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Your avatar is killing me

Maybe i'm dumb, but i don't understand why female protagonists must necessarily resemble Disney princesses.

Why do Disney princesses look like Disney princesses in the first place, then?
Little girls are supposed to see them as role models, be inspired by them, “identify” with them.
Very curious, then, that those princesses are abso-fucking-lutely attractive, all of them, no matter what shit they’re going through, no matter what camera angle you see them through.

Why, then, should a video game woman NOT look like a Disney princess? Good question, innit?
Maybe - just maybe - it’s because, no matter what the narrative tries to tell you, a game like Horizon is still mostly a male gamer’s interest (and that’s bad! bad!) and that means that a female character will be subject to the infamous demeaning male gaze (which also happens to be bad! bad!).

 

[RedWhiteBlue]

OH NO NO NO NO NO

Jesus, that's just embarrassing.

 

[strange headache]

OH NO NO NO NO NO

 

[GHG]

The Internet in 2021 is such a ruthless place

No mercy is shown, anything that could happen will happen.

 

[Nikodemos]

She's a bit chonkers for a wilderness survival-type. Such people tend to look somewhat more gaunt.

 

[longdi]

aloy looks more attractive on ps5.
a bit of weight gain.
you guys are crazy.

 

[Audiophile]

While I thought she looked attractive in the first game, that's generally irrelevant. I don't care if the character is attractive, it's more that they have an original character with which they find success and they seemingly change them, with the pattern increasingly becoming: 'make them less traditionally attractive and feminine'. And it's not a fat/thin thing, her bone structure looks different and her cheeks jarringly puffy.

 

[hyperbertha]

I mean, she just doesn't look good here - kind of fat-faced with a bad haircut and pretty thick peach fuzz.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they did it on purpose to make her look less attractive - liberals think they're being terribly progressive when they make women less hot. And the original HZD's story was already so glaringly woke and feminist if you stop to think about it's kind of ridiculous: a horrible white man (of course) causes the literal apocalypse because he betrayed the smartest most perfect woman ever and her loyal rainbow flag coalition of scientists. And the woman then reincarnates herself as a savior for the new world who goes around rescuing kings and giving them lectures for hitting on her.

Every male character in the game is totally useless and subservient except for Rost - and the whole first part of the game with Rost feels like it was tacked on just to give a bit of balance to the storyline as it has no real reason to be there and it doesn't end up tying back in to the story in any way.

The main problem I have with the first story is how its a direct rip off off mass effect. The events take place in the exact same manner down to the last detail. I have zero doubts in my mind its plagiarized. They just swapped the reapers with something else.

 

[RedWhiteBlue]

aloy looks more attractive on ps5.
a bit of weight gain.
you guys are crazy.

Nah.

PS5 Aloy is the kind of woman who's heard "oh shit, I've got football at 10.30" on a good few Sunday mornings. A legitimate 10 pinter.

 

[deriks]

 

[GHG]

aloy looks more attractive on ps5.
a bit of weight gain.
you guys are crazy.

 

[strange headache]

 

[Bernd Lauert]

OH NO NO NO NO NO

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Leave my Aloyita alone.

 

[RedWhiteBlue]

We criticized HZD for having bad-looking water and boring traversal, GG fixed that. It's not that devs don't like people criticizing them, but people need to come up with valid criticism and Aloy's face ain't it.

How is it not valid criticism?

Picture the scene. My copy of HZD2 drops through the letter box. So I drop a couple of Bongo Bill's Blue Banjo Pills cos Bruce Willis finds it difficult to get into a role these days, if you know what I mean.

Put the disk in and get the kleenex and strawberry flavoured lube with aloe vera ready to go. I apply only the best wanking sauce to John McClane's baldy napper. What's this? Fucking downloading an update? 3 hours!?

Jesus Christ. So now I have to hitch my scants back up and wait for McClane to calm the fuck down while this bastard downloads.

Later that evening I am finally all set up again and ready to go. Balls bluer that my trusty "prescription" cock drops. Ready to work my wanking spanner until carpal tunnel syndrome is an inevitability.

Load up the game and I am faced with this hambeast? Come on, man! How is that fair? How is that not a valid criticism?

Its bad enough having to put on the old Cider Visor to deal with women in real life. You gotta do this to my video games too?

 

[Duchess]

It actually looks like this is a recent change to her appearance? This is from the first trailer:

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Nah.

PS5 Aloy is the kind of woman who's heard "oh shit, I've got football at 10.30" on a good few Sunday mornings. A legitimate 10 pinter.

 

[RedWhiteBlue]

OH NO NO NO NO NO

I legitimately can't get over the fact that she posted this genuinely trying to show what a "real woman" looks like.

With that bow she just looks like a giant overgrown baby. She looks like one of the twins from Rugrats!

 

[cormack12]

She's getting absolutely blasted on her twitter lol, but then why ask for it......



Plot twist: its the same guy.

 

[Venom Snake]

Your avatar is killing me




Why do Disney princesses look like Disney princesses in the first place, then?
Little girls are supposed to see them as role models, be inspired by them, “identify” with them.
Very curious, then, that those princesses are abso-fucking-lutely attractive, all of them, no matter what shit they’re going through, no matter what camera angle you see them through.

Why, then, should a video game woman NOT look like a Disney princess? Good question, innit?
Maybe - just maybe - it’s because, no matter what the narrative tries to tell you, a game like Horizon is still mostly a male gamer’s interest (and that’s bad! bad!) and that means that a female character will be subject to the infamous demeaning male gaze (which also happens to be bad! bad!).

There are many reasons why female protagonists may or may not be attractive, yes. Your argument is convincing enough, if we can find one that is equally in favor of a different vision, then in fact anything that does not exceed the moral consensus is equally allowed.

 

[RedWhiteBlue]

She's getting absolutely blasted on her twitter lol, but then why ask for it......



Plot twist: its the same guy.

Wow. That's just spectacular.

You just imagine her heaving out one monsterous blue-veined tit and this tiny wee guy squeaking "will you marry me".

Imagine lying back and watching this Lovecraftian nightmare undressing in front of you. Thats the kind of thought that could break a man. Goddess, indeed.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Its bad enough having to put on the old Cider Visor to deal with women in real life. You gotta do this to my video games too?

Man, I'm struggling while tearing from laughter, but that Cider Visor is new, so let's see what it is...

Urban Dictionary: cider visor

The teenage version of beer goggles. A side affect of too much Ice Dragon or White lightning. Makes even the ugliest bog trotter look like a ride.

www.urbandictionary.com

 

[Julius Ibidus]

Wow. That's just spectacular.

You just imagine her heaving out one monsterous blue-veined tit and this tiny wee guy squeaking "will you marry me".

Imagine lying back and watching this Lovecraftian nightmare undressing in front of you. Thats the kind of thought that could break a man. Goddess, indeed.

 

[Coolwhhip]

OH NO NO NO NO NO

Yes that's what someone on Twitter looks like...

my god

Unironic "do better'"

 

[Thavash]

The Internet in 2021 is such a ruthless place

No mercy is shown, anything that could happen will happen.

What if Sony see this and implements ?

 

[Pedro Motta]

You seriously squirrel simping bro

Without seeing your face, I can tell you look like a cockroach.

 

[HotPocket69]

What if Sony see this and implements ?

They won’t do a thing

 

[BabyfaceRe]

Why can't we have beautiful women in our western games anymore?

I'm so sick of this trend, it's just old by now.

By what metric is Aloy not beautiful?

I'm so sick of weirdos acting like any character who isn't modelled to be a 10 is considered to be not beautiful. You'd be lucky if a woman looking like Aloy wanted to spend time with you. By the way people talk in these forums its like they are straight lady killers in real life, women flock to them and they wouldn't touch anything less than a 10.

Get your beauty standards in check people.

 

[Coolwhhip]

By what metric is Aloy not beautiful?

I'm so sick of weirdos acting like any character who isn't modelled to be a 10 is considered to be not beautiful. You'd be lucky if a woman looking like Aloy wanted to spend time with you. By the way people talk in these forums its like they are straight lady killers in real life, women flock to them and they wouldn't touch anything less than a 10.

Get your beauty standards in check people.

 

[longdi]

idk madm, unlike Abby, aloy has to trudge through treacherous post apocalyptic world without sun screen or any skin products. she probably has to stuff herself more when food available and also strength training etc.

very hot warrior she is turning out to be

 

[Decontamination Silo]

I pushed back a little bit when people said the chick from Control looked like Bruce Campbell in drag. Noting it was just like that from certain angle. After studying the trailer and still images in this thread I can confirm they fucked Aloy up though.

There are only 2 possible explanations for this:

1. They wanted to make Aloy a slam pig to virtue signal for eaters
2. Guerilla sucks at graphics

I think it's somewhat clearly #1. The worst part about it for me is it doesn't look like the bone structure of someone with fair skin and red hair. Has a very Mongolian or African head shape. I'm curious to see a side profile picture to examine the forehead slope and how far the jaw juts out to go further down this path.

Other possibilities are she's pregnant in game or her BF in game has a stuffing/feeding fetish. Maybe there will be a feeding minigame mechanic.

None of the above speculation will stop me from buying the game if the gameplay is fun though. Of all the information from the trailer the most disturbing thing to me is the look of the tribal armor. Much like the skull shape, it's an aesthetic not common to fair skinned people and almost circus like. I much prefer the armor aesthetics in HZD. Can anyone find a historical example of fair skinned or white people wearing head dresses or similar clothing aesthetic?

 

[BabyfaceRe]

I pushed back a little bit when people said the chick from Control looked like Bruce Campbell in drag. Noting it was just like that from certain angle. After studying the trailer and still images in this thread I can confirm they fucked Aloy up though.

There are only 2 possible explanations for this:

1. They wanted to make Aloy a slam pig to virtue signal for eaters
2. Guerilla sucks at graphics

I think it's somewhat clearly #1. The worst part about it for me is it doesn't look like the bone structure of someone with fair skin and red hair. Has a very Mongolian or African head shape. I'm curious to see a side profile picture to examine the forehead slope and how far the chin juts out to go further down this path.

Other possibilities include she's pregnant in game or her BF in game has a stuffing or feeding fetish. Maybe there will be a feeding minigame mechanic.

None of the above speculation will stop me from buying the game if the gameplay is fun though. Of all the information from the trailer the most disturbing thing to me is the look of the tribal armor. Much like the skull shape, it's an aesthetic not common to fair skinned people and almost circus like. I much prefer the armor aesthetics in HZD. Can anyone find a historical example of fair skinned or white people wearing head dresses or similar clothing aesthetic?

Neither. It's the new animation's. Chill.

 

[Decontamination Silo]

Neither. It's the new animation's. Chill.

You're saying Guerilla is unable to animate women's faces without adding 20lbs?

 

[vodka-bull]

I mean I'd much rather smash Aloy than that meme tall vampire lady from RE8 weebs were thirsting for.

God that was a dumb fad, half of them were probably still trying to jack off while she was mid transformation, weirdos.

Well then again, the vampire lady would probably do you whereas you‘d be able to do Aloy. Apples and oranges.

 

[BabyfaceRe]

You're saying Guerilla is unable to animate women's faces without adding 20lbs?

You think shes 20 pounds heavier ? Based on her face being more plump ?

Have you seen how motion capture works when the character model differs from the actual actor ?

You think guerilla seriously, sincerely sat down and said if we want to make more sales if we want to improve this game , then Aloy needs to be fatter ?

 

[Julius Ibidus]

idk madm, unlike Abby, aloy has to trudge through treacherous post apocalyptic world without sun screen or any skin products. she probably has to stuff herself more when food available and also strength training etc.

very hot warrior she is turning out to be

 

[GymWolf]

How do you go from this:

To this:

When we know they clearly had to have improved their facial scanning tech for the sequel title.

 

[Decontamination Silo]

You think shes 20 pounds heavier ? Based on her face being more plump ?

Have you seen how motion capture works when the character model differs from the actual actor ?

You think guerilla seriously, sincerely sat down and said if we want to make more sales if we want to improve this game , then Aloy needs to be fatter ?

I think it's more likely than Guerilla not being able to animate a women's face without adding 20lbs. Have you somehow missed the trend of forced virtue signaling in game and media? It's probable that anyone ordering forced virtue signaling would completely miss the point that someone with Aloy's lifestyle would be in prime athletic condition.

 

[Party McHardy]

I bet many meetings were held to get that masculine jawline just right!

 

[HotPocket69]

You think guerilla seriously, sincerely sat down and said if we want to make more sales if we want to improve this game , then Aloy needs to be fatter ?

No, but I think they probably sat down and decided to go along with the current woke philosophies of the gaming press and industry and went with toning down her former feminine features and making her look a little more ambiguous in the gender/sexuality department.

Considering that a majority of popular “reviewers” out there are men who wear dresses, gay females and overall screechers, I’d say that the decision most certainly makes sense in today’s environment.

 

[vodka-bull]

OH NO NO NO NO NO

No problem with that. But then stick to your BMI and don‘t suddenly develop skinny arms while the face stays chubby.

 

[BabyfaceRe]

No, but I think they probably sat down and decided to go along with the current woke philosophies of the gaming press and industry and went with toning down her former feminine features and making her look a little more ambiguous in the gender/sexuality department.

Considering that a majority of popular “reviewers” out there are men who wear dresses, gay females and overall screechers, I’d say that the decision most certainly makes sense in today’s environment.

This has no basis in reality though does it and is more people theorizing based on political trends.

Business care about facts and data not opinions, so let's recap:
Horizon was a smash hit success with no evidence to point to liberals not buying coz Aloy too pretty or conservatives not buying coz too manly.
Aloys character in general was lauded for being fantastic and in particular was praised for her gender having very little to do with her personality. She has realistic interactions with the opposite sex and at no point is her sex used as a plot point e.g. only a strong woman can do this.
Aloys visual design has never been seen as overly beautiful or conforming to insane beauty standards. You may not remember but we had the EXACT same threads for the first game coz she was "not pretty enough".

So to you, all of that points to guerilla being incentivised to make her fatter/uglier to produce more revenue? The majority of gamers are still men and the majority prefer pretty over ugly, if anything they would be incentivised to make her prettier.

The fans are caught up in the politics. The business only cares about money. Unless you can point to this huge audience that Guerilla is now getting invested in the game due to fat Aloy I have to assume your chatting utter shit and just spraying your own personal opinions.

 

[Hayabusabruh]

Looks like Sony has it's "Craig" now.

 

[HotPocket69]

..just spraying your own personal opinions.

Well yeah, that’s what this place is for you dummy

Also I didn’t read your tism wall of text either

BabyfaceReeeeeee

 

[The Chairman]

She's getting absolutely blasted on her twitter lol, but then why ask for it......



Plot twist: its the same guy.

"so time to revisit the place I occasionally post nudes"

 

[BatSu]

 

[nbkicker]

Maybe she just got a nut allergy and had a snickers bar while out racing across the sands

 

[longdi]

I bet many meetings were held to get that masculine jawline just right!

wut? Hzd Aloy had more male jawline than Fw.

Imo GG has been respectful to their ip and fanbase. The new Aloy is attractive and makes ingame sense. They even kept her golden locks and sashing running hips animations. What more does the fans want?

if this was niel cuckmann game, you bet he will turn Aloy into a bald she hulk with purple face paint and a new lesbian lover partner

 

[Sinthor]

This has no basis in reality though does it and is more people theorizing based on political trends.

Business care about facts and data not opinions, so let's recap:
Horizon was a smash hit success with no evidence to point to liberals not buying coz Aloy too pretty or conservatives not buying coz too manly.
Aloys character in general was lauded for being fantastic and in particular was praised for her gender having very little to do with her personality. She has realistic interactions with the opposite sex and at no point is her sex used as a plot point e.g. only a strong woman can do this.
Aloys visual design has never been seen as overly beautiful or conforming to insane beauty standards. You may not remember but we had the EXACT same threads for the first game coz she was "not pretty enough".

So to you, all of that points to guerilla being incentivised to make her fatter/uglier to produce more revenue? The majority of gamers are still men and the majority prefer pretty over ugly, if anything they would be incentivised to make her prettier.

The fans are caught up in the politics. The business only cares about money. Unless you can point to this huge audience that Guerilla is now getting invested in the game due to fat Aloy I have to assume your chatting utter shit and just spraying your own personal opinions.

You're forgetting one factor...the people who actually work on and develop the games. It's no secret that there are a lot of the 'woke' types in the development houses. You see statements quite often that reflect this. So the developers make the games they imagine and create, right? So it makes sense that their beliefs or ideology would shape those games.

Also, since there is such loud and vocal minority of these folks in the customer base as well, it's quite possible that they think they can ensure good sales or better sales by conforming to the new groupthink. Why not? I mean, look at games from the 80's and how those were slanted for the times. You think anyone would ever dare to creat 'Duke Nukem' now in 2021???

 

[Dregnel]

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