Lukaku's First Touch
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Apparently the guy is a rapist too lol. This couldn't have gone better in any way.
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Anti-work subreddit goes private after disastrous Fox News interview
17 year old in LA sexually assaulted a 10 yo girl and committed various other crimes, before court he is all of a sudden a girl
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Me: posts objective numbers
You: post subjective numbers, resort to name calling.
Yup, unlike Miku who's reasonable and open minded, you're not even worth engaging with in this topic. Bye Felicia.
DeepBreath87
Banned
This thread is about inequality of effort primarily. If you want to talk about inequality of income, that’s a different discussion. Unless you’re arguing it is unfair that the people in the “antiwork” subreddit aren’t receiving their fair share, your post is irrelevant.
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Cyberpunkd
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It’s ok, we all went through the denial phase.
Spoiler: America is not en greatest country in the world.
Stop Motion Pornography
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I think there are some positive aspects happening with the Great Resignation. People are leaving shitty jobs in droves. Whether they want to sit at home and take handouts, or going back to school/learning a new trade, or just finding a better job in their industry, it doesn't matter. Bad employers are starting to take the hint, but sadly I think any improvements will be offset by new people in the workforce who don't have experience being exploited yet, and also the problem with wage increases being offset by inflation.
I job-hopped several times in 2021 because I wasn't settling for a crappy job with crappy pay. I'm sticking out my current job (sales) where the commission is BONKERS in relation to the amount of effort I have to put in. I hate the job itself, I really want to change industries, but I'm making a good 100k or more a year and I'm not working very hard. So I guess that is my "anti-work" technique- just half-ass it at the highest paying place that will keep me around for as long as I can, lol.
Cyberpunkd
Member
How is that different than ‘just bootstrap harder!’?
InfiniteCombo
Banned
What in the actual fuck are you even talking about? Has anyone said that in this thread? Point me to the post that said "America is the greatest country in the world" in this thread.
Because I like to engage in productive conversation, out of curiosity I would ask you where you're from, but in your case I don't care.
Such combativeness, pettiness, and immaturity. You should learn to:
(And also improve your debate skills, because they're piss-poor)
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Cyberpunkd
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Why would you assume I’m interested in debating with ransoms online?
InfiniteCombo
Banned
You bring up a reasonable point, so I'll ask you a question:
What's the definition of "shitty" job, in the way you're using the word?
Also, a point: what the Resignators do with their time DOES very much matter. If they sit there and wait for handouts, that's something that affects the rest of us, directly.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Because you're engaging with me? And tried to prove me "wrong" and spectacularly failed in the process?
Also, it's "random people," not "ransoms." Ransom is money that one pays to a hostage taker.
EDIT: look dude, it's not personal. At the end of the day, at the rate we're going, you and I are never gonna agree with each other on this. But we're also not gonna learn anything from each other. So why don't we just agree to disagree, and move on? Cheers!
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Stop Motion Pornography
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Shitty jobs are certainly subjective, but I'm thinking of any fields with historically low wages and high turnover rates. Your retail, fast food, call centers, warehouses, etc. I did a quick stint at FedEx unloading trucks overnight over the summer as I was taking some classes, and due to how quickly people would up and quit, I think it was 21 dollars an hour at certain peak times. Of course, unloading trucks in the middle of summer at 4AM in 90 degree weather is still not worth even such a significant pay bump. They're still going to need to offer actual benefits and time off to attract people to stay longer than a few months.
And I think the people sitting at home expecting handouts aren't impacting us all that much. Something is going to give, and they're going to run out of money long before anyone is going to agree to some sort of universal income benefit for them. I mean, I support some sort of minor guarantee of income, but that's not happening in America. These people will return to work, I just hope enough widespread change has occurred to make it worth anything.
DeepBreath87
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How is it different than what? Some stupid slogan? Or do you really not understand that disparity in effort should result in disparity of outcomes?
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QSD
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Is it so hard to imagine this? Come on man. The whole grunge era in music was partially driven by kids of parents who were never there, either physically or emotionally, because they were focused on career advancement. The result of that is a cohort of people that don't want to climb some corporate ladder, because that's exactly what made their parents and by proxy them unhappy in the first place. Life consists of more than money. It's hardly believable that I even have to argue this point. My dad was an English teacher before he retired and my mom a district nurse (not sure of the term, a nurse who visits patients at home once or twice a day to help them). Both of them were never really happy in their jobs and saw the workload and pressure on them increase each year. I'm glad they're retired now, but my mom for example has just had a complicated operation to fix her severely herniated back from lifting patients. She's able to walk now but she's been bed-ridden and incapacitated since december. That's what "hard work" also gets you.
Punished Miku
is right at pointing out nihilism. In a way, living in a capitalist society breeds nihilism. Sure, it's better than communism, but having no value system other than money is a hollow way of living, and it's in danger of doing us in. It's no wonder that there are so many mental health problems in modern society. I don't think that there are many people who have the idea of doing nothing all day as an ideal. Sure there will be some, but the vast majority of people actually want to contribute, just not in a way that makes them continually unhappy in the long run. The syndrome of people living with their parents is a result of a kind of paralysis, where there just don't seem to be that many good options. Other than that there's also a housing crisis here in holland. I got lucky and bought a house when prices were low back in 2013. Right now I wouldn't be able to afford the same purchase since prices have tripled. Every one of my colleagues/friends/dates etc that's significantly younger than me (say 5+ years) is struggling with this. There's just nothing affordable available and rents are extortionary. That also breeds nihilism.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
It's almost always self diagnosed autism.
Maiden Voyage
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Halo is Back
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No doubt. I personally hate philosophy because a lot of it goes over my head. I'm more interested in the scientific model regarding "hard science" that you can prove with data and analysis. However, I do understand that the birth of science is rooted in philosophy and inquiring about our reality.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Very fair, and I agree with your examples of "shitty jobs."
I'll respectfully and humbly say that I very strongly disagree with the concept of universal basic income. Hence my objection to people leaving the job force to "do nothing." It sucks to be on mobile right now, because there's an article that I bookmarked (can't remember from where, I think it's the New York Times?) that mentioned that the men (specifically men, not women) quitting the workforce in droves are not getting other jobs, they're not helping their communities, they're not even pursuing passions or hobbies. They're spending a lot of... "screen time." Basically wasting their lives away.
AJUMP23
Member
Where is this information. Now this person has ruined his life multiple times over for deciding to be the public face.
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
My eyes definitely feel violated.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Fantastic, very thoughtful post.Is it so hard to imagine this? Come on man. The whole grunge era in music was partially driven by kids of parents who were never there, either physically or emotionally, because they were focused on career advancement. The result of that is a cohort of people that don't want to climb some corporate ladder, because that's exactly what made their parents and by proxy them unhappy in the first place. Life consists of more than money. It's hardly believable that I even have to argue this point. My dad was an English teacher before he retired and my mom a district nurse (not sure of the term, a nurse who visits patients at home once or twice a day to help them). Both of them were never really happy in their jobs and saw the workload and pressure on them increase each year. I'm glad they're retired now, but my mom for example has just had a complicated operation to fix her severely herniated back from lifting patients. She's able to walk now but she's been bed-ridden and incapacitated since december. That's what "hard work" also gets you.
Other than that there's also a housing crisis here in holland. I got lucky and bought a house when prices were low back in 2013. Right now I wouldn't be able to afford the same purchase since prices have tripled. Every one of my colleagues/friends/dates etc that's significantly younger than me (say 5+ years) is struggling with this. There's just nothing affordable available and rents are extortionary. That also breeds nihilism.
My only reply/counterpoint is that I disagree that the current nihilism is directly caused by capitalism. Maybe capitalism is an indirect factor, I'm not sure. But the direct and obvious factor is that people don't seem to have a sense of meaning and belonging in their lives.
In the past, once we got past the raw need for survival, there were things that brought people together and gave them purpose -- family, community, religion. (I know I'm gonna get flack for that last one, but trust me, for my own life personally I'm not a fan of organized religion.) All three of those have broken down -- somewhat irreparably, I'm afraid. (Or it at least seems that way.) Now as to why the family unity has broken down, I don't know. But what I do know is that we seem to live in a life of consumptive overabundance -- there's just lots of everything. TV, movies, music, social media, hell even on dating apps, dating itself has been made into a transactional commodity, instead of something from which we can engage with deeper and feel more fulfilled.
I should look more into it, the points you and
Punished Miku
raised have made me curious.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Considering people like Donald Trump and George W. Bush can both be elected president - one an idiot, another an alcoholic and a failure - I don't think you should lecture me. Instead just admit that 90% of success in the US is being born in the right family.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
DeepBreath87
Banned
Wow. Talk about cherry picking. Try harder next time. Again, the thread is about people who think the world owes them something while requiring them to contribute nothing. And you’re year making “bootstraps” jokes like some chuckling moron who thinks they have it all figured out.
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DeceptiveAlarm
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DeceptiveAlarm
Gold Member
Oh man....
Coolwhhip
Neophyte
That orc would be an improvement.
RAÏSanÏa
Member
Automation and UBI in relation to labour, economics, standards of living are interesting discussions I've had where I thought from context "antiwork"(which is a odd fucking word anyhow) meant things government money meant for workers going to private business being paid in bonuses(like covid $ was here), porkbarrel for private business and failing industries.
Can see how some of the social intent around the capitalist techno core of it could be misunderstood or subverted into more leftist leaning or straight up communism, but anarchist doesn't make any sense to me. When I saw the sub it was mostly personal dramas and I blocked it. Not sure I want to want this interview.
Can see how some of the social intent around the capitalist techno core of it could be misunderstood or subverted into more leftist leaning or straight up communism, but anarchist doesn't make any sense to me. When I saw the sub it was mostly personal dramas and I blocked it. Not sure I want to want this interview.
Azurro
Banned
The company I work at gives me a nice bonus every year, and the bigger the profits are, the bigger the bonus.
Truthfully, I live and work in Europe but I don't belong to any union or anything of the sort. My job is a white collar job though.
I get it that some people find it annoying but I also think it's ridiculous that these...people (if only by pure definition) seem to think that flipping burgers 3 times a week should be paying enough to pay for a mortgage + cars and family.
Aaaand I'm out, just putting some thoughts put there. No politics.
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Long-term unemployed at the age of 21????Oh man....
Words really have lost all meaning.
a multicultural team of v
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I mean if you are going to make idiotic extreme examples you do realize that of the two richest Americans, one wasn't even born in America, and the other one was born when his mother was a 17 year old high schooler, right?
Phunkydiabetic
Banned
Wait what
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
For people asking about the rape:
strange headache
Banned
Dude had the chance to formulate and express the plight of a younger generation, confronted with economic regression, hyper-consumption, inflationary housing costs and a capitalist system that increasingly does not allow its middle class to own something anymore. Instead he is just looking for an excuse to be lazy... what a bombastic failure!
Times have never been easy, there have always been obstacles, from the first and second world war to the cold war. Every generation had sh*t to deal with, but if things get tough, the tough need to get going! Despite all societal and global problems, they are no excuse to just resign from life and all the challenges it presents. Being a productive member of society is important, having responsibilities is what keeps you upright and straight.
Times have never been easy, there have always been obstacles, from the first and second world war to the cold war. Every generation had sh*t to deal with, but if things get tough, the tough need to get going! Despite all societal and global problems, they are no excuse to just resign from life and all the challenges it presents. Being a productive member of society is important, having responsibilities is what keeps you upright and straight.
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TransTrender
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Receipts in case anyone asks:
Sexual assault of 10-year-old sparks latest criticism of L.A. district attorney’s policies
A 26-year-old who pleaded guilty to the sexual assault of a 10-year-old girl will end up in juvenile custody or be set free on probation, despite a criminal record that includes another allegation of sexual abuse of a child.
www.latimes.com
StreetsofBeige
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That doesnt answer my question though.Is it so hard to imagine this? Come on man. The whole grunge era in music was partially driven by kids of parents who were never there, either physically or emotionally, because they were focused on career advancement. The result of that is a cohort of people that don't want to climb some corporate ladder, because that's exactly what made their parents and by proxy them unhappy in the first place. Life consists of more than money. It's hardly believable that I even have to argue this point. My dad was an English teacher before he retired and my mom a district nurse (not sure of the term, a nurse who visits patients at home once or twice a day to help them). Both of them were never really happy in their jobs and saw the workload and pressure on them increase each year. I'm glad they're retired now, but my mom for example has just had a complicated operation to fix her severely herniated back from lifting patients. She's able to walk now but she's been bed-ridden and incapacitated since december. That's what "hard work" also gets you.
Other than that there's also a housing crisis here in holland. I got lucky and bought a house when prices were low back in 2013. Right now I wouldn't be able to afford the same purchase since prices have tripled. Every one of my colleagues/friends/dates etc that's significantly younger than me (say 5+ years) is struggling with this. There's just nothing affordable available and rents are extortionary. That also breeds nihilism.
If trying to rat race with career and money like lots of people do isn't "success" to modern day people like the dog walker dude, then what is? Living at parents or doing shitty jobs for the rest of life doing as little work hours as possible? How can that be success? And if that is success to them, fuck em. They deserve nothing and should consider themselves lucky if their parents are nice enough to let them stay with them till they die.
There's a big difference between someone who puts in the effort and calls it quits because they could only get so far in career vs. a person who never tried from the start trying to live off parents with an anti-work mentality.
Money isn't the be all and end all of life. But it sure solves lots of issues in life. I'm no Elon Musk, but I can tell with my career and my family tree we are never going to go broke. And none of us are ultra CEOs or anything. As I said earlier (and what others said), you dont have to be Scrooge McDuck scraping every penny and pissing people off to get through life. All I know, is none of us will ever care about being broke, missing a mortgage payment or anything like that. Succeed with a decent job and the money comes in so you dont have to worry if chicken and carrots go up 5% due to inflation like a broke guy would. And if I want to buy the new PS6 or Xbox Series Y I dont give a shit if they jack up the price to $1000. I got the money.
People with zero money also dont think of it as a family bond, since they think everyone is out for themselves. I have the least amount of money compared to my parents and siblings. I'm fine now but starting out scraping by do you know what one of brothers told me when we were talking about me moving out and buying a place for the first time? He said.... "if you need money tell me. I'll send you $50k or $100k if you need it to qualify for a mortgage". I didnt need it. But thats what good families and money floating around can do. Dog walker dude is doing none of that shit as he's worthless. Only thing he's doing is begging for freebies. If he was in my shoes, he'd be taking the offer in the first 10 seconds. I got a job and qualified myself. I'll pay my own bills. But thanks for the offer bro.
Problem is deadbeats think capitalism and people with a good job do it just for money and buying BMWs for laughs. Not true. It's just that more meaningful jobs are often harder to get. But as a lucky reward it pays more so they go hand in hand.
Some people would love it if they can get through life washing windows. Problem is that job pays shit. But if that's what they aspire to because it makes them happy not rat racing it and it's "success" enough to them, then fine. Do what you need to do, but then dont leach off parents or ask for handouts.
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QSD
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Dude the post does answer your question, you're just not really ready/capable of receiving it. I know your family is loaded, because every time we cross swords/gaf dongs about social issues, you never fail to mention it LOL. Which is why you're probably not the right person to have this conversation with. To you, money is really important, that much is obvious, and the fact that you have quite a lot of it seems to do a lot of the heavy lifting for you in terms of meaning-making. That's certainly not true for everyone. Also, dog walker dude didn't pick the family he was born into. Maybe his family don't know the value of hard work, so he has to figure it out for himself. Maybe he didn't grow up in a family at all, or in a very dysfunctional one. You're pretty typical for a right-winger, attributing to yourself all this achievement, and blind to what part luck has played
I think what most people want is to work a job that offers a level of variety that is anywhere above 'soul crushing monotony' and also offers a sense of community and feeling of working toward a common goal. That is what I would consider to be the minimum necessary to keep a person mentally healthy. A lot of jobs don't offer this, thus becoming a kind of 'alienated' labor (though not exactly as Marx uses the term). It's not good enough that there are some jobs that are meaningful. Toxic/inhumane work environments are probably the #1 cause of the current epidemic of mental health issues.
I think one of the ways out of this situation is if corporations and employers understand that fostering some sense of community is their responsibility now, since fewer and fewer people are going to church, and people still need a sense of community to keep healthy.
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GnomeChimpsky
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Dude, take your fucking meds and stay off the internet.
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
What? its just a copy past img from the reddit thread someone posted there and people asked about it here. Calm down. Seems you take this a bit personal... I wonder why.
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cormack12
Gold Member
Long-term unemployed at the age of 21????
Words really have lost all meaning.
Also a long term voter too.
I don't think that was aimed at you lol.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Well, I can say the same thing to you. You're pretty typical of a left winger thinking people who have a decent in life is all luck. If you want to call anyone with a half decent job like rolling 7-11, thats probably why many people are down and outers. They think someone's life is based on luck, destiny or god hand picking them as a success or failure.
Sometimes in life you just got to do your own thing.
Aside from dad showing me how to fill out an income tax form in the 90s by hand (no internet at the time), every car loan, buying a car by myself at a dealsership, mortgage, student loan etc... was all done and paid by me. You're going to call that luck? Its not hard. You talk to some people, compare deals and sign the dotted line on the best deal you see.
In life sometimes you got to be a man and do your own shit.
As for job variety, that comes down to the person and how picky they are and how entitled they feel. It's obvious someone like the dog walker doesn't give a shit about work. I do finance. My entire day is staring at emails and spreadsheets. It pays well. I like crunching stats and helping the business. But if some people think doing that is soul crushing and boring as hell, thats fine. I agree it's not a glamourous job, but it's fun for me and pays great.
As for anti-work people, there's endless career sectors and within it a million kinds of jobs. If someone is so anti-work where they feel they cant find one career path that works they got issues. And that issue is not being protective of overbearing job culture or slave labour. That issue is simply not wanting to get up in the morning and go to work like the other billion people in the world.
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Maiden Voyage
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Walter Matthau
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For people asking about the rape:
This dude is deeply disturbed. They sound like an absolute psychopath.
Maiden Voyage
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For those unaware, the subreddit was reopened with a “new” mod taking over. Pretty quickly the new mod was outed as the same from the Fox News interview. Lots of hilarious posts going on right now.
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Hari Seldon
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What is the long term goal of these fools? Someone has to do work. Bring back slavery?
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