Ellery
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The Series X is a gigantic jump from the Xbox One X. It is much bigger than Xbox One -> Xbox One X. Maybe not in terms of GPU TFLOPS, but in every other aspect the Series X is going to make the Xbox One X look like a NES.
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Phil Spencer: XGS titles for the “next couple of years” will be cross-gen
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The Series X is a gigantic jump from the Xbox One X. It is much bigger than Xbox One -> Xbox One X. Maybe not in terms of GPU TFLOPS, but in every other aspect the Series X is going to make the Xbox One X look like a NES.
REE Machine
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Funny how i make this thread and it gets closed down as "bait" yet this one remains open, either mods with some favouritism or they getting just as sensitive as reeee lately.
anyways this is stupid and whatsthe point of coming out with a new box then if your literally saying "hey we have this but we dont want you to buy it"
also the game scaling is bs, anyone remember how xbox360 shadow of mordor played as well as a gimped nemesis system...yeah
anyways this is stupid and whatsthe point of coming out with a new box then if your literally saying "hey we have this but we dont want you to buy it"
also the game scaling is bs, anyone remember how xbox360 shadow of mordor played as well as a gimped nemesis system...yeah
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
So are we going to start a new thread every time something that is already known is repeated?
A couple years is longer than 2 years?
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Gravemind
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Talking about something old doesnt make it new.
You cherry picked the one thing out of that article that you thought would stir people up. Just be honest. You do this all the time with your threads.
You're free to do what you like but dont be mad when someone calls you out for it.
Stuart360
Member
Well judging from this post, your thread probably had biased console warz baiting and fud. So the mods did a good job i think.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
I had a friend bring this to my attention and I argued that the XSX version will be dragged down a bit being it has to run on the other hardware.
He then said "its no different from playing a game on a high end PC then playing the same game on a low/mid tier pc". I then explained why thats not true but he seems dead set that his example is bulletproof.
Is there a way someone can potentially explain it that maybe will help him understand?
He then said "its no different from playing a game on a high end PC then playing the same game on a low/mid tier pc". I then explained why thats not true but he seems dead set that his example is bulletproof.
Is there a way someone can potentially explain it that maybe will help him understand?
Hobbygaming
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I guess we'll find out in a week
Journey
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Playing said games at 4k @ 60fps or with RT enabled is all batshit crazy stuff, amirite? So I can play the game on Xbox One at 720p resolution and 30fps, good luck with that vs HDR 4K/60, yea no benefit at all.
How about we wait until the console releases along with the games, there will be plenty of crow to go around when PS5 version of games look the same despite said games NOT being on PS4 lol.
Arkam
Member
This is an odd strategy when you have the more powerful console. Why hold yourself back for enough time for your competitor to announce a "pro version" that further ups the ante. I am not sure if this is a brilliant long term strategy that simply has growing pains.... or is this just the reality of some poor assumptions and needing to play it out? As an X1X owner I am happy that I can keep using that for another year if I want to check out MS exclusives. BUt then at the same time, it's weird that they seem to not want to sell me a new console.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
I would temper expectations for sure...
Why would anyone buy an XSX for power at this point? It's not going to materialize into anything relevant
Why would anyone buy an XSX for power at this point? It's not going to materialize into anything relevant
kretos
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Well Phill is the one who talked about it, maybe you should explain to him on twitter that he shouldn't talk about old news
if mods think this is not thread worthy they can close it no big deal
This post should basically come with a "Sponsored" logo on it. The "most powerful console" doesn't mean anything if there are no games built to harness its power. The XB1 is going to hold XSX back, and Sony is going to have a field day.
Journey
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This may have been an issue a few generations ago, but engines and programming tools have evolved to be much more scalable. There's also the factor that launch games have NEVER taken advantage of new hardware, so it stands to reason that during this transition you can have crossplatform games having little to no effect at all.
Gundam Crossfire being exclusive to PS3 had ZERO impact on it's visuals, it still looked like shit because it was a lunch title at the time where developers were still learning how to program for the PS3, likewise some early PS4 titles look nowhere near as good as later titles regardless if they were on other platforms, meanwhile a game like Red Dead Redemption 2 is on multiple platforms, yet looks better than some exclusives.
Bottom line, people are making the cross platform idea a bigger issue than it really is. Like I said, there will be plenty of crow to pass around once the games arrive.
REE Machine
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This literally is a copy and paste of my thread even the title so how is it bait esp if MS says whats in the actual article and title?
my opinion is this is a stupid idea and will either make a shitty xbox one version or a gimped series x version
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oldergamer
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All the haters are gonna look stupid next week when a cross gen game looks better then anything shown on ps5
Drunkensamurai
Member
They don't want to leave the GamePass users on Xbox One behind and their first-party games are not ready so they will be upscale for XSX (4k).
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
next week you will see a lot of games that look worse than what Sony showed
REE Machine
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Im still waiting for them to show a better looking game than God of War, Tlou p2, Ghost of Tsushima or even Detroit on current gen hardware
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REE Machine
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PC atleast has minimum specs for games to work now your expecting a console with a lack of power To run games that are meant for next gen. The xbox one couldnt even run Scalebound which got cancelled and dead framerate 3 properly but we want them to run games that are supposed to be played on a Series X properly...?
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Drunkensamurai
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We will see, they've been doing a lot of PR talk lately about this topic so I dought it.
SleepDoctor
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New thread for something that's been said months ago? Lol
Epic deal really hurt a lot of feelings here.
Epic deal really hurt a lot of feelings here.
Dory16
Banned
the answer is that all the games that will come out in the first 2 years CAN be made on the older console. Some would run like crap but they would still run. Including the Medium. The devs of that game said they couldn't provide the SAME experience on current gen and nobody ever said the opposite. For the ultimate experience, get the most powerful console. Sounds fair and balanced to me. I won't complain about the imaginary Halo game that I could have had on the XSX if it only was allowed to run on the XSX. That game would be Halo Infinite. I expect it to be 4k60 at least on the XSX and to have miserable performance on the XSX. If anything, that's a just incentive to give people with regards to upgrading.
I doubt the Series X and S versions are the same as the Xbox One versions. I truly think that Microsoft is outsourcing the Xbox One ports of their next-gen games. Look at Halo Infinite, it has many external teams working on it.
My expectations of the differences between versions on Halo Infinite:
* Hub-based on the Xbox One (something similar to The Witcher 3). Seamless open-world on Xbox Series S and X.
* Difference in AI (they will not dumb down the AI, but they will change the AI to be able to run on the Xbox One while providing the same "feel" experience the Series X will provide).
* NPC numbers difference. Series X will have more NPCs on screen.
* Physics difference. The game will be more "physical" on the Series X.
Basically, the Xbox One owners will be treated with a game that is tailored for their console. This will fulfill the statement 343 mentioned before: Xbox One owners will not be second-class tiered customers. Why I find this whole thing plausible? Because Microsoft did it before with Forza Horizon 2.
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Drunkensamurai
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Can somebody bring back Peter Moore and the Xbox 360 team to run Xbox again? Phil and his team are going to destroy the Xbox brand.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
I want a real time lighting engine(voxel or triangle raytracing) and environmental level destruction on the level of Control or better in Halo Infinite. A day/night cycle as well to show off that dynamic lighting.
firegamer273
Member
thats cool they are not forcing to upgrade to xsx right away .
Shmunter
Member
When you run your tech business like some socialist equality experiment, you can kiss your business goodbye.
MS has painted themselves into a corner with gamepass - all their games available to Xbox gamers AND PC support with the low HDD baseline. You can’t have games targeting a new gen while supporting the above initiatives at the same time.
They have made their choice and sacrificed the usual generational leap. Thrown enthusiasts under a bus in favour of a wide casual approach. Kinect 3.0 all over again.
While I’m not an Xbox supporter any longer, I’m peed because this will undoubtedly shape many 3rd party strategies meaning less innovation for the rest of us.
Idiots. I’ve said my piece.
MS has painted themselves into a corner with gamepass - all their games available to Xbox gamers AND PC support with the low HDD baseline. You can’t have games targeting a new gen while supporting the above initiatives at the same time.
They have made their choice and sacrificed the usual generational leap. Thrown enthusiasts under a bus in favour of a wide casual approach. Kinect 3.0 all over again.
While I’m not an Xbox supporter any longer, I’m peed because this will undoubtedly shape many 3rd party strategies meaning less innovation for the rest of us.
Idiots. I’ve said my piece.
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GenericUser
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A couple of years? Wtf? At least it's only for Xbox/pc exclusives. They are trash anyway, so nothing of value was lost.
Why they do this it beyond me though. Doesn't it make much more sense to prominently show the strength of the new system, especially in the early days where console enthusiasts are your main audience? Many Sony exclusives are also mediocre at best, but at least stuff like horizon looks next gen.
Why they do this it beyond me though. Doesn't it make much more sense to prominently show the strength of the new system, especially in the early days where console enthusiasts are your main audience? Many Sony exclusives are also mediocre at best, but at least stuff like horizon looks next gen.
This isn't every game, it's Xbox Studios titles.
There will be plenty of third-party games that use the power.
Tschumi
Member
I'm kind of thinking... What's the point of a new generation now? And why are you holding back from flexing your technical muscles a bit? Isn't that the reason you focus on pseudo-relevant TFLOPs, because you're trying to sell your huge power?
You're sending a mixed message. On the one hand you're all about power, on the other hand you're saying that you will be generating games that can also work on a Xbox one for years after launch?
Is that the most developer-friendly approach? Getting them to downgrade their babies to fit with this model? Being too demanding of developers is what went wrong with the PS3, right?
And how does this match up with you ceasing to produce xBox One? You're mandating production of games that are for a console you don't even make anymore?
Microsoft... Nintendo and Sony are both more successful than you, and one thing those two hold in common at least is their commitment to flagship titles from flagship series. And you're not even going to make the new Halo a XSX exclusive?
Above skepticism aside:
This does seem to be a customer friendly gesture, in certain ways. Though it would be like a bread bun company putting a bit of salted caramel in every flavour to satisfy the 5% of their clients who are hipsters by law.
You're sending a mixed message. On the one hand you're all about power, on the other hand you're saying that you will be generating games that can also work on a Xbox one for years after launch?
Is that the most developer-friendly approach? Getting them to downgrade their babies to fit with this model? Being too demanding of developers is what went wrong with the PS3, right?
And how does this match up with you ceasing to produce xBox One? You're mandating production of games that are for a console you don't even make anymore?
Microsoft... Nintendo and Sony are both more successful than you, and one thing those two hold in common at least is their commitment to flagship titles from flagship series. And you're not even going to make the new Halo a XSX exclusive?
Above skepticism aside:
This does seem to be a customer friendly gesture, in certain ways. Though it would be like a bread bun company putting a bit of salted caramel in every flavour to satisfy the 5% of their clients who are hipsters by law.
abacab driver
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It'll be funny to see what people say if MS shows better looking games than than Sony on the 23rd.
This.
The funny thing is..if MS's games show better on the 23rd (whether by a little or a lot), nobody is going to say "Wow thats impressive..imagine the quality in 2 years when they are developed exclusively for the Series X."
They'll just put whatever negative spin on it they can.
Meanwhile, PS5 games from Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch and Bend aren't even coming until *at least* 2 or more years in.
This.
The funny thing is..if MS's games show better on the 23rd (whether by a little or a lot), nobody is going to say "Wow thats impressive..imagine the quality in 2 years when they are developed exclusively for the Series X."
They'll just put whatever negative spin on it they can.
Meanwhile, PS5 games from Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch and Bend aren't even coming until *at least* 2 or more years in.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I'm bookmarking this thread for the 23rd.
Qudrat Rabbi
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some of us are skeptical after years of them underdelivering. But will definitely be buying good games when they make them.
Psykodad
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It might lower their existing installbase even more.
They're going to have a PR nightmare.
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Shmunter
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Just listening to this discussing the very topic. What’s amazing are the hosts, the chair doesn’t even know the name of the next Halo game, the girl admits to never using her Xbox because everyone plays on PS4, the other guy has sold his Xbox and upgraded his gfx card. Only McCafery is holding the Xbox flag here.
Inept hosts, or just a sign of the Xbox mindshare slipping daily?
Inept hosts, or just a sign of the Xbox mindshare slipping daily?
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FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
Really depends what game you are talking about though. Psyconauts 2? I’d expect a game of that caliber to look close to an Xbox One game in 4K 60fps with ray tracing, so yeah sure, some games will look worse in that regard but probably on par with the AA stuff shown at Sony’s presser. Not bad looking, but not what people expect to see when you mention the words “next gen”.
Halo Infinite? Fable? Forza? Everwild? I expect them to be on the level of what Sony showed if not better.
eastwood333
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FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
Why would it lower their install base when all games will look and play better on Series X? If I want the best looking games the choice is easy, buy a Series X.
Only the pleb would buy a PS5 to play the inferior version of yearly favorites like Call of Duty or Madden, the decision is quite obvious here!
Backwards compatibility I can understand but why on earth would you ensure forwards compatibility for the XBOX One when you're also ending production?
Why not just abandon the XBOX One (since its no longer in production this should be easy) and ensure that the XBOX Series X isn't hobbled by gameplay targeted to older specs?
Why not just abandon the XBOX One (since its no longer in production this should be easy) and ensure that the XBOX Series X isn't hobbled by gameplay targeted to older specs?
eastwood333
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They didnt abandon Xbox One. Xbox One S is going to continue being manufactered.
All Xbox games are forward compatible because you will be able to play them on future Xbox consoles.
Potato Chip PRO
Member
Is this comparable back when PS2 was also being supported along side the PS3??? Either way, Im curious to see how this will pan out.
93xfan
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it all depends on the game. Forza 8 can have some next gen physics and features in the next gen version, not too different from next gen sports games that come out on prior consoles as well. Forza Horizon 2 had different environments off-road and lacked some races and had not rainy weather in the 360 version. For each game, it will depend on how much work the developers want to do.
Halo Infinite may still have loading corridors though. We will see
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SlimySnake
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Xbox is surprisingly popular in the u.s and u.k for whatever reason. its popular with cod bros and other shooter fans. i think they will stick with the console next gen. they were fine with a weaker console, a pretty underwhelming lineup of exclusives and kinect, they will be ok with some cross gen games.
I think Phil knows this and his main plan is the lockhart. he wants to go after the $299 market that comes into play 2-3 years down the line and goes for the slim. He wants them on day one, and who knows? i think it might work. this audience doesnt know about specs or care about them. you tell them a $299 console is available and they will go buy it. switch's success is proof that no one gives a shit about specs.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Boring
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
Why do people keep saying this but can’t provide any proof of it? Sure it’s fine to mention things, but without anything to back it up, why should we take this as anything more than fud? What if Forza 8 comes to Xbox One but the Series X version ends up looking better than Gran Turismo 7, what will you say then?
Also, how will it not materialize into anything relevant when all multiplatform comparisons for the next 7 years will show that Series X is the clear winner in all cases?
Psykodad
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"It's just upscaled Xbox One games. PS5 will have real next-gen games."
That'll be word of mouth. It's already starting.
Even Spencer is indirectly preparing you to lower your expectations, while trying to sell you an XSX at the same time.
But everyone's free to interpret it their own way.