Darlingcognito
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Goldeneye, Perfect dark, Doom, Quake, Wolfenstein and Halo. What a pearless set of fps to have. Just hope MS makes full use.
what do you think about this?yeah, it's apparently really hard to understand that game code is owned by the company that made it lol...
licensing is not ownership dude
what do you think about this?
im literally arguing with you with sources and so far you haven't shown anything to back you up? how that works?Microsoft LITERALLY owns the game... LITERALLY... they don't own the bond license but these are 2 completely different things.
game code, game design, level design, most of the soundtrack (most of soundtrack is original to the game, many don't know that) and all the graphics that aren't depicting licensed likenesses
all of the above is owned by Microsoft (and partly Nintendo)
im literally arguing with you with sources and so far you haven't shown anything to back you up? how that works?
God help me. Do you know how easy is to prove this is wrong?how hard is it for you to grasp that if a game company develops a video game, that THEY OWN THE RIGHTS TO THAT CODE...
God help me. Do you know how easy is to prove this is wrong?
who owns Sackboy assets, flight simulator, smash bros?
the developer or the publisher?
edit: i would like to continue this argument but im tired lol was long night. regardless the future will tell. doesn't matter how much we argue about it will find out soon anyway.
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I’ve never seen someone so wrong in all my life.Cool, hopefully it comes out so that people can finally learn what an overrated game this really is and that the only reason you liked it is because you owned an N64 and didn't know any better. Nearly every other FPS released during that timeframe was better.
For the inevtible "hurdur I plAyEd OtHeR FpS ToO and I LikEd It"
Don't care, you're still wrong.
God help me. Do you know how easy is to prove this is wrong?
who owns Sackboy assets, flight simulator, smash bros?
the developer or the publisher?
edit: i would like to continue this argument but im tired lol was long night. regardless the future will tell. doesn't matter how much we argue about it will find out soon anyway.
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The Goldeneye 64 box states that Rare had (partial) ownership of the game.the publisher was Nintendo... so if anything Nintendo and Microsoft own the game.
also how hard is it for you to understand what game code is? what game design is? none of that belongs to anyone but the developers or to whoever the developer decides to sell it to.
Rare OWNS the code, WHICH I ALREADY TOLD YOU is evident by the fact that they reused a shitload of it in Perfect Dark. or do you actually think that Rare gave away a random amount of the game's code and design but held on to another random amount of it for themselves? "you can have that level and that code+assets for those weapons over there, and we keep the code and assets for these levels and these guns for ourselves!" does that make sense to you? does that sound plausible? I really hope that doesn't sound plausible to you because if it does you should seek professional help.
Rare used GoldenEye assets, code and designs in Perfect Dark, proving they own the game code and design. case closed
I’ve never seen someone so wrong in all my life.
Goldeneye was a classic because of the open mission structure and how replayable it was due to difficulty changes and unlocks. The multiplayer was also amazing at the time despite it running terribly.
I’m not sure how well it will hold up now but back then it was great.
Please let me know what FPS games were better at the time? I cant think of any that year that were better, especially on console.
I love it when people bring receipts.The Goldeneye 64 box states that Rare had (partial) ownership of the game.
And Perfect Dark's copyright notice only has Rare as the sole owner, which shows that they fully owned the reused Goldeneye assets (as 01011001 said).
rare own project dark and banjo that's why Microsoft owns them. not because of the cover saying '' the rare logo is a trademark of rare'' lmfaoI love it when people bring receipts.
I really can't tell whether you're trolling or not.rare own project dark and banjo that's why Microsoft owns them. not because of the cover saying '' the rare logo is a trademark of rare'' lmfao
Squall as his avatar. Yep, definitely a whiny emo bitch.Cool, hopefully it comes out so that people can finally learn what an overrated game this really is and that the only reason you liked it is because you owned an N64 and didn't know any better. Nearly every other FPS released during that timeframe was better.
For the inevtible "hurdur I plAyEd OtHeR FpS ToO and I LikEd It"
Don't care, you're still wrong.
I really can't tell whether you're trolling or not.
You said Rare didn't own anything from Goldeneye, but we know for sure they reused code and assets (including full levels) in Perfect Dark.
The copyright notice (not to be confused with trademark) does not mention any other third parties. Who owns these assets then?
What a trash poster. Why come to this thread, even?
Oh, and is the FF8 avatar meant to be ironic? You know there were much better RPGs at the time that didn’t force you to spend hours drawing your spells, right?
Edit: I appreciate your humor in the matter. I’m passionate about my nostalgia
On PC maybe, on consoles I don’t think so Tim. At the time nothing came close to offering that much between the weapon variety, mission structure, local multiplayer.Cool, hopefully it comes out so that people can finally learn what an overrated game this really is and that the only reason you liked it is because you owned an N64 and didn't know any better. Nearly every other FPS released during that timeframe was better.
For the inevtible "hurdur I plAyEd OtHeR FpS ToO and I LikEd It"
Don't care, you're still wrong.
Eh this will be the xbla version that leaked in 2021. Well on Xbox it will be. Nobody cares about the switch online version lolOne of the best games ever. I played this so much. It will forever be an important part of my childhood and I look back at this so fondly from both a personal level as well as its contribution to the gaming industry.
However, fuck replying this. Lmao it would play like utter shit in this day and age. And people are asking for online multiplayer? I hope you have some seriously low standards lol
What this game needs is a remake. A remake from a steady hand that knows what they're doing. Don't bring it into the modern age - fuck that. Keep it rooted in the 90's. But modernise it, somehow. I don't know how - I'm not a good enough designer to do it, but I'm sure there's someone out there that is (e.g. the team that brought Doom back to life with Doom 2016).
Now check the post history of the users who come into this thread with negative takes and do the math.and if it will be multiplat it will only be on Switch and Xbox.
What do you mean "Nintendo Rare"?the first error on your cover evidence is calling ''Nintendo rare''
Nintendo never own rare they had 49% of the share of the company.
you don't need to be an expert to understand that the reason MS got in the conversation was when they acquired rare.
Fromsoft is a different case. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they copy and pasted exact maps from Sony's games to Bandai's games, like Rare did with Goldeneye and PD.a clear example is how from reuses demons souls and bloodborne assets in dark souls and now in Elden ring. and at same time bluepoint remade demons souls using those same assets. sony could stop them but of course they wont for obvious reasons.
again ill post this video thats being ignored
Isn't Perfect Dark being still being available for purchase with all its Goldeneye assets enough evidence of Rare owning these assets? Again, we are talking about clearly distinguishable things like ported maps that have the same names. Not smaller things like in Fromsoft's case.do you think you were the first to find that cover? i found that first didn't use because is not evidence enough for the argument
ok so you just trolling the thread with fake concern all over it ?dude
anyway, there is no point arguing about it. only time will tell. my guess Nintendo license expired and this company is just getting a quick cash grab.
sorry, i guess for wanted better bond games or at least a decent port of this game.
Eh this will be the xbla version that leaked in 2021. Well on Xbox it will be. Nobody cares about the switch online version lol
no, i didn't lolI don't know if SLB put me on ignore or the browser is fucking up, but my last post was a reply to his and I can no longer tag him.
I guess my browser was fucking up. Sorry.no, i didn't lol
i was doing some water change in my tank. i wouldn't put on ignore for that lol
i dont know what we are talking about assets. we don't know the contract so its pointless talking about it.
like i said. whoever owns the game owns the assets, to be fair this topic is very ambiguous and kinda irrelevant. even if they didn't use the assets they could just make new ones which makes this argument pointless. case in point that new game from the creators of the battlefield if we didn't know better you would think they use battlefront assets.
our original argument was regarding the cover you post. it doesn't say anything about ownership but the logos.
which standard practice like something like this
nah its cool bro.I guess my browser was fucking up. Sorry.
The C in the notice stands for copyright; the trademark part is a separate thing. The copyright line means that a company has the right to use the property in specific ways, which includes assets like code, music, graphics, etc. Not just logos and trademarks.
Copyright and trademarks are two different terms. I'm sure you know that, but I explained it for the sake of clarity.
In Spider-Man's case, it means that both Sony and Marvel own parts of the Spider-Man game.
In Goldeneye's notice which I posted earlier, you'll see you see that Rare does actually have copyright ownership alongside Nintendo and 007 owners. We don't know what exactly Rare owns, but it's most likely the game assets, since they reused some of them in Perfect Dark and they can still sell PD today with no issue. And as I said, they lifted well-known assets from Goldeneye, not small things.
You said that Eon or Danjaq would have no use for the assets if they owned them and wouldn't care if Rare reused them. However, if another party owned these assets, Rare would be obliged by law to compensate them and show them in the notice. But since only Rare owns the reused assets, they were fine.
I know you mentioned Fromsoft earlier, but as I said Fromsoft never copied levels from one game to another.
You are right when you say that we don't know all the details. But it's clear that Rare does have ownership of some parts of the Goldeneye game (not the IP of course).
Sorry for flooding your notifications today. lmao
are you still salty about that game?Cool, hopefully it comes out so that people can finally learn what an overrated game this really is and that the only reason you liked it is because you owned an N64 and didn't know any better. Nearly every other FPS released during that timeframe was better.
For the inevtible "hurdur I plAyEd OtHeR FpS ToO and I LikEd It"
Don't care, you're still wrong.
Don't care, you're still wrong.
Here's your Goldeneye bro
licensing is not ownership dude
I hope so .. not interested in a game that has N64 graphics..lol yeah
When a game is made, there are certain owners for it.no, i didn't lol
i was doing some water change in my tank. i wouldn't put on ignore for that lol
i dont know what we are talking about assets. we don't know the contract so its pointless talking about it.
like i said. whoever owns the game owns the assets, to be fair this topic is very ambiguous and kinda irrelevant. even if they didn't use the assets they could just make new ones which makes this argument pointless. case in point that new game from the creators of the battlefield if we didn't know better you would think they use battlefront assets.
our original argument was regarding the cover you post. it doesn't say anything about ownership but the logos.
which standard practice like something like this
this assets argument started when the other user said the developer owns the assets which isnt true. that's why i gave the example of Sackboy which is developed by sumo? but sony owns the assets
GoldenEye 007 | |
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Developer(s) | Rare |
Publisher(s) | Nintendo |
Cool, hopefully it comes out so that people can finally learn what an overrated game this really is and that the only reason you liked it is because you owned an N64 and didn't know any better. Nearly every other FPS released during that timeframe was better.
For the inevtible "hurdur I plAyEd OtHeR FpS ToO and I LikEd It"
Don't care, you're still wrong.
I hope 2022 offers you opportunities to expand your perspective and not be so overly opinionated spewing your terrible viewpoints out into the world as if they were fact rather than opinion.
In the mean time, you should find yourself a copy of GoldenEye XBLA or GoldenEye N64 and play it on PC right now, because it's still fun just as it was in 1997. Here, I'll give you a head start by linking pre-setup packages that simply require you to drop the game files themselves in and play with mouse and keyboard support:
Xenia/XBLA
N64/1964
it played like shit even compared to FPSs of its days...Game is a relic of the past. It plays like shit compared to the FPS of today.
Mixing franchises creates wormholes. Do not dabble in such dark majicks.