Performance slightly favours the PS5 but image quality I think is identical.
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[NXGamer] The Matrix Awakens: Tech-Demo Analysis - PS5 | SX | SS
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Why are you showing me this? my comment isn't based off of the DF comparison tool I'm talking about something else when it's in motion
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MatrixReloaded101
Member
But I thought the Series S was able to do everything that the Series X can do except in 1080p ....
We knew this but people was living in denial listening to Phil's PR talk about "scaling" .....
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Azurro
Banned
My first thought: "This looks incredible! Let's see how people feel about it on GAF"...I login and people are discussing 8x magnified pictures and whatnot, war never changes I suppose.
A couple of things that came to mind:
- The demo would have been better without the film grain effect though.
- I'm surprised at the quality of that third character given it's using Epic's metahuman plugin, good stuff looking forward
- I am glad to finally have a "next gen" moment, even if it did come at the price of 30 FPS. The 1080p is overblown given the reconstruction techniques used to increase resolution to...wait, was it reconstructed to 1440p or 4k? I forgot.
- Given how low the performance of the little retarded xbox is, it looks ok. Definitely shows off the scalability of UE5 in a PS4 to Switch port kind of way, although the differences are not as aggressive. Definitely looks much better on the PS5 and XSX and much better experienced there.
A couple of things that came to mind:
- The demo would have been better without the film grain effect though.
- I'm surprised at the quality of that third character given it's using Epic's metahuman plugin, good stuff looking forward
- I am glad to finally have a "next gen" moment, even if it did come at the price of 30 FPS. The 1080p is overblown given the reconstruction techniques used to increase resolution to...wait, was it reconstructed to 1440p or 4k? I forgot.
- Given how low the performance of the little retarded xbox is, it looks ok. Definitely shows off the scalability of UE5 in a PS4 to Switch port kind of way, although the differences are not as aggressive. Definitely looks much better on the PS5 and XSX and much better experienced there.
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That’s weird. Series s is clearer then x.
Hoddi
Member
I wouldn't read too much into it, personally. When you're streaming in (potentially) thousands of textures then it's often just chance that decides which textures get streamed in first. It's probably just an artifact of streaming more than anything else.
The XSS has the same performance SSD but streaming smaller assets so it won't be bottlenecked by the drive compared to a XSX. Pop in in other sections may not be SSD streaming related but GPU related. Multiple aspects can create pop in.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Sony Santa Monica, Infinity Ward and several other studios like Crystal Dynamics and Xbox's own Initiative are based out of LA. They do hire hollywood artists. Jason Rubin started hiring Hollywood talent at Naughty Dog way back in the early 2000s. He was adamant about hiring expensive artists because he knew even back then that they needed to compete with Hollywood.
This demo was made by Hollywood artists at Weta Digital AND folks over at Epic who are obviously not filmmakers.
The reason why you havent seen anything look this good on consoles is because of lack of ambition from the studio leads like Cory Barlog who admitted to making the decision to make GOW last gen (second time he's done this btw), as well as from execs like Herman Hurst, Matt Booty, Phil Spencer and Jim Ryan who wanted to make more money selling cross gen games instead of pushing the medium. The talent is there, but they are forced to slave away on 1.3 and 1.8 tflops consoles just so their bosses can get a yacht for Christmas.
Say what you will about Bethesda's quality control or lack thereof, but Todd Howard made the decision to go next gen only way back in 2017. His next gen only game will be one of the first ones out, albeit still in late 2022. And same goes for Ubisoft, derided by the entire gaming community as soulless open world producers, they are going to have a next gen only Avatar ready in 2022. That E3 trailer no longer looks too good to be true now, does it?
I am glad Epic has made not one but two demos showing whats possible on next gen consoles. It gives consumers an insight into just how corrupt and greedy this industry has become. We wont get visuals like this from first party for at least another year or maybe two when Spiderman 2 and Hellblade 2 launch in 2023. 3 years after launch.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
there are like six threads about this game. this is the comparison thread.
Try this one:
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I assume film grain effect is there to cover for the relatively low rendering resolution. And because the demo is supposed to promote a film
Gamerguy84
Member
That was pretty wild. "Played" on a 70 than a 55 inch. The 70" was great but the 55" was jaw dropping good.
Surely the games can't look quite that good but a few videos I seen from last night are trending towards it. How long until we see a UE5 big budget game. I don't care what it is I'm buying it.
Surely the games can't look quite that good but a few videos I seen from last night are trending towards it. How long until we see a UE5 big budget game. I don't care what it is I'm buying it.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Stalker 2 is coming in April.
Black Myth Wukong is also supposed to release next year.
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Azurro
Banned
Funny, but my commentary was how the differences are so difficult to find between PS5 and XSX that people are resorting to extreme magnification pics.
It's easier to discuss the differences between XSS and its big brother.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
I mean the technical question.
Reminds me of The order ....
Amazing graphics, but limited gameplay.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
I wonder if GTA 6 will be made using unreal 5. This demo is amazing.
ethomaz
Banned
Nope.
In-house engine called RAGE.
They have a whole studio only developing RAGE to the others studios use it.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Doubt it. Will be an evolution of their engine for RDR2.
1080p and 30fps is just too low for me. I actually don't mind the 30fps but it's hard to drop down from 60fps to 30fps. I'm thinking we won't ever get this fidelity in 60fps this gen which is a shame. It seems like Pro versions of systems will happen again to remedy this once games start lowering resolution and frame rate.
ethomaz
Banned
It is called RAGE (Rockstar Advanced Game Engine) and it is developed by RAGE Technology Group.
It already added support to PS5 and Series.
Last updated added DLSS support this year.
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
$300 device doing things last generation consoles can't. It is damn impressive and I can't find any sources saying it would only have resolution drawbacks.
Name one hardware feature the XSS lacks the XSX has. People swear they are making a revelation pointing out the XSS runs games at lowered settings. This seems to be a perfect case of scaling especially since you can't run this game on last gen consoles at all. It's up to developers to use the features they are offered.But I thought the Series S was able to do everything that the Series X can do except in 1080p ....
We knew this but people was living in denial listening to Phil's PR talk about "scaling" .....
i wouldn't expect a ton of games in the next 2-3 years to be utilizing lumen and nanite. Plenty of games in production today will not be taking advantage of these features. The games using them now are way in their infancy. Even if an upcoming game is using UE5 like Hellblade II it's a good chance it's not using nanite/lumen, but who knows. These types of experiences of 1080p 30 fps and all the UE5 bells and whistles will be very rare.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Really depends. does rockstar have a nanite equivalent? you can get ray traced lighting and reflections in any engine, but nanite is a beast and i highly doubt teams like Rockstar, Naughty Dog, and Ubisoft Montreal can implement something like this to their engines.
I think it's better they all ditch their engines and go with UE5. all these assets are available to every UE5 user. imagine how quickly they can make cities out of this. this massive city took 60-100 artists just over a year to build.
VeganElduderino
Member
Looks fucking awsome! one of the most impressive thing i've seen, it's just a taste of what's to come
OH it's 1080p, sooo ugly , burn it !
OH it's 1080p, sooo ugly , burn it !
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Here’s the thing. You would have never known the wiser if someone never told you. That’s the point of good reconstruction techniques.
It’s not even close to the same as 1080p native visually in comparison on final image display.
Tschumi
Member
okay, i hear u dude, but i just want to be clear... it's not a game, it's an interactive cutscene with some extra toys stuck to it, so comparing it to the order 1886, a full-fledged game, is... like comparing a drawing of a flower to a flower... i dunno how to say it
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Exactly
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
you right about that.
Its a shame is just a interactive cutscene.... i wish this Matrix game.... and im a person that its not a Matrix fan.
Tschumi
Member
agreed...
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my take:
this is the downside of digital foundry and their types, they're doing great things but dilettentes latch on to their videos for new grounds to criticize games... i could not give less of a shit what the numbers behind an image are, so long as it works fine. i'm sorry but 30 fps games don't look like slideshows. films are 24fps. saying '60fps or gtfo' is such bs... ditto 1080p, these images look pristine, who the fuck cares how they get there?
metroid prime was locked 60fps, does that mean it looks better than this matrix trailer? naaah mate.
frame pacing is another thing, if they haven't got the different framerates matching up correctly, or whatever, that's a thing that should be patched, that's a genuine immersion breaker... 30fps? 1080p? get fucked lolllll
totally with u there.
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Balducci30
Member
Jesus can’t help but laugh at the people posting screenshots magnified and shit - honestly it looks basically the same on every one of the consoles - and series s even. Like the difference in graphics is so negligible this generation arguing over it seems… really dumb to me
Exanthus
Banned
Man you are really trying.
InverseAgonist
Banned
The Xbox One was running at sub HD resolutions for an entire generation. With decent reconstruction, I don't see the big deal.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The PS5 is practically never flat on the frametime graph?
Yeah im not touching this one.
Just want to come in here and say TSR gets the job done.
Looking at the internal resolution when TSR is in play is pointless.
In motion, in game there near no chance any console warriors would be able to tell the internal res is 1080p.
And you guys are doing yourselves a disservice thinking too much about how the internal res is 1080p with TSR bumping it to 1440p.
Pretty much all Unreal Engine 5 titles will use TSR to reach target res.
Games will be 1080p or 1440p with TSR bumping to 1440p or 1800p(4K if youre lucky).
Its pretty much free UE4 used TAAU for a similar cost.
The final image is nigh indistinguishable from native for the vast vast vast majority of gamers.
And fuck it....we will get better visuals over all vs higher internal resolutions.
Native res is dead.
Yeah im not touching this one.
Just want to come in here and say TSR gets the job done.
Looking at the internal resolution when TSR is in play is pointless.
In motion, in game there near no chance any console warriors would be able to tell the internal res is 1080p.
And you guys are doing yourselves a disservice thinking too much about how the internal res is 1080p with TSR bumping it to 1440p.
Pretty much all Unreal Engine 5 titles will use TSR to reach target res.
Games will be 1080p or 1440p with TSR bumping to 1440p or 1800p(4K if youre lucky).
Its pretty much free UE4 used TAAU for a similar cost.
The final image is nigh indistinguishable from native for the vast vast vast majority of gamers.
And fuck it....we will get better visuals over all vs higher internal resolutions.
Native res is dead.
rofif
Banned
Film grain is a good to have feature to introduce dithering.I assume film grain effect is there to cover for the relatively low rendering resolution. And because the demo is supposed to promote a film
it helps battle gradient banding/posterisation.
Shame there is no hdr
Physiognomonics
Member
No plenty of people having tested both said the game was smoother on PS5.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yep. Resolution is the most overrated thing about video game graphics. I'd take higher fidelity assets over resolution any day.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Console has 3x less power than the Series X, and is rendering this demo at 720p rather than 1/3rd of the resolution. That’s why there’s other draw backs.
Dr Bass
Member
I'm gonna try to make this quick, but you're going completely off the deep end again.
First off, saying Bethesdas game is going to be "one of the first ones" (making next gen only games) is ... factually wrong. Not sure what that's all about but to the main point ...
You're honestly saying the industry is "greedy and corrupt" because they A) Want to still provide value to customers who purchased previous gen consoles and B) Make sure their game development is sustainable by not cutting off same gamers.
What you're literally saying is that if a dev doesn't cut off past gen when developing a game to worship at the alter of completely latest gen graphics they are, as you stated, "corrupt and greedy."
Seriously.
I kinda suggest you shut the hell up on this one because you're insulting a lot of very honest hard working people. I don't know if you're playing a character sometimes or if you really are this much of a nut job, but either way it's not a good look. And the reason you ACTUALLY haven't seen anything look this good on consoles is because UE5 is a completely new way of doing things on GPUs to get the kind of look they are achieving here. It has nothing to do with "lack of ambition" or "bosses who want yachts." You are acting like one entitled and silly fool when you say things like this. Epic put ten years of R&D into creating Nanite and Lumen, and then bringing it to market. They were able to do that because game engines are their business. For everyone you just called corrupt and greedy, making games is their business. Do you see a bit of difference there? Yes many studios of course make their own engines of course, but not everyone has the best minds in the business, or the ability to dedicate those kinds of resources to the R&D work necessary to make those breakthroughs. Not only that, it requires someone to actually HAVE that insight and vision for the breakthrough to even happen. It's not something that just happens by throwing money and time at it. We are fortunate that Epic has been able to make this breakthrough at this point in time, as it was certainly not guaranteed to happen. You come on this forum and act like you are entitled to this kind of visual performance and fidelity, and anyone who doesn't provide it for you is evil. Get. A. Life.
Also, while you publicly call known figures out for being lazy, greedy and corrupt in their careers, I would like to hear about the grand ambition you must be reaching for in your own endeavors? Surely if you can afford to throw stones the way you do, you are doing some world class work yourself yeah? Do tell please.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Because there is a limit in how low you can go with native resolution and you have a bigger than 3x gap once you factor in the lower clockspeed of the GPU (and somewhat the impact of bandwidth of the non GPU optimised memory pool if you need to feed the GPU from it). Being headroom in how far the bigger consoles can be pushed would make the gap with the S wider and not smaller and this is with one of the studios in MS that has most experience with UE helping to optimise the demo too. Series S Pro will probably be a looooot better thanks to a HW refresh at the right time, but then again the XSX Pro will also jump forward a lot and you will still have the original Series S to support… mmmh… if PS5 had been a single $449-499 SKU this pincher movement strategy MS had in mind would have been far more effective despite Series S still either holding back or being left behind mostly or just making development costlier…
Banjo64
cumsessed
The Series X is running this at 1080p. The Series S is 1/3rd the power of the Series X, running the demo at 720p (or just less than half the resolution). They need to make up the difference, if they’d chosen to run the demo at 540p or something you’d be in here laughing at that too.But I thought the Series S was able to do everything that the Series X can do except in 1080p ....
We knew this but people was living in denial listening to Phil's PR talk about "scaling" .....
The question is, how many PS5 and Series X games are going to be 1080p?
I do have to say it’s funny that people are just dog pilling the S again, even though the senior consoles are running this at 1080p 24fps. No criticism there though.
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DemonCleaner
Member
going back to halo infinite after peaking into this is kinda rough
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The frametime graph is nigh literally never flat....how is that favoring the PS5?
Riky
$MSFT
Also that framepacing is horrific on PS5 and like he says in the video that makes it feel far worse.
Maybe having the Coalition involved helped the Xbox versions quite a lot.
Riky
$MSFT
But I thought the Series S was able to do everything that the Series X can do except in 1080p ....
We knew this but people was living in denial listening to Phil's PR talk about "scaling" .....
The big consoles are only 1080p.......so you expect the Series S at a third as powerful to run it at the same resolution?
Please think before typing.