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[rickybooby87]

You'd think a new tech like this that has been hyped so much would be used in a game that was marketed as using it.

I understand what you are saying, and it has been true before.

But a tech this tailored into the platform should already show max potential from the beginning.

This isn't devs pushing better textures at the cost of other things like an acceptable framerate, but a specialised tech that should be used by a first party developer.

This is the stupid xbox one secret sauce all over again.



You won't get any redemption, because these cerny desciples will still call you an idiot and make some other excuse to why it didn't happen.

The most recent one is "well they port the games to pc and pc won't be able to play them if Sony used the secret sauce so pc holding ps5 back"

Resident Evil Village says hi.

 

[Snake29]

I think my favorite is the "let's see what happens in three years" crowd. You geniuses realize that the console will be bottlenecked by other parts of the system long before they can saturate a 5.5gb/s drive during gameplay, right?

I'll go ahead and say it right now, we will not see a single PS5 first party game that will be an issue for this drive...not one. And even if it magically happens, who cares? You still have an internal drive, put this unicorn of a game on it and call it a day, which makes the FUD about slower drives even more hilarious.


Imagine how far the goalposts have moved since the PS5s release. None of y'all were pulling this "first generation game" bullshit last year, or even six months ago. He'll even a month ago you guys were claiming that a slower drive wouldn't run R&C up to par and yet here we are.

Go read the threads, it's hilarious.

No, it's actually NOT "much faster". No HMB on PS5 makes it significantly SLOWER than its rated spec. I bet money the XSX drive would run R&C exactly the same.


Cut the shit, bro. This is literally what you guys are doing in this thread and have been doing all year. Look in the mirror for fucks sake.

I think xbox fans need to look in the mirror with all the crap they spreaded over the PS5 and brainwashed bullshit directly believed from Xbox before launch.

attacking launch games too - totally out of context. nice!

This post should be saved as and example of well... crazy fanboy

Out of context? No those are some of the lies from Xbox, together with their power narrative that directly stopt at release, their "best launch line-up ever" (never happend), what about "best played multiplatform titles from start".

Nothing they tweeted about happend, and still you guys living in that same dream hoping this will ever happen.

And yet you come here and trying to push the "fUlL rDnA2" shit, and you said it yourself:

"time will tell i guess - noone here knows this for sure yet"

Well...then shut the f*ck up, none one cares.

Xbox fanbase is far too concerned with the competitor's console instead of their own and the company behind it. Maybe they should start proving what they told the world so nicely 1.5 years ago.

You'd think a new tech like this that has been hyped so much would be used in a game that was marketed as using it.

I understand what you are saying, and it has been true before.

But a tech this tailored into the platform should already show max potential from the beginning.

This isn't devs pushing better textures at the cost of other things like an acceptable framerate, but a specialised tech that should be used by a first party developer.

This is the stupid xbox one secret sauce all over again.



You won't get any redemption, because these cerny desciples will still call you an idiot and make some other excuse to why it didn't happen.

The most recent one is "well they port the games to pc and pc won't be able to play them if Sony used the secret sauce so pc holding ps5 back"

Why? Are there rules for that, that this has to be done from the start? Did you just come into the world or something? Haven't you experienced another console generation? None of the consoles have ever used max potential from the start.

 

[The_Mike]

Resident Evil Village says hi.

Resident Evil Village can say hi to my butt cheeks, game is a mess on pc.

 

[On Demand]

I've literally said this, months before the release. People would get big mad at me for stating the obvious. And now when it gets proven, I can finally get my redemption.

Oh look, another clown that thinks they know what they’re talking about.

Hey there clown, slower SSD’s are still going trough the PS5’s custom I/O complex.

This test is pretty meaningless and doesn’t confirm or tell you anything about PS5’s SSD performance. All it basically doing is showing that slower extended storage, works. That’s it.

 

[rickybooby87]

Resident Evil Village can say hi to my butt cheeks, game is a mess on pc.

Booty cheeks or not, the difference in loading times across all three platforms are stark. There isn't even a loading screen on PS5, just a fade to black. How do you explain that?

 

[sankt-Antonio]

I think we will have to wait a lot longer then usual to get PS5 games going anywhere near the SSD cap. The (maybe Covid related) decision to make almost all of their 2021/22/23 games cross platform is to blame for that. If they had this plan initially I bet Sony would have gone for more GPU and less SSD in the hardware cost allocation.

MS, imo, always had a clear platform spanning vision, so it made a lot of sense from the beginning to get as much horsepower as possible into the machine. In hindsight the better choice.

 

[On Demand]

Nahh it was just said it was overkill right now and this DF seems to prove it for current games.

Trust me I am all onboard wanting to see what someone can do with these speeds but having been a console gamer since the first Atari I can tell you I am super thrilled with the SSD speeds in both my PS5 and XSX as is

But it doesn’t prove anything though. The game is still running through PS5.

A more accurate test would be the game on another platform using their specific SSD and I/O.

Use common sense people. Not videos suggested by the Discord green team.

 

[Red_Driver85]

No HMB on PS5 makes it significantly SLOWER than its rated spec.

"You have Intellectual Constipation". ©
Accessing to part of system RAM via PCIe (HMB) is much slower than accessing the DRAM chip that resides on the ssd itself. If you don't understand this, then I think it would be better for you to learn some information about HMB and dram buffer. And you had to do it before you started writing nonsense.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

But it doesn’t prove anything though. The game is still running through PS5.

A more accurate test would be the game on another platform using their specific SSD and I/O.

Use common sense people. Not videos suggested by the Discord green team.

lol recommended by Discord green team a video that many others have tested that todays games work on slower drives?

Sadly its time to put this thread on ignore as there are just too many people not using a lot of brain cells here

 

[Riky]

Ow it's Xbox, time will always tell. You're already trying to cover your ass. Just talk talk and talk talk. This will be no different the entire generation.

And since “none” knows it for sure, you guys keep spreading it as if this “FULL RDNA2” thingy is the final countdown.

So yes, that tweet from Xbox back then was pure marketing, since they couldn’t claim the “most powerful console” narrative anymore. They needed something else since their launch was also laughable bad with no games.

*Checks Amazon Series X page*

Still says "World's Most Powerful Console"

As for FULL RDNA2 we've actually seen evidence of this with Tier 2 VRS, Xbox has up to 30% higher resolution despite being only 18% more powerful on Doom Eternal, and the developers stated that it meant less DRS scaling and they wish all formats had it.
That's a real world example right now and that's before SFS, Mesh Shaders and the additional customisations MS made with SFS Filters and ML.

 

[Snake29]

Oh look, another clown that thinks they know what they’re talking about.

Hey there clown, slower SSD’s are still going trough the PS5’s custom I/O complex.

This test is pretty meaningless and doesn’t confirm or tell you anything about PS5’s SSD performance. All it basically doing is showing that slower extended storage, works. That’s it.

This is the crucial part all those clowns don't want to understand.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I think my favorite is the "let's see what happens in three years" crowd. You geniuses realize that the console will be bottlenecked by other parts of the system long before they can saturate a 5.5gb/s drive during gameplay, right?

I'll go ahead and say it right now, we will not see a single PS5 first party game that will be an issue for this drive...not one. And even if it magically happens, who cares? You still have an internal drive, put this unicorn of a game on it and call it a day, which makes the FUD about slower drives even more hilarious.


Imagine how far the goalposts have moved since the PS5s release. None of y'all were pulling this "first generation game" bullshit last year, or even six months ago. He'll even a month ago you guys were claiming that a slower drive wouldn't run R&C up to par and yet here we are.

Go read the threads, it's hilarious.

No, it's actually NOT "much faster". No HMB on PS5 makes it significantly SLOWER than its rated spec. I bet money the XSX drive would run R&C exactly the same.


Cut the shit, bro. This is literally what you guys are doing in this thread and have been doing all year. Look in the mirror for fucks sake.

I said this before.

The fact Sony's SSD guide sheet said "recommended 5.5 gb/s" goes to show they arent even serious about making gamers get a minimum 5.5gb/s spec drive to ensure game compatibility and performance. They had tons of other "must-dos" gamers had to check off before the SSD works but the gb/s was up in the air. If there is an SSD on the market that ran at 1 gb/s but satisfied all other requirements it would probably work.

And going by the WD 750 3.2gb/s test, it ran R&C fine, and the loading time was literally what? A decimal's worth of longer loading time. Talking 0.1 or 0.2 seconds extra. And R&C is supposed to be the posterchild of PS5 SSD requirements.

If game and system performance was to be drastically cut off at the knees, or worst of all didn't even boot up with lower than 5.5 spec drives, Sony would had mandated a minimum spec SSD like...... 5.5 gb/! What a concept huh?

The fact they are floaty on the speed requirement and R&C did fine with a 3.2gb/s drive shows Sony knew the whole time slower SSDs can work and they are so sure about game compatibility and performance, they arent even going to bother stating a min drive speed.

Just let gamers use whatever SSD fits the spec and size checklist, but speed rating is optional.

 

[RafterXL]

"You have Intellectual Constipation". ©
Accessing to part of system RAM via PCIe (HMB) is much slower than accessing the DRAM chip that resides on the ssd itself. If you don't understand this, then I think it would be better for you to learn some information about HMB and dram buffer. And you had to do it before you started writing nonsense.

Thanks for backing up exactly what I said. This SSD relies on HMB for max rated speed, which is slower, and doesn't even exist on the PS5! So the drive cannot even perform to its full specs and is SLOWER than its rated specs because of it. It wasn't a dig at the precious PS5, it was a dig at the fact this drive has no DRAM at all.

Next time you want to insult someone you should probably understand what the fuck you are talking about.

 

[Lysandros]

I'm sympathetic to the criticism that an innovation that can only be used for exclusive games does seem pretty compromised, but yeah, ultimately we're going to have to wait to see the results to really know If it was the right call.

If Sony just calculated that multiplatform games would run at a slightly lower resolution, but that their big games would look WAAAY better, then that might turn out to be a good trade off. It's not an implausible scenario.

Most of the multiplatform games are running at resolution parity with single digit/miniscule FPS differences favoring either console as for now and i don't think the picture will change to significant degree in the future. Maybe Sony 'calculated' exactly this..

 

[phil_t98]

Both the internal SSD and any external SSD connect to the same SSD Controller which goes through the same I/O Complex in the APU… so, your argument here makes little sense.

The most console warty argument one can take out of it (ignoring any performance dips in the game the article seems to mention, etc…) is that Insomniac has not tapped out the disk yet throughput wise (which they admitted early on). Free to stretch it into “Cerny over specced the SSD by 2+ times, what a fool”, it kind of helps framing the posts and posters that do so.
Edit: oh well, speaking of which…

map if the I/O can make a slower SSD run the spec they needed why put the faster SSD in there in the first place??!!

It just just shows that other than loading the game in the first place there is to much overhead with the 5.5gb when playing the games

 

[sainraja]

I think my favorite is the "let's see what happens in three years" crowd. You geniuses realize that the console will be bottlenecked by other parts of the system long before they can saturate a 5.5gb/s drive during gameplay, right?

I'll go ahead and say it right now, we will not see a single PS5 first party game that will be an issue for this drive...not one. And even if it magically happens, who cares? You still have an internal drive, put this unicorn of a game on it and call it a day, which makes the FUD about slower drives even more hilarious.


Imagine how far the goalposts have moved since the PS5s release. None of y'all were pulling this "first generation game" bullshit last year, or even six months ago. He'll even a month ago you guys were claiming that a slower drive wouldn't run R&C up to par and yet here we are.

Go read the threads, it's hilarious.

No, it's actually NOT "much faster". No HMB on PS5 makes it significantly SLOWER than its rated spec. I bet money the XSX drive would run R&C exactly the same.


Cut the shit, bro. This is literally what you guys are doing in this thread and have been doing all year. Look in the mirror for fucks sake.

Man, you really want to live and die by what is discussed on a discussion forum? It's stupid....unless the people discussing technology are heavily involved in the background process, they are going to discuss topics based on information they have on hand and talking points are going to CHANGE. It's normal, it happens.

And why is everyone so quick to reach conclusions? Regardless of what happens in the future, there hasn't been a generation yet where developers were able to get the most out of a system the first year of its release. It really hasn't happened yet. There is a lot both consoles have yet to offer.

 

[Red_Driver85]

it was a dig at the fact this drive has no DRAM at all.

It doesn't matter if the custom PS5 ssd controller that is used to communicate with the m.2 nvme drive has this dram-buffer. Still, it is worth checking the best information, including the hardware of "precious PS5".

 

[Snake29]

map if the I/O can make a slower SSD run the spec they needed why put the faster SSD in there in the first place??!!

It just just shows that other than loading the game in the first place there is to much overhead with the 5.5gb when playing the games

Because you don't know howe developers will use the internal SSD and I/O complex in the future. Developers will always develop for the internal SSD that is much faster in general, It also ensures that developers don't have to worry about future games running on the added internal SSD. The SSD you add complements the internal one.

I don't understand what is so hard to think logically, that this console should last for years to come?

Man, you really want to live and die by what is discussed on a discussion forum? It's stupid....unless the people discussing technology are heavily involved in the background process, they are going to discuss topics based on information they have on hand and talking points are going to CHANGE. It's normal, it happens.

And why is everyone so quick to reach conclusions? Regardless of what happens in the future, there hasn't been a generation yet where developers were able to get the most out of a system the first year of its release. It really hasn't happened yet. There is a lot both consoles have yet to offer.

 

[Panajev2001a]

map if the I/O can make a slower SSD run the spec they needed why put the faster SSD in there in the first place??!!

Maybe you do not design a console to be maxed out by first generation software!? A console needs to last a few years.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

I said this as well. You can have the fastest SSD and IO in the world pushing incredible amounts of detail per second, but the GPU still has to be powerful enough to render it. At what point does the 10 tflops GPU become the bottleneck?

I like the innovation in the I/O, I dont understand the fascination with a 5.5 GBps SSD that NO third party dev is going to use. Not even the ones they have contracted so far. Kena, Deathloop, Ghostwire Tokyo, Returnal before Housemarquee were bought out, Forspoken, FF16. That's a lot of timed or second party exclusives and no one used it like Insomniac did. Third party devs wont bother going over 2.4 GBps, if that. They will be limited by the SATA SSDs that top out at 500 MBps since internal NVME SSDs still arent mainstream yet.

So what they have done is conceded an 18% minimum advantage to the competition for an advantage in loading. Or an advantage in 1 or 2 games that we have not seen yet and we have seen 10 exclusives from them so far.

P.S The RAM bandwidth might be a bigger bottleneck than a 10 tflops GPU. The 448 GBps has to share the load with CPU which could explain why Hitman was locked to 1800p on the PS5 while the 5700xt a GPU with fewer tflops was easily able to run it at 60 fps on average at native 4k ultra settings no less. I think Cerny deserves a lot of criticism for the bandwidth decision alone. Especially since it came at the expense of a faster SSD.

SlimySnake Please don't take this the wrong way. I love your posts, as you often have a voice of reasoning. You don't just pick a side, and defend it like the majority of fanboys on this site, as you are not a fanboy.

Oh look, another clown that thinks they know what they’re talking about.

Hey there clown, slower SSD’s are still going trough the PS5’s custom I/O complex.

This test is pretty meaningless and doesn’t confirm or tell you anything about PS5’s SSD performance. All it basically doing is showing that slower extended storage, works. That’s it.

And here goes the clown, with a clown hat, and clown shoes to go with it. Introducing O On Demand !

I don't think you understand a single word of what you are trying to convey. I literally said the game doesn't require 5.5gbps, 9gbps, etc. All the clowns like yourself jumped on my posts, and didn't think for a second to use common sense, basic logic, etc. You all look like idiots now that my hypothesis was 1000% correct all along.

 

[sainraja]

Because you don't know howe developers will use the internal SSD and I/O complex in the future. Developers will always develop for the internal SSD that is much faster in general, It also ensures that developers don't have to worry about future games running on the added internal SSD. The SSD you add complements the internal one.

I don't understand what is so hard to think logically, that this console should last for years to come?

His point is still valid. I can't think of a good reason why they'd want a scenario where devs have to account for the onboard internal storage and added storage separately.

 

[RafterXL]

Man, you really want to live and die by what is discussed on a discussion forum. It's stupid....unless the people discussing technology are heavily involved in the background process, they are going to discuss topics based on information they have on hand and talking points are going to CHANGE. It's normal, it happens.

And why is everyone so quick to reach conclusions? Regardless of what happens in the future, there hasn't been a generation yet where developers were able to get the most out of a system the first year of its release. It really hasn't happened yet. There is a lot both consoles have yet to offer.

Oh, please. It has nothing to do with "live and die" it has to do with the constant kicking the can down the road. People have been making authoritative statments about this stuff and when they are finally revealed to be false they make new authoritative statments that just push the timeline, rinse, repeat. Then when people call them on their bullshit, you guys jump in and talk about "talking points ". They aren't talking points, they're just ways to push a narrative that hasn't been true without having to ever admit you might have been wrong. This time next year we'll still be having these "untapped speed" and "first gen game" will become "second gen game" nonsense arguments with the same people.

 

[Snake29]

Maybe you do not design a console to be maxed out by first generation software!? A console needs to last a few years.

 

[kyliethicc]

map if the I/O can make a slower SSD run the spec they needed why put the faster SSD in there in the first place??!!

Seems like Cerny wanted 5 GB/s raw read just as a general goal. Could be for many reasons. They also didn't know how fast the SSD in the next gen Xbox was going to be when designing the PS5. A 5 GB/s raw read SSD does offer some benefits over even a 4 GB/s raw read SSD. Just depends on if its actually being used fully. Wouldn't surprise me if the goals of current PlayStation leadership (Jimbo, Hulst) don't entirely line up with what Cerny wanted to create back when he started in like 2017.

 

[THE DUCK]

Feisty thread. Understood that it's early in the consoles life cycle, but we are a year in and it now appears the vaunted SSD speed so loudly proclaimed as one of the reasons the PS5 was superior to the X has seriously been diminished by this reveal.
Remember, Sony believes in gen.........errrr wait, remember, Sony has all the best gam .......errrr wait ......a lot of great games!!!
Still, relax PS5 owners, while the PS5 may not be better than the X, it's still great, the machine delivers the games in a very nice way, your self esteem is intact!

 

[sainraja]

Oh, please. It has nothing to do with "live and die" it has to do with the constant kicking the can down the road. People have been making authoritative statments about this stuff and when they are finally revealed to be false they make new authoritative statments that just push the timeline, rinse, repeat. Then when people call them on their bullshit, you guys jump in and talk about "talking points ". They aren't talking points, they're just ways to push a narrative that hasn't been true without having to ever admit you might have been wrong. This time next year we'll still be having these "untapped speed" and "first gen game" will become "second gen game" nonsense arguments with the same people.

People making authoritative statements are making those based on what? Think about that for a minute. The fast speed that the PS5's onboard internal has, at-least on paper, is faster or is that wrong? People are naturally going to expect that it will provide some benefits; if not now, perhaps in the future.

Seems like Cerny wanted 5 GB/s raw read just as a general goal. Could be for many reasons.

They also didn't know how fast the SSD in the next gen Xbox was going to be when designing the PS5.

A 5 GB/s raw read SSD does offer some benefits over even a 4 GB/s raw read SSD. Just depends on if its actually being used fully.

Wouldn't surprise me if the goals of current PlayStation leadership (Jimbo, Hulst) don't entirely line up with what Cerny wanted to create back when he started in like 2017.

^^ people forget how dynamic the ecosystem is. Goals/plans can be influenced or changed based on 'new' information.

 

[On Demand]

lol recommended by Discord green team a video that many others have tested that todays games work on slower drives?

Sadly its time to put this thread on ignore as there are just too many people not using a lot of brain cells here

Yes that’s exactly what I said. Are you on their Discord? This is nothing new. Don’t you know about the other Discord discussions that got posted here before the consoles launched? Their whole agenda is to slander PlayStation.

All the PS5 FUD since last year came from them. Grown man fanboys circle jerking each other on Discord.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Yes that’s exactly what I said. Are you on their Discord? This is nothing new. Don’t you know about the other Discord discussions that got posted here before the consoles launched? Their whole agenda is to slander PlayStation.

All the PS5 FUD since last year came from them. Grown man fanboys circle jerking each other on Discord.

And Sony paid to have partnership with discord. Ironic huh?

Announcing PlayStation’s new Partnership with Discord

At PlayStation, we’re constantly looking for new ways to enable players around the world to connect with one another, form new friendships and communities, and share fun experiences and lasting memories. It’s in this spirit that we’re excited to announce a new partnership with Discord, the...

www.sie.com

So is Sony spreading anti Sony FUD now? There's no logic in your post, yet again.

 

[mckmas8808]

I think we eventually will see some games use this speed at some point but who knows when or even if that happens.

I will say this several of us watched the road to ps5 reveal and the actual PS5 full reveal and even then some higher up people within Xbox laughed and said that SSD was way too overpowered and Sony spent way too much time and money on it as it would never become the norm outside of a small handful of games MAYBE

We shall see someday

The good thing is we KNOW for a FACT that some guys will use the full SSD's power in a few years. And many of us will recognize it and realize it was all worth it. This happens will every console release. All it takes is a handful of games to make it worth it.

 

[On Demand]

SlimySnake Please don't take this the wrong way. I love your posts, as you often have a voice of reasoning. You don't just pick a side, and defend it like the majority of fanboys on this site, as you are not a fanboy.



And here goes the clown, with a clown hat, and clown shoes to go with it. Introducing O On Demand !

I don't think you understand a single word of what you are trying to convey. I literally said the game doesn't require 5.5gbps, 9gbps, etc. All the clowns like yourself jumped on my posts, and didn't think for a second to use common sense, basic logic, etc. You all look like idiots now that my hypothesis was 1000% correct all along.

Your “hypothesis” is 100% BS since you and everyone else are coming to the wrong conclusion.

Using a slower drive in the PS5 tells nothing about the onboard 5.5GB SSD performance.

Using a slower drive is still being boosted by the SSD controller and I/O. So it isn’t just a regular 2GB-3GB SSD. The PS5 hardware is still taking advantage of those slower drives.

 

[SpokkX]

I think xbox fans need to look in the mirror with all the crap they spreaded over the PS5 and brainwashed bullshit directly believed from Xbox before launch.



Out of context? No those are some of the lies from Xbox, together with their power narrative that directly stopt at release, their "best launch line-up ever" (never happend), what about "best played multiplatform titles from start".

Nothing they tweeted about happend, and still you guys living in that same dream hoping this will ever happen.

And yet you come here and trying to push the "fUlL rDnA2" shit, and you said it yourself:



Well...then shut the f*ck up, none one cares.

Xbox fanbase is far too concerned with the competitor's console instead of their own and the company behind it. Maybe they should start proving what they told the world so nicely 1.5 years ago.



Why? Are there rules for that, that this has to be done from the start? Did you just come into the world or something? Haven't you experienced another console generation? None of the consoles have ever used max potential from the start.

So this is what they mean by rabid man-child fanboy? Have not payed much attention to console warriors and I am sorry to say… it is not charming to see

i love both consoles (and nintendo) - that does not mean they are perfect.

this concept is obviously foreign to you

 

[Md Ray]

Resident Evil Village can say hi to my butt cheeks, game is a mess on pc.

Not anymore. It was a denuvo related issue that later got patched after Capcom got their asses handed to them when the game got cracked.

 

[phil_t98]

Maybe you do not design a console to be maxed out by first generation software!? A console needs to last a few years.

Well am pretty sure a lot of people claiming that the rachet and unreal 5 demo couldn’t run on other consoles or pc, when in fact we know these things are possible.

were you somebody in the unreal 5 demo thread claiming it could only be run because of the ps5 SSD?

 

[phil_t98]

Because you don't know howe developers will use the internal SSD and I/O complex in the future. Developers will always develop for the internal SSD that is much faster in general, It also ensures that developers don't have to worry about future games running on the added internal SSD. The SSD you add complements the internal one.

I don't understand

y, that this console should last for years to come?

Agree and I am thinking logically, if games are to start streaming data at 5.5gb per second off the SSD how big do you think game install sizes are going to be?

think about it logically, that will be some insane game size

 

[On Demand]

And Sony paid to have partnership with discord. Ironic huh?

Announcing PlayStation’s new Partnership with Discord

At PlayStation, we’re constantly looking for new ways to enable players around the world to connect with one another, form new friendships and communities, and share fun experiences and lasting memories. It’s in this spirit that we’re excited to announce a new partnership with Discord, the...

www.sie.com

So is Sony spreading anti Sony FUD now? There's no logic in your post, yet again.

What does Sony partnering with Discord have to do with fanboys who use it to promote FUD?



These companies can’t control what people do. lol.

 

[SlimySnake]

The good thing is we KNOW for a FACT that some guys will use the full SSD's power in a few years. And many of us will recognize it and realize it was all worth it. This happens will every console release. All it takes is a handful of games to make it worth it.

We do?

What games do we know for a fact that will use all 5.5 GBps of the PS5 SSD?

 

[mckmas8808]

I'm sympathetic to the criticism that an innovation that can only be used for exclusive games does seem pretty compromised, but yeah, ultimately we're going to have to wait to see the results to really know If it was the right call.

If Sony just calculated that multiplatform games would run at a slightly lower resolution, but that their big games would look WAAAY better, then that might turn out to be a good trade off. It's not an implausible scenario.

Why? It's literally Sony's job as a platform holder to create a console that "IF" only 1st party games take advantage of something, then that's ALWAYS worth the price to include it. Nintendo has done this for YEARS! And it's because they "get it".

Ultimately MS, Sony, and Nintendo should always create things within their consoles\handhelds that they know for sure they'll take advantage of. They shouldn't base their innovation on if 3rd parties will take advantage of things. That's what the PC is for.

 

[mckmas8808]

We do?

What games do we know for a fact that will use all 5.5 GBps of the PS5 SSD?

We don't know the specific games yet. But we know that some games will, some day. This has ALWAYS happened with previous Playstation consoles. The most obscure things within the console gets to be used at some point. It's usually never within the first 2 years either.

So I'd say wait until the Fall of 2022 at a minimum (due to Covid, those games may be getting pushed back to Spring\Summer of 2023).

 

[Snake29]

We do?

What games do we know for a fact that will use all 5.5 GBps of the PS5 SSD?

What about 4,5GB/s or 5? I mean you still want to have headroom.

 

[phil_t98]

What about 4,5GB/s or 5? I mean you still want to have headroom.

Do you not think game sizes would be insane though to hit even that type of data usage

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Your “hypothesis” is 100% BS since you and everyone else are coming to the wrong conclusion.

Using a slower drive in the PS5 tells nothing about the onboard 5.5GB SSD performance.

Using a slower drive is still being boosted by the SSD controller and I/O. So it isn’t just a regular 2GB-3GB SSD. The PS5 hardware is still taking advantage of those slower drives.

So you are telling me that a SSD that is rated at 1 GBPS can magically become a 2gbps drive, just from the I/O, while bypassing the max SSD speeds?! Holy shit! Why would i buy a 7gbps SSD for my PC, if I can just get a magical 3.5gbps drive, and apply Cerny cecret cause!


Hint: compression can help, but you aren't turning a slower drive into a faster drive, by just the I/O. That's like me turning a 350HP car into 700HP by applying a new coat of paint. Not gonna happen.


Insult ontop injury occurred when you called me a clown, without realizing you got the entire clown outfit on, plus the clown car .

 

[SlimySnake]

We don't know the specific games yet. But we know that some games will, some day. This has ALWAYS happened with previous Playstation consoles. The most obscure things within the console gets to be used at some point. It's usually never within the first 2 years either.

So I'd say wait until the Fall of 2022 at a minimum (due to Covid, those games may be getting pushed back to Spring\Summer of 2023).

I dont know man. You said you knew for a fact.

Sony has announced just two next gen only games from today until 2023. Spiderman and Wolverine which is most likely a 2024 title. Which game do you see coming out in Fall 2022 that will be fully utilizing the PS5 SSD?

 

[RafterXL]

People making authoritative statements are making those based on what? Think about that for a minute. The fast speed that the PS5's onboard internal has, at-least on paper, is faster or is that wrong? People are naturally going to expect that it will provide some benefits; if not now, perhaps in the future.

You know exactly what these people are basing their statements on...the logo tattooed on their asses.

You can't honestly read comments from people with hundreds/thousands of posts, who are constantly slanted in one direction, that also just happen to move the goalposts any time the shit they spew isn't accurate, and believe that it's all innocent assumptions based on paper specs? No one is this naive.

Seriously, read the room. We've gone from "impossible" to "improbable" to "it technically works but will be worse" to "this game is first gen" to "wait 3 years", blah, blah, blah. It's never ending. We'll be at the end of the gen and these same people will find a way to spin this shit instead of maybe admitting they fell a little too hard for the marketing of their favorite toy.

And speak of the devil:

The good thing is we KNOW for a FACT that some guys will use the full SSD's power in a few years. And many of us will recognize it and realize it was all worth it. This happens will every console release. All it takes is a handful of games to make it worth it.

We literally do not know this. This is just an assumption with nothing to back it up. Literally not a fact.

 

[assurdum]

*Checks Amazon Series X page*

Still says "World's Most Powerful Console"

As for FULL RDNA2 we've actually seen evidence of this with Tier 2 VRS, Xbox has up to 30% higher resolution despite being only 18% more powerful on Doom Eternal, and the developers stated that it meant less DRS scaling and they wish all formats had it.
That's a real world example right now and that's before SFS, Mesh Shaders and the additional customisations MS made with SFS Filters and ML.

At this point I think you are a bot which send the same message over and over again in the forum. Incredible how much nonsense are in your arguments with just MS PR stuff.

 

[Snake29]

Well am pretty sure a lot of people claiming that the rachet and unreal 5 demo couldn’t run on other consoles or pc, when in fact we know these things are possible.

were you somebody in the unreal 5 demo thread claiming it could only be run because of the ps5 SSD?

Ratchet? Never seen a comment about that. I think the portals wouldn’t be the same experience right now on the pc. UE5, we haven’t seen the demo as a playable one on pc (only editor breakdown) and not the equal PS5 demo. Otherwise we would’ve seen a side by side by now.

DonJuanSchlong you must be a bot that only shows up when someone post “UE5”.

 

[JTCx]

*Checks Amazon Series X page*

Still says "World's Most Powerful Console"

As for FULL RDNA2 we've actually seen evidence of this with Tier 2 VRS, Xbox has up to 30% higher resolution despite being only 18% more powerful on Doom Eternal, and the developers stated that it meant less DRS scaling and they wish all formats had it.
That's a real world example right now and that's before SFS, Mesh Shaders and the additional customisations MS made with SFS Filters and ML.

Your whole post was straight up cut n paste from the amazon page.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Ratchet? Never seen a comment about that. I think the portals wouldn’t be the same experience right now on the pc. UE5, we haven’t seen the demo as a playable one on pc (only editor breakdown) and not the equal PS5 demo. Otherwise we would’ve seen a side by side by now.

More than likely Sony paid for that to NOT be a thing, hence their partnership and big ass payment to Epic. They can show the technology and the breakdown. Just can't show the demo on PC. It's odd they released a demo on PC, just not the ps5 one... Why do YOU think that is? Because PC can't run it? Or because of paid sponsorship?

The devs themselves have shown it runs much better on PC, and without having amazing specs (it can run in potato hardware with same or better results)


Snake29 you must be a bot to defend ps5, Sony, ps4, ect. Although you are here acting like you get paid by Sony, to shill all day.

Also, I love UE3/4/5 tech, so yes, I love discussion around that, although this might be the wrong thread for it. What did catch my attention, was the fact that I've been right all along about R&C not being anywhere near 5.5gbps. This is a fact

 

[Armorian]

No, it's actually NOT "much faster". No HMB on PS5 makes it significantly SLOWER than its rated spec. I bet money the XSX drive would run R&C exactly the same.

I have 3 SSD drives in my pc: One NVME for system and games (~2GB/s), one SATA MX500 (~0.5GB/s) and one Adata withe the same read speeds as the previous one but without any dRAM. All drives perform pretty much the same for gaming, without DX Storage games can't really use NVME speeds at this point and both SATA drives are great for gaming. But the one without dRAM? Yeah, this one has the same read speeds as any SATA drive so games are smooth sailing but... try to copy or write ANYTHING on it, it's fucking painful experience. Same for the drive used in the video, read speeds are enough (for now) for gaming but writing speeds without internal memory are fucking ridiculous. So yeah, HMB on PC probably helps it not shitting itself when writing files, and that's it.

 

[Hunnybun]

Why? It's literally Sony's job as a platform holder to create a console that "IF" only 1st party games take advantage of something, then that's ALWAYS worth the price to include it. Nintendo has done this for YEARS! And it's because they "get it".

Ultimately MS, Sony, and Nintendo should always create things within their consoles\handhelds that they know for sure they'll take advantage of. They shouldn't base their innovation on if 3rd parties will take advantage of things. That's what the PC is for.

Erm, surely they should prioritise whatever will result in the most console sales and overall revenue?

 

[DrAspirino]

PCs have PS5 I/O complex embedded on them now?..

Yes. Any NVME SSD on a decent PC has similar (if not better) SSD than the PS5. The main trick is software, NOT hardware, since the architecture is exactly the same.

Why do you praise so much Cerny and his "kinda normal" SSD like he was some kind of genius, when he's clearly not?

I mean... as a system architect, Dr. Christian Jacobi and his Z15 CPU for mainframes with massive L2 cache, or MSc. Johnny Srouji, with the extremely customized M1 CPU are far more innovative than what Cerny did with the PS4/5 (both of which are glorified x86 PCs).

To me, if a person can't create aunique architecture and/or innovate in ways that are impossible for regular PC manufacturers or builders, then that person isn't a true system architect, and is just another glorified PC builder (like Apple was before the M1, during the x86 era).