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[Bernkastel]

To be honest the XSX can have all the power it wants, because just like the X1X it will fail to have a significant impact worldwide.

Neither did the PS4 Pro. They are mid gen refreshes only aimed at hardcore fans(most people still bought PS4/Xbox One S).

 

[asustitan]

The random read speeds is what REALLY counts and will be similar between XSX and PS5..You will only hit that sequential speed advantage when initially loading the entire game into memory.

From a PS4 owner, I would much rather have the extra GPU performance.

Can I notice the Photoshop load times between generational SSDs, no.

 

[iJudged]

Who is this guy? A random YouTuber?

I love his blog:

How to get 100K subscribers on YouTube – Coreteks

coreteks.tech

seriously though, do we really need a thread for every YouTube video and tweet? Why not a single OT with all the YouTube/twitter posts about SSD and call it a day?

denial and desperation is a helluva drug

 

[geordiemp]

What gets me is the video references allot about Nvidia data compression and AMD vs Nvidia, and is well researched and gives references to AMD / Nvidia tech papers and developer conferences.

And we have posters who dont watch it, or probably dont understand it anyway...other than simple numbers and just pure ignorance and just trolling.

Dont the trolls realise they just look like

 

[Fulcizombie]

Stop spreading FUD.

GPU clock is CAPPED at 2230Mhz not boosting to 2230Mhz, there's a difference. Therefore its 10.3tflops.

Nope. Variable speeds =NOT 10.3 TF, no matter how painful it is to Sony fanboys. Anyway all these threads with various youtubers should be merged.

 

[iJudged]

i've built my fair share of gaming rigs and not once was i ever, EVER, excited about purchasing the SSD thinking it will increase my FPS or allow me to play at a higher res among other things, CPU/GPU/RAM that's all that fckin matters, not SSD lol...this is getting out of control, neogaf.

 

[Fulcizombie]

And 90% of the them are sony devs, NO? Maybe the XSX doesn't need any defending as it is the more powerful console.

Exactly. You can feel the agony in a certain part of the gaming community trying to convince us of ....stuff after the ps5 reveal debacle. On the other hand MS is calm and transparent and I suspect more bombs coming in the upcoming months (a small upclock for a close to 13 TF GPU) to twist the knife even more.

 

[geordiemp]

Nope. Variable speeds =NOT 10.3 TF, no matter how painful it is to Sony fanboys. Anyway all these threads with various youtubers should be merged.

Its not painful, its just funny reading comments about muh TF and reading comprehension. Gives me a laugh.

Go on tell us about variable speeds and how processors work in a given frame.....I need more lols.

 

[Malcolm9]

Neither did the PS4 Pro. They are mid gen refreshes only aimed at hardcore fans(most people still bought PS4/Xbox One S).

I didn't mention the Pro because the X1X was the most powerful console and it didn't pull up any trees for MS apart from minor bragging rights. Yes it was a halfway refresh but it's still had three years on the market.

 

[Fulcizombie]

Its not painful, its just funny reading comments about muh TF and reading comprehension. Gives me a laugh.

Go on tell us about variable speeds and how processors work in a given frame.....I need more lols.

I don’t need to tell you anything, the word variable speaks for itself and DF has already explained how it will work. Even Cerny never dared to imply that you will have a 2.23 GHz running GPU all the time, he just sugarcoated it.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Can we just accept reality and drop this ssd nonsense? More boring than Coronavirus articles.

 

[ethomaz]

No, just don't blindly believer every PR speech that includes some skeptical/half truths from either side.

Well developers are exited about so why not wait the reality...

And 90% of the them are sony devs, NO? Maybe the XSX doesn't need any defending as it is the more powerful console.

Wrong again.
Most are 3rd-party devs.

And saying you are excited about something is not equal to defending something.

All I can see in you is bias against PS5.

You don’t believe the lead design of the console.
You don’t believe 3rd-party developer being excited about it.

 

[ethomaz]

The random read speeds is what REALLY counts and will be similar between XSX and PS5..You will only hit that sequential speed advantage when initially loading the entire game into memory.

From a PS4 owner, I would much rather have the extra GPU performance.

Can I notice the Photoshop load times between generational SSDs, no.

Err games files are always installed for sequential reads.
Devs have complete control over that.

 

[geordiemp]

I don’t need to tell you anything, the word variable speaks for itself and DF has already explained how it will work. Even Cerny never dared to imply that you will have a 2.23 GHz running GPU all the time, he just sugarcoated it.

i cant be bothered, try reading how stuff works, your posts are funny..

 

[Goliathy]

Well developers are exited about so why not wait the reality...

Devs are excited about SSDs in consoles in general.
They are not only excited because of the ps5 ssd and totally bored by the Xbox series ssd. Lol

Again, for multiplatform games, the ssd will NOT provide an advantage for the ps5 other than maybe shorter loading times.

 

[ethomaz]

i've built my fair share of gaming rigs and not once was i ever, EVER, excited about purchasing the SSD thinking it will increase my FPS or allow me to play at a higher res among other things, CPU/GPU/RAM that's all that fckin matters, not SSD lol...this is getting out of control, neogaf.

So you never played Star Citizen?
SSD in most cases doubles the framerate.

That just shows how PC devs are good back by old hardware.

 

[thelastword]

Was just about to post this.....


Coreteks really nailed this video, well researched, well spoken, well argued......Cerny is no two bit console designer, he had a vision to remove the most problematic issues that cripples performance and that's exactly what he did......XBOX did the traditional, huge TF whilst maintaining lots of the bottlenecks of yesteryear...….It's the very reason devs are excited for PS5 and have called it the most important piece of architecture/console in decades...….

 

[Von Hugh]

All I can see in you is bias against PS5.

This is hilarious.

 

[ethomaz]

Devs are excited about SSDs in consoles in general.
They are not only excited because of the ps5 ssd and totally bored by the Xbox series ssd. Lol

Again, for multiplatform games, the ssd will NOT provide an advantage for the ps5 other than maybe shorter loading times.

There are enough 3rd-party devs talking specifically about PS5 and not Xbox.

 

[Panajev2001a]

i've built my fair share of gaming rigs and not once was i ever, EVER, excited about purchasing the SSD thinking it will increase my FPS or allow me to play at a higher res among other things, CPU/GPU/RAM that's all that fckin matters, not SSD lol...this is getting out of control, neogaf.

That speaks more about how PC’s have been limited due to the massive millstone around their neck that BC is on that platform vs consoles where they can revolutionise the way developers access the data and have it be really cheap for them... both consoles are counting on very fast SSD’s, compression, and new API’s to maximise the SSD capabilities and effectively extend the available RAM which inches closer and closer to be a cache of the lower level storage than it used to be.
If anything it shows you the limits just brute forcing your way through things has, common on the PC platform where deep revolutionary changes are risky as they break years and years of software support and quirks deeply entrenched in the tools and libraries.

 

[ethomaz]

This is hilarious.

It is not... it is sad to be fair... the guy come here just to deny anything that we know about PS5.
Cerny is lier.
3-party devs that are excited about PS5 become 1st-party.

 

[Dontero]

It is obvious to pro developers (not those amateurs) that what PS5 have in there as SSD works pretty much to such benefit that you can call it extra GPU. Think of this like HDD and SSD. Old Pentium 4 on SSD will boot faster Windows than i9-9900ks@5Ghz. It is basically force multiplier. Just reading on specs Pentium 4 is light-years faster than 9900ks but with SSD Pentium 4 is faster.

PS5 has 20TF hardware effectively. Just as XSX had 22TF before it was announced.

 

[ethomaz]

It is obvious to pro developers (not those amateurs) that what PS5 have in there as SSD works pretty much to such benefit that you can call it extra GPU. Think of this like HDD and SSD. Old Pentium 4 on SSD will boot faster Windows than i9-9900ks@5Ghz. It is basically force multiplier. Just reading on specs Pentium 4 is light-years faster than 9900ks but with SSD Pentium 4 is faster.

PS5 has 20TF hardware effectively. Just as XSX had 22TF before it was announced.

That is false.
What a bunch of bullshit lol

 

[megreotsugua]

texture detail/resolution > screen output resolution

 

[Bernkastel]

Well developers are exited about so why not wait the reality...



Wrong again.
Most are 3rd-party devs.

And saying you are excited about something is not equal to defending something.

All I can see in you is bias against PS5.

You don’t believe the lead design of the console.
You don’t believe 3rd-party developer being excited about it.

The so called 3rd party devs never said PS5 is better, only first party and ex-first party.

Regarding those that are not Sony in that list
Matt Philips


Mike Evans


Dale North


This dude composed for Dragon Fantasy Book II(PlayStation Vita, PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 and later WiiU), Sparklite(multi-platform) and Wizard of Legend(multi-platform).

Olivier JT


Randy Pitchford


So, this SSD jargon is mostly Sony devs and their circlejerk. Instead of checking what they said you jut quoted a Ree post and used it for your SSD PR.
I on the other hand quoted an actual dev who worked on big companies like Valve and Space X. The guys actually praising PS5 are indie devs and Randy(who is making a PS5 exclusive). The AMD dude is just saying both are great.

 

[ethomaz]

The so called 3rd party never said PS5 is better, only first party and ex-first party.

False.
And better <> excited.

 

[sircaw]

I think everyone should watch that coretecks video, so in depth.

Extremely pleasing especially if your a PlayStation fan, the fact that the guy is a pc guy and has no biased towards either console developer makes makes him comments carry even more weight.

 

[hyperbertha]

5.5 vs 2.5 > 10.3 vs 12.2. Its not rocket science.

 

[JägerSeNNA]

So you never played Star Citizen?
SSD in most cases doubles the framerate.

That just shows how PC devs are good back by old hardware.

On PS5,that almighty SSD handles everything which the GPU and CPU have to take care. That’s why the performance jump will be at least 4x higher than XSX.
Ohhh fuckkkk,I just broke my NDA but I guess you are good guy,don’t spread this somewhere else please

 

[Fulcizombie]

No need for all this anxiety , we WILL find out how the ps5 handles its GPU insane clock speed, the real number of TF the GPU is actually capable of and we will get to see the DF game comparisons. Just like with the 13 TF ps5 , that people who are trying to fight the good fight for Sony in this forum, were certain of, the truth will eventually come out. It will be glorious.

 

[ethomaz]

On PS5,that almighty SSD handles everything which the GPU and CPU have to take care. That’s why the performance jump will be at least 4x higher than XSX.
Ohhh fuckkkk,I just broke my NDA but I guess you are good guy,don’t spread this somewhere else please

What are you talking about?
Why made up shit?

 

[All_Might]

I don’t need to tell you anything, the word variable speaks for itself and DF has already explained how it will work. Even Cerny never dared to imply that you will have a 2.23 GHz running GPU all the time, he just sugarcoated it.

Well I understand your point, but you are mistaken about something, the gpu will run close to that number more often then not. Here is why:
When we for example run our game the cpu is most often not utilised at 100% load, that’s due to the different workloads in the engine and the capped frame rate in consoles and the like. That means even if you have hardware overhead, the game will not make use of it. This is the correct approach as you want to make sure that throughout your game the frame rate remains constant, even with heavier scenes, which is why a little overhead (a small number) is always fine. In fact this results in some idle power for the cpu. Now if used correctly Sony devs could simply use the additional power for the gpu making it run a little faster. But again same principle goes for the gpu, you constantly want to hit your fps target and to achieve that you have to assume a constant power target from your gpu. This is where this feature must work, otherwise you would see a lot of variable frame rates, which you as a game developer not really want to see. So if Sony could not provide a relatively speaking constant power target, they would not have implemented this feature. I believe it will work quite well. But again this will not migrate the power difference between the two consoles, Xbox is more powerful but not to the extent that some people believe. Instead, this in my opinion is the best generation we have ever had for game devs as both consoles provide everything you want from a next gen console.
Cheers.

 

[Psykodad]

Nobodys bashing PS5. They're just stating XSX is more powerful. Stating facts and bashing are two separate things.

XSX is 12TF sustained at all times for devs to play with. PS5 is more like 9.2tf with the potential to temporarily boost to 10.2tf for the Michael Bay moments. However, the console will not be able to stay in boost reaching up 10.2 at all times without major heating issues,hence the need for variable clocks. Its really straight forward

I'm not a tech-expert, but isn't the PS5 designed specifically to prevent heating issues, while keeping the system in boost-mode most of the time.

That's basically the entire presentation in a nutshell. The exact opposite of what you're saying.

 

[DForce]

The so called 3rd party devs never said PS5 is better, only first party and ex-first party.

They're not all first party devs.

What's funny is that you often quote some self proclaim developer to debunk so called PS5 information.

 

[JägerSeNNA]

What are you talking about?
Why made up shit?

No this is not shit,this is the truth. That SSD is so unique,it has some dGPU stuff inside of it. When the devs begin to use it effectively,most of the games will be running at 4K/120fps. Mark my words my child. This is a no joke situation.

 

[megreotsugua]

Cerny is no two bit console designer, he had a vision to remove the most problematic issues that cripples performance and that's exactly what he did......

Lisa Su said herself, Cerny is looking at revolutionizing console era for the next decade.

 

[Vroadstar]

X fans complaining about a thread but triggered enough to post in it. All those pent up emotions bursting in the seems.

 

[Rightisright]

It's 10.3tflops, so it might go down to 10.2 in very rare circumstances, as he mentioned a 'couple percent drop' in frequency. Or 10.1.

Both the CPU and GPU cant both be maxed out. If the GPU is at 2.23ghz, the CPU might only be able to clock at 3.0ghz, and likewise if the CPU is maxed at 3.5ghz, the GPU wont be able to run at 2.23, but might drop to 2.0ghz.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

I for one, am looking forward to both consoles, and am happy that Sony will have some strong opposition next gen.

 

[MilkyJoe]

I'm not a tech-expert, but isn't the PS5 designed specifically to prevent heating issues, while keeping the system in boost-mode most of the time.

That's basically the entire presentation in a nutshell. The exact opposite of what you're saying.

Are you serious?

 

[Bernkastel]

They're not all first party devs.

What's funny is that you often quote some self proclaim developer to debunk so called PS5 information.

You guys made a list of devs who praised PS5 and I separated the third party devs from that, none of them had jumped on the SSD jargon
Self-Proclaimed ?

Atleast post the original tweets by Richard Geldreich(worked at Ensemble, Valve and Space X) instead of a Gamingbolt article

Many of the devs jumping on PS5 SSD jargon are just sound designers for PS4 indie games.

 

[Vroadstar]

Seeing so many people who actually understand tech and devs who made games excited what PS5 will bring just shows PS5 will be another best selling console of choice in the making

 

[Bernkastel]

Lisa Su said herself, Cerny is looking at revolutionizing console era for the next decade.

AMD only made an official post on XSX not PS5

Microsoft & AMD Supercharge Console Gaming with the Xbox Series X

I am excited to share some of the details that Microsoft announced today on Xbox® Series X, and how it is built upon the partnership with the team at AMD. Together, we have relentlessly pushed the innovation boundaries of gaming devices for the last 15 years. Today, AMD and Microsoft are...

community.amd.com

 

[Pallas]

X fans complaining about a thread but triggered enough to post in it. All those pent up emotions bursting in the seems.

Sony fans still grasping at the SSD secret sauce. Who really cares though?

Playstation is going to have the better SSD solution, possibly the better audio solution too. Xbox is going to have the better teraflop Number and a lot more CU’s.

 

[Psykodad]

Are you serious?

I am.

Didn’t Cerny say that they designed the PS5 to use constant power so the cooling is designed to have it run at max power, specifically to prevent heating issues?
Also, that the PS5 runs at 10.2Tf most of the time and only downclocks at certain heavy workloads.

 

[thelastword]

5.5 vs 2.5 > 10.3 vs 12.2. Its not rocket science.

5.5 GB/s + lots of custom IO silicon > 2.5GB/s

10.3TF + lots of custom GPU silicon = 12.1TF Traditional....Or will be pretty close.to 12.1TF......Series X will win in some games, 10.3TF will win in some games....As far as game design that can't be replicated as easily elsewhere, PS5 will have the lead...

 

[Bernkastel]

Seeing so many people who actually understand tech and devs who made games excited what PS5 will bring just shows PS5 will be another best selling console of choice in the making

Sure buddy

 

[Bernkastel]

5.5 GB/s + lots of custom IO silicon > 2.5GB/s

10.3TF + lots of custom GPU silicon = 12.1TF Traditional....Or will be pretty close.to 12.1TF......Series X will win in some games, 10.3TF will win in some games....As far as game design that can't be replicated as easily elsewhere, PS5 will have the lead...

Is this the new narrative ?

 

[Aceofspades]

What are you talking about?
Why made up shit?

Passive aggressiveness at its finest.

To me it seems like we have more people "concerned" and/or trying to dismiss PS5 SSD than others praising it.

Numbers are laid there, PS5 can handle more Raw data in a second than XsX can handle compressed!! And that's a massive advantage bigger than anything else between the two systems.

 

[Vroadstar]

Sony fans still grasping at the SSD secret sauce. Who really cares though?

Playstation is going to have the better SSD solution, possibly the better audio solution too. Xbox is going to have the better teraflop Number and a lot more CU’s.

Yet here you are