the shelves almost like a completely new gen console, since there's a much bigger technological gap between XBOX and Scorpio.
Then those should be covered by the / a cheaper PS4 Slim. It's not a flaw of the PS4 Pro.
Is this XBox improving or Sony declining?
?Looks like this generation is having its PS3 Slim moment. If trends hold true the PS4 may actually end up finishing second.
Looks like this generation is having its PS3 Slim moment. If trends hold true the PS4 may actually end up finishing second.
Why you laughing? The original poster is right imo.
I chose the Slim over the Pro because of price. Yes hardcore users (such as most of GAF) will upgrade and get a Pro, but the vast majority will be happy with what they have.
If price wasn't an issue to me, I would have waited to get the Pro. That £100 I saved though has gone on games instead.
I believe aqua said she's not sharing numbers till 11/21Still waiting for those numbers.
Why you laughing? The original poster is right imo.
I chose the Slim over the Pro because of price. Yes hardcore users (such as most of GAF) will upgrade and get a Pro, but the vast majority will be happy with what they have.
If price wasn't an issue to me, I would have waited to get the Pro. That £100 I saved though has gone on games instead.
We haven't seen the Scorpio marketing yet. Pro seems to have two big issues;
- Price
- Lack of killer app
Why you laughing? The original poster is right imo.
I chose the Slim over the Pro because of price. Yes hardcore users (such as most of GAF) will upgrade and get a Pro, but the vast majority will be happy with what they have.
If price wasn't an issue to me, I would have waited to get the Pro. That £100 I saved though has gone on games instead.
I find it unbelievable that people think Xbox will win with pro launching, would you also predict a ps4 win when Scorpio launches?
Can you show us some proof, please?
While I'm sure it's not the only reason, but XB1 bundles and prices are pretty insane. Don't get me wrong I love my X1 paid 499$ cdn at launch but u can't say XB1 prices haven't contributed towards this. And there's nothing wrong with that IMO.This is a meme. Sony had a firesale before the slim launched and they never outsold XO.
Looks like this generation is having its PS3 Slim moment. If trends hold true the PS4 may actually end up finishing second.
360 2 years ago :
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=834141&page=1
i assume it shipped another million or 2.
As for Ps3 is pretty guaranteed it outsold 360.