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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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joe_zazen

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You’re starting to sound like one of those paranoid conspiracy theorists 😂😂

go to the window. that white van is there for you, but it isnt too late if you follow my instructions to the letter. you need to sneak outside, DONT LET THE MORMONS SEE YOU! oh and wear sweatpants without underwear. Find a park or other spot with soil. Next, dig a hole 3.5 “ in diameter, and 6.5” deep. now you must fill your heart with love for all living things and fuck mother earth until you ejaculate. Once you have impregnated the planet, sneak back into your home and play purple lagoon by frank zappa, but listen only to the left speaker. Frank will give further instructions.
 
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BROOOOOOOO!!!!

I do not know if you’re being real with yourself right now or not, Mark Cerny did talk about Ray Tracing as a visual effect and as a sound effect and this is according to the guy who wrote the WIRED article that it is associated with both of them, the sound and the visual, and Sony has CONFIRMED HARDWARE RAY TRACING TWICE FOR PS5, there’s no way around this my guy, give it up.

You’re starting to sound like one of those paranoid conspiracy theorists 😂😂

People have been on here talking about dual gpus being inside of a fucking console and are believing every random paste bin and fake rumor that pops up, and I'm the conspiracy theorist? Okay "BROOOOOOOO!!!!" :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:

As I said before, it's a dead issue for me. I don't care. Wait for the reveal.
 
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lynux3

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So, long story short, I see one side projecting confidence whereas I see the other being evasive on the issue. Maybe I'm wrong, and I will gladly eat crow. But I'm going to need to see it in a released title to believe it.
Look, I know you're on a mission here, but it takes a lot... and I mean a lot of mental gymnastics to come to that conclusion after Mark Cerny's latest quote on the subject. Maybe a reminder of what Cerny said exactly will help? (Probably not.)

"There is ray-tracing acceleration in the GPU hardware." - Mark Cerny
 

Niked

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Ok.. Guys and girls, when the actual F will Sony do a huge PS5 reveal?! Cant any real insiders leak anything?! We are in mid February now... 😭
 
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LED Guy?

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People have been on here talking about dual gpus being inside of a fucking console and are believing every random paste bin and fake rumor that pops up, and I'm the conspiracy theorist? Okay "BROOOOOOOO!!!!" :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:

As I said before, it's a dead issue for me. I don't care. Wait for the reveal.
They are delusional too, I have not said anything about them, 2 wrongs doesn’t make you’re doing any less insane, stop it man.
 
Cerny talked about audio RT because it's new thing, technology in games, what's wrong with that? how it's misunderstanding? do you think he's gonna spil the beans about RT on his first interview? you might say ps5 lacks BC because cerny didn't talk about it or Ryan didn't mention it at CES.

and you still doubt it? :messenger_grinning_squinting: like what he's have to tell you to make you believe it?

wee don't even know if that leak is real and even it's real that don't disprove anything about ps5 just because there's RT in xsex leak.

yes it doesn't have RT because Ryan didn't mentions it but later he says that they will share more features about ps5 in coming months by then ps5 probably have RT by that time if he mentions it because Cerny mentioning is not enough for you,
it's hard to tell that you're trolling? or really have flawed logic?

key word: I see, next time send email to sony and ask that they will talk about what you want them to make a list or something.

here i can prove it:
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Dude, you lied!
 
Look, I know you're on a mission here, but it takes a lot... and I mean a lot of mental gymnastics to come to that conclusion after Mark Cerny's latest quote on the subject. Maybe a reminder of what Cerny said exactly will help? (Probably not.)

"There is ray-tracing acceleration in the GPU hardware." - Mark Cerny

More like you guys are on a mission to dictate to me what I should and shouldn't believe based on the impression i'm getting based on their communication thus far. Maybe it's you all who should just move on and leave me in my ignorance if that's how you choose to view it. Why is it so important to so many of you that I believe exactly what you all believe? I do not. I'm waiting on a final verdict in the form of a released AAA that demonstrates it. Just because I'm more convinced on the xbox side of things with regards to ray tracing doesn't mean I don't need to see clear proof of it there also. I do. So, are we all finally done? Hope so, because I'm not changing my view until I see what the situation is like once games start showing up.
 
More like you guys are on a mission to dictate to me what I should and shouldn't believe based on the impression i'm getting based on their communication thus far. Maybe it's you all who should just move on and leave me in my ignorance if that's how you choose to view it. Why is it so important to so many of you that I believe exactly what you all believe? I do not. I'm waiting on a final verdict in the form of a released AAA that demonstrates it. Just because I'm more convinced on the xbox side of things with regards to ray tracing doesn't mean I don't need to see clear proof of it there also. I do. So, are we all finally done? Hope so, because I'm not changing my view until I see what the situation is like once games start showing up.

Man, you're insane. In every way.
 
Good, so we've established I'm insane for wanting to see proof of something when a company says certain things. I'll take that.

Why is it so important to so many of you that I believe exactly what you all believe? I do not. I'm waiting on a final verdict in the form of a released AAA that demonstrates it. Just because I'm more convinced on the xbox side of things with regards to ray tracing doesn't mean I don't need to see clear proof of it there also. I do. So, are we all finally done? Hope so, because I'm not changing my view until I see what the situation is like once games start showing up.

It was important to you 4 years ago to convince people here that X1X will have ZEN without providing any single damn proof. People here just trying to provide you a proof that PS5 will have RT, literally a frickin quotes from Mark Cerny, then PS5 features slideshows which says - Hardware Based Raytracing. RT for PS5 is mentioned more times, especially by Mark Cerny, the system architect, yet, at Project Scarlet teaser last year at E3, someone mentioned that XSX will have hardware accelerated RT - BELIEVE!

Yes, you're insane.
 
There is nothing happening in Feb. I'm not being negative but if there was something going down, one of the reliable insiders like Jason Schrier would have leaked it by now or there would have been a whisper from someone like him about an impending reveal or show or whatever.

I feel GDC will come and go and still Sony will remain tight lipped. E3 time is when we're definitely going to see PS5.

Coronavirus also contributing to the delay i'm sure.

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Also i've stopped playing games. I'm so done and tired of current gen right now. I tried playing Death Stranding last week. Only lasted 20 mins before i turned off my PS4 Pro. I NEED PS5 and i need it NOW.
 
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It was important to you 4 years ago to convince people here that X1X will have ZEN without providing any single damn proof. People here just trying to provide you a proof that PS5 will have RT, literally a frickin quotes from Mark Cerny, then PS5 features slideshows which says - Hardware Based Raytracing. RT for PS5 is mentioned more times, especially by Mark Cerny, the system architect, yet, at Project Scarlet teaser last year at E3, someone mentioned that XSX will have hardware accelerated RT - BELIEVE!

Yes, you're insane.

Nope, again, that's also nonsense. I always made it clear that xbox one x having zen was my DESIRE, my speculation, not something I knew for certain. I just strongly believed it based on an interactioin with people who worked on the console at xbox fanfest/E3. No more, no less.


https://www.neogaf.com/threads/digi...-gpu-features-revealed.1337264/post-229907483



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So, yea, I was always speculating and hyped from excitement, and just wanting a console I intended to buy to have the best, even if it didn't seem practical for a mid-gen refresh. People here have discussed for ps5 everything from HBM2e, to RERAM, to dual GPUs, one on each side of that dev kit design, some have speculated 13.8 all the way to 14TF. Shit, people get excited! Point it out as many times as you like. Scream it from the rooftops. Yes, I wanted and hoped Xbox One X would have have Zen, and based on conversations I had with people who worked on the damn thing at E3, who obviously couldn't tell me much and at the same time probably didn't want to burst an excited fan's bubble, said just enough for me to treat it as potential confirmation that it had it. I'm not ashamed of that lol, and I laugh every time you people act like I should be.

It was pretty clear for anyone who had paid attention to all my posts back then, as opposed to cherry picking just the ones that fit their agenda, where I was getting my xbox one x + zen beliefs from. It was also pretty clear from those same posts that I wouldn't have given a damn if I was wrong so long as the console delivered. Xbox One X delivered. I never thought it'd be able to perform like it has in some games from the time i've had it. I was thinking true 4K gaming was out of reach for it still prior to release, except in something like Forza. So, by all means, continue to beat that old dead horse. :)
 

demigod

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Dude it's time to go man. Find a new thread to take your bullshit to

Already a thread with him in it. Lets take his advice and ignore him so he’ll stop this nonsense.

 
Dude it's time to go man. Find a new thread to take your bullshit to

I don't know, are you a moderator? How about you take your bullshit somewhere else? Listen, people may not like me defending my view on here, but I will do so till I'm banned or if I've somehow violated some policy I'm unaware of where I'm forced to see things your way. But drop the fake ass aggressive tactics. They don't work, and I'm not bothered nor intimidated by any of it. If you guys can't accept that I believe what I believe and just move on and let the shit go. Guess who has the problem? It's you, not me. If people keep asking me about the same shit over and over, and I keep insisting that this is what I believe with zero signs of me backing away from it. Move the fuck on already. I'm not the one prolonging this, you guys are. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Already a thread with him in it. Lets take his advice and ignore him so he’ll stop this nonsense.



THANK YOU. I'm happy to be done with it if you guys are. I've said this crazy times by now.
 

SlimySnake

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It was important to you 4 years ago to convince people here that X1X will have ZEN without providing any single damn proof. People here just trying to provide you a proof that PS5 will have RT, literally a frickin quotes from Mark Cerny, then PS5 features slideshows which says - Hardware Based Raytracing. RT for PS5 is mentioned more times, especially by Mark Cerny, the system architect, yet, at Project Scarlet teaser last year at E3, someone mentioned that XSX will have hardware accelerated RT - BELIEVE!

Yes, you're insane.
well in his defense, a MS hardware engineer lied to him to his face at xbox fanfest about the whole zen thing.

naturally, instead of being skeptical of the very people who lied to him, he is ok with taking them for their word while casting doubt over Cerny and the CEO of sony.
 
Nope, again, that's also nonsense. I always made it clear that xbox one x having zen was my DESIRE, my speculation, not something I knew for certain. I just strongly believed it based on an interactioin with people who worked on the console at xbox fanfest/E3. No more, no less.


https://www.neogaf.com/threads/digi...-gpu-features-revealed.1337264/post-229907483



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QzRC4WH.png


So, yea, I was always speculating and hyped from excitement, and just wanting a console I intended to buy to have the best, even if it didn't seem practical for a mid-gen refresh. People here have discussed for ps5 everything from HBM2e, to RERAM, to dual GPUs, one on each side of that dev kit design, some have speculated 13.8 all the way to 14TF. Shit, people get excited! Point it out as many times as you like. Scream it from the rooftops. Yes, I wanted and hoped Xbox One X would have have Zen, and based on conversations I had with people who worked on the damn thing at E3, who obviously couldn't tell me much and at the same time probably didn't want to burst an excited fan's bubble, said just enough for me to treat it as potential confirmation that it had it. I'm not ashamed of that lol, and I laugh every time you people act like I should be.

It was pretty clear for anyone who had paid attention to all my posts back then, as opposed to cherry picking just the ones that fit their agenda, where I was getting my xbox one x + zen beliefs from. It was also pretty clear from those same posts that I wouldn't have given a damn if I was wrong so long as the console delivered. Xbox One X delivered. I never thought it'd be able to perform like it has in some games from the time i've had it. I was thinking true 4K gaming was out of reach for it still prior to release, except in something like Forza. So, by all means, continue to beat that old dead horse. :)

Oh, yes, you knew that X1X will have Zen CPU. It was your desire and also NOT a speculation in any way. You said it WILL HAVE! Because someone told you that and you didn't backtracked for being wrong too

Here we go with this bullshit. Nothing I've said warrants a perm ban, but should something so ridiculous occur the reason will be obvious. I heard strong indications at E3 2016 that it would be a Zen CPU. Not taking back what I said, nor will I apologize for any of it. If my being permanently banned satisfies some, well then I suppose that's the price you pay for being excited about scorpio? Whatever lol

Scorpio will have a Zen CPU. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I doubt it. It won't kill me if it doesn't. But I don't equate the messaging from that reveal video to mean "hey guys, so we went with a Jaguar CPU."


 

GermanZepp

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BROOOOOOOO!!!!

I do not know if you’re being real with yourself right now or not, Mark Cerny did talk about Ray Tracing as a visual effect and as a sound effect and this is according to the guy who wrote the WIRED article that it is associated with both of them, the sound and the visual, and Sony has CONFIRMED HARDWARE RAY TRACING TWICE FOR PS5, there’s no way around this my guy, give it up.

You’re starting to sound like one of those paranoid conspiracy theorists 😂😂

I don't know who are you replying to cause i got lots of people on ignore. But i imagine its the naturo avatar dude.

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Oh, yes, you knew that X1X will have Zen CPU. It was your desire and also NOT a speculation in any way. You said it WILL HAVE! Because someone told you that and you didn't backtracked for being wrong too





Again, waisting your time. That proves nothing. My other posts provide greater context. Important word that one, CONTEXT. We were getting closer and closer to reveal and I was dead set on it being what I wanted it to be. And??? Sue me! And that post doesn't look like obvious speculation to you!? And you people say I'm the one with problems! :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Time to start padding my ignore list, since you guys obviously can't do the same lol.
 
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well in his defense, a MS hardware engineer lied to him to his face at xbox fanfest about the whole zen thing.

naturally, instead of being skeptical of the very people who lied to him, he is ok with taking them for their word while casting doubt over Cerny and the CEO of sony.

no, they didn't lie to me, they just didn't shut down the speculation. Me trying to read between the lines and extrapolate as much as I could from their response left me convinced they truly were doing something with Zen, and I just projected all that excitement onto the upcoming Scorpio. My posts from like 2016/2017 all support this same story. It hasn't changed, so I don't know why we're revisiting it, but we like to do things in cycles.

I can't doubt Sony? Same Sony who once told me I'd be getting dual 1080p 120fps from ps3 and talked like all ps3 games would be native 1080p because 720p was inferior. And then what happened? Can I call them liars? Companies market shit. They once talked about doing 2 cell processors with no GPU, and wanted people to believe it would have been amazing. Companies market shit. Microsoft marketed cloud as having the power of 3 xbox ones, and it would be used to enhance games? Well, that obviously didn't pan out and was nonsense. Even the big example of it, which was crackdown 3, left me rather unimpressed. Companies market shit and often overpromise and then underdeliver. I'm crazy for casting doubt on some of the marketing? Whatever.

Can you do this?

Yes, I can. Give me the chance without another crazed fanboy trying to start an argument over dumb shit. I'm not the one triggered here. I'm just defending myself is all. If only there was an authority figure who could bring things to order. A mod maybe. In fact, I will do so starting now and ignore all other responses to me. Let's see if others can do the same.
 
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Fake

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It wasn't just the E3 reveal video for scarlett. It's AMD's press release on their official blog where they commit to it while labeling it next gen RDNA. It's also the official Series X reveal post. Microsoft is doubling and tripling down. Cerny's first example was regarding audio ray tracing, no big deal, likely a misunderstanding. He then clarifies hardware acceleratio on a follow-up. I now think the issue is dead. Then the AMD GitHub leak where it doesn't appear at all for ps5 chip, but does for Xbox series x chip. Now I'm rethinking what Cerny said and now have doubts. Then comes CES, they put up a slide showing it. I again think the issue is put to bed, only to then bizarrely learn that of all features on the slide, the guy on stage literally talks about everything on the slide, except hardware based ray tracing.

Consider that to mention every other feature on that slide, he had to skip past hardware ray tracing twice. I found that extremely odd. Why do they seem so reluctant to talk about one of the most hyped new graphics features coming into next gen? Do I expect to see it in every game? No, it's too demanding. Now I've left open the possibility that they may have it, but I have legitimate reason to doubt it now. Phil, again, has further confirmed hardware accelerated ray tracing via interviews also.

So, long story short, I see one side projecting confidence whereas I see the other being evasive on the issue. Maybe I'm wrong, and I will gladly eat crow. But I'm going to need to see it in a released title to believe it.

And, make no mistake, just because I believe Xbox really has it, doesn't mean that they, too, don't need to prove it from where I'm sitting. Both need to prove they have the real deal, or they shouldn't claim that they do. That's how I see it. So hopefully that's a complete enough answer on my thought process. It'll be the last time I address it, though, till we get more verifiable information on both consoles, but Sony have not portrayed the same degree of confidence where ray tracing is concerned. If we are being honest, there has been a clear difference between how the two sides have been marketing the feature.
More like you guys are on a mission to dictate to me what I should and shouldn't believe based on the impression i'm getting based on their communication thus far. Maybe it's you all who should just move on and leave me in my ignorance if that's how you choose to view it. Why is it so important to so many of you that I believe exactly what you all believe? I do not. I'm waiting on a final verdict in the form of a released AAA that demonstrates it. Just because I'm more convinced on the xbox side of things with regards to ray tracing doesn't mean I don't need to see clear proof of it there also. I do. So, are we all finally done? Hope so, because I'm not changing my view until I see what the situation is like once games start showing up.
Sigh... I got my posts deleted for less than this...
 
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Neo Blaster

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Also i've stopped playing games. I'm so done and tired of current gen right now. I tried playing Death Stranding last week. Only lasted 20 mins before i turned off my PS4 Pro. I NEED PS5 and i need it NOW.

Dude, chill out, we have a whole year full of games ahead, great exclusives like TLOU2, GoT, FF7R, Iron Man VR and multiplats like RE3, Doom Eternal, Cyberpunk, Elden Ring and much more. 2013 wasn't even close to this one.
 
Yes, I can. Give me the chance without another crazed fanboy trying to start an argument over dumb shit. I'm not the one triggered here. I'm just defending myself is all. If only there was an authority figure who could bring things to order. A mod maybe. In fact, I will do so starting now and ignore all other responses to me. Let's see if others can do the same.
The projection is strong in this one...
 
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