Ev1L AuRoN
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Interesting, let's see if AMD deliver this time.
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FSR 2.0 to be announced soon
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Bojji
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1.9 was better than 1.0.
01011001
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so I made a few God of War comparisons (64k modem warning!)
I labeled the static images so you know which res all of them are, and the "in motion" ones where I tried to walk forward at the same spot over and over are the same settings in the same order as the static ones where I stand still
for the motion ones I went to that one lamp and walked forward while taking the shot, also there are falling leafs everywhere for additional motion assessment!
I locked all modes to 60fps as more frames technically could result in cleaner images since the AA/Upscaling method has more samples to work with and therefore an unfair advantage
take note how surprisingly good the 480p shots still look
this is max settings too btw
NOTE HERE, look at Kratos' back and axe. in the Native + TAA
you see weird artifacting in the pelt he wears and the axe is really aliased
and in the DLSS Quality version below
the pelt looks way nicer and the axe is properly edge-treated
all in all Native + TAA looks sharper but more aliased and has weird artifacting not found in the DLSS Quality mode. every DLSS mode below Quality still looks decent but should only really be used at higher resolutions like 4K
at 1440p I would advice anyone to use DLSS Quality, it looks better than Native + TAA for sure. the TAA has more artifacts and worse edge-treatment so DLSS Quality is an absolute no-brainer here
edit: zoom in on the pelt in the motion shot
the top one is native + TAA the bottom is DLSS Quality (960p native res)
you lose sharpness with DLSS Quality but you gain better edge treatment in motion for sure! you can see the TAA completely breaking apart in motion even on the axe and the arm/shoulder where you can see hard pixel edges not really anti aliased but having obvious staristepping
I labeled the static images so you know which res all of them are, and the "in motion" ones where I tried to walk forward at the same spot over and over are the same settings in the same order as the static ones where I stand still
for the motion ones I went to that one lamp and walked forward while taking the shot, also there are falling leafs everywhere for additional motion assessment!
I locked all modes to 60fps as more frames technically could result in cleaner images since the AA/Upscaling method has more samples to work with and therefore an unfair advantage
take note how surprisingly good the 480p shots still look
this is max settings too btw
NOTE HERE, look at Kratos' back and axe. in the Native + TAA
you see weird artifacting in the pelt he wears and the axe is really aliasedand in the DLSS Quality version below
the pelt looks way nicer and the axe is properly edge-treated
all in all Native + TAA looks sharper but more aliased and has weird artifacting not found in the DLSS Quality mode. every DLSS mode below Quality still looks decent but should only really be used at higher resolutions like 4K
at 1440p I would advice anyone to use DLSS Quality, it looks better than Native + TAA for sure. the TAA has more artifacts and worse edge-treatment so DLSS Quality is an absolute no-brainer here
edit: zoom in on the pelt in the motion shot
the top one is native + TAA the bottom is DLSS Quality (960p native res)
you lose sharpness with DLSS Quality but you gain better edge treatment in motion for sure! you can see the TAA completely breaking apart in motion even on the axe and the arm/shoulder where you can see hard pixel edges not really anti aliased but having obvious staristepping
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01011001
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winjer
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so I made a few God of War comparisons (64k modem warning!)
I labeled the static images so you know which res all of them are, and the "in motion" ones where I tried to walk forward at the same spot over and over are the same settings in the same order as the static ones where I stand still
for the motion ones I went to that one lamp and walked forward while taking the shot, also there are falling leafs everywhere for additional motion assessment!
I locked all modes to 60fps as more frames technically could result in cleaner images since the AA/Upscaling method has more samples to work with and therefore an unfair advantage
take note how surprisingly good the 480p shots still look
this is max settings too btw
NOTE HERE, look at Kratos' back and axe. in the Native + TAA
and in the DLSS Quality version below
all in all Native + TAA looks sharper but more aliased and has weird artifacting not found in the DLSS Quality mode. every DLSS mode below Quality still looks decent but should only really be used at higher resolutions like 4K
at 1440p I would advice anyone to use DLSS Quality, it looks better than Native + TAA for sure. the TAA has more artifacts and worse edge-treatment so DLSS Quality is an absolute no-brainer here
TAA is a hit or miss, depending on the game.
Some studios have managed to develop good TAA solutions, that have minimal ghosting and blurring.
Other not so much, and there are games where TAA leaves somewhat to be desired.
The advantage with DLSS is that it has it's own AA solution, and it's a good one. So it's consistent in all games.
01011001
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yeah. I added a zoomed in view on one of the motion shots that demonstrates how the DLSS Quality mode better treats edges and transparencies in motion compared to native + TAA
the top one is native + TAA the bottom is DLSS Quality (960p native res)
you lose sharpness with DLSS Quality but you gain better edge treatment in motion for sure! you can see the TAA completely breaking apart in motion even on the axe and the arm/shoulder where you can see hard pixel edges not really anti aliased but having obvious staristepping
you can see some minor artifacting with DLSS but in motion that is way less noticeable than the shimmering the TAA creates
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Bojji
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this is better than 1.0
so not really a big obstacle to overcome lol
Nvidia had DLSS (better than 1.0) running on shader cores, that's the whole point in what I mentioned. 1.9 version was better than most reconstruction techniques and it didn't need dedicated hardware to run.
^ this thing is just some upscaling dongle?
01011001
Banned
it upscales and adds "CxAA" + a sharpening filter
FingerBang
Member
This is impressive, can't wait to see it in action. We need more of this on consoles as well, native 4K is pointless on a big screen.
Cryio
Member
DLSS 1.0 on the whole was horrendous, worse than resolution scaling and adding Sharpening externally.
However, a friend of mine is now playing Final Fantasy XV, which has DLSS 1.0 working only at 4K. His laptop is too slow to play the game at 4K or even with DLSS enabled, however FF15 TAA implementation is so had, DLSS 1.0 does look better than native 4K.
I think it's the only case where DLSS 1.0 is actually an improvement though.
However, a friend of mine is now playing Final Fantasy XV, which has DLSS 1.0 working only at 4K. His laptop is too slow to play the game at 4K or even with DLSS enabled, however FF15 TAA implementation is so had, DLSS 1.0 does look better than native 4K.
I think it's the only case where DLSS 1.0 is actually an improvement though.
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Epic Sax CEO
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Look at that, we can say that AMD didn't fucked up this time.
This looks well done.
This looks well done.
Mister Wolf
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Looks promising. I'll reserve judgement until someone such as yourself takes comparison screengrabs while a game is in motion. With this temporal stuff that's the only thing that matters as seen by the pics you have posted in this topic.
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Bernd Lauert
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Damn, it's not dogshit. Hope this comes to consoles.
winjer
Gold Member
It does look good on this video. Although there are always those issues with youtube compression.
I didn't notice ghosting and image clarity in movement seems nice.
In the screenshot that AMD provided, it also looks good.
On the 23rd of this month, we'll have more info from the GDC presentation.
maybe they'll show mode screenshots. What games will be released with support, etc.
But for us mortals, we'll only get our hands on games with the tech in Q2. So there is still a few months to wait.
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ToTTenTranz
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Temporal upscaling has been present in consoles for many years, and in the latest example in COD Vanguard
NXGamer
showed how good it can get already:You can also see for yourself how good UE5's TSR is on the Matrix Revolutions free demo in either console. That one is running at native 1080p upscaled to 4K.
I think the biggest advantage with FSR 2.0 is that it's open source code and developers can adapt it to any game totally for free and it'll run on virtually any GPU.
And in the case of games with DLSS2 implemented that already have motion vectors in place, coding FSR 2.0 into them could be very easy and fast, effectively making it a "trojan horse" against proprietary solutions.
FingerBang
Member
Temporal upscaling has been present in consoles for many years, and in the latest example in COD Vanguard
You can also see for yourself how good UE5's TSR is on the Matrix Revolutions free demo in either console. That one is running at native 1080p upscaled to 4K.
I think the biggest advantage with FSR 2.0 is that it's open source code and developers can adapt it to any game totally for free and it'll run on virtually any GPU.
And in the case of games with DLSS2 implemented that already have motion vectors in place, coding FSR 2.0 into them could be very easy and fast, effectively making it a "trojan horse" against proprietary solutions.
Yep, I'm well aware it's already widely used. I'm thinking for example of Insomniac and how great their temporal upscaling is.
But something like FSR2 (and DLSS fwiw) makes it much easier for developers to implement, so we could have more games having better performance and visuals.
Rudius
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Full-res images:
It looks excellent. FSR 2.0 quality seems a bit better than performance, but even performance is still very close to native and far better than 1.0. This maybe too good to be true, but if it is, AMD has a good DLSS competitor now.
It looks excellent. FSR 2.0 quality seems a bit better than performance, but even performance is still very close to native and far better than 1.0. This maybe too good to be true, but if it is, AMD has a good DLSS competitor now.
Reizo Ryuu
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ToTTenTranz
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What I don't get is why FSR 2.0 Performance is softening and taking down shadow contrast.
sankt-Antonio
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Hopefully this will make it to consoles. 2.0 seems to be a massive upgrade.
ZywyPL
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Seems like FSR 2.0 Performance is much better than FSR 1.0 Quality, that's a huge jump.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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I tried it out today in Horizon. It's MUCH sharper than 1080p dude. I don't know if Guerilla improved it or not because I've been playing at 30 fps but aside from the shimmery foliage this at least gives the impression of about 1440p. Btw, the shimmering didn't seem as bad as at release but I was playing at night so that was probably hiding a lot of it. I lean towards it being improved though.
1080p on the other hand gives an overall 'dull', blurrier impression to my eyes.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Nvidia made the same "promises" with DLSS (1). It's to be expected. That being said I'm still skeptical.
winjer
Gold Member
With these high resolution screenshots, we can clearly see that FSR 2.0 Quality is pretty much on par with native. It can resolve some details better, like wires. But there is something off with the shadows.
if these screenshots are anything to go by, FSR 2.0 is going to give a decent fight against DLSS 2.0
winjer
Gold Member
That is also happening with FSR 1.0 on those screenshots.
And the lower the base resolution, the softer and less contrast those shadows have.
My guess is that it's a bug with the build of the game they are using.
Maybe they had to change something about the rendering pipeline, to implement FSR 2.0, and haven't managed to fix everything yet.
Curiously, this issue does not appear with earlier builds using FSR 1.0 and DLSS.
Deathloop: DLSS vs. DLAA vs. FSR Comparison Review
Originally, Deathloop on PC was only available with support for AMD FidelityFX FSR upscaling technology. Recently, it has been updated to also support NVIDIA's Deep Learning Super Sampling (DLSS) technology with the ability to run DLSS at native resolution (DLAA). In this mini-review, we take a...
Tchu-Espresso
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Wow, even performance mode is better than 4k native in depicting fine lines in the distance.
Bring this to the consoles stat.
Kazekage1981
Member
They should cause there is no machine learning required!
For Xbox Series X|S if you stack FSR 2.0 with VRS I wonder what performance results you will get? Perhaps 200 FPS MEGATON!!!
Any idea if dlss needs the extra colour and depth data listed here? and if this is what would be the issue with shadows? I've only seen motion vectors ever mentioned so if it doesn't use that extra data this will require more work to implement than dlss. Although I could see nvidia using this data to improve dlss if it's going to start being used by other methods.
"FSR 2.0 temporal upscaling uses frame color, depth, and motion vectors in the rendering pipeline and leverages information from past frames to create very high-quality upscaled output and it also includes optimized high-quality anti-aliasing."
Announcing and First Look at AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0
Last June, we launched one of our most highly anticipated software technologies ever, AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution (FSR) (1). Right from the beginning, FSR was praised by both game developers and gamers for being a game-changing upscaling technology. FSR delivers outstanding performance...
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
What the hell... RSR that should be the lowest quality version of this is actually impressing.
www.techpowerup.com
What happened?
There's nothing to "fix", just improve.
Naturally.
ALL consoles should receive these upscalling techniques.
Something like FSR 2.0 probably needs a bit of work by developers, but RSR could be forced by the OS like you can do on the PC via driver. Put RSR in it's maximum quality there for minimum IQ loss and free 20% boost in FPS on all released games. Wouldn't this be possible?
AMD Radeon Super Resolution RSR Quality & Performance Review
Today, AMD released their Radeon Super Resolution Technology. RSR is the magic bullet to achieve higher framerates in ALL games; it works on the driver-level, so no special game is support needed, it just works, even on older titles. We've tested it in several games, and the image quality is...
What happened?
There's nothing to "fix", just improve.
Naturally.
They should cause there is no machine learning required!
For Xbox Series X|S if you stack FSR 2.0 with VRS I wonder what performance results you will get? Perhaps 200 FPS MEGATON!!!
ALL consoles should receive these upscalling techniques.
Something like FSR 2.0 probably needs a bit of work by developers, but RSR could be forced by the OS like you can do on the PC via driver. Put RSR in it's maximum quality there for minimum IQ loss and free 20% boost in FPS on all released games. Wouldn't this be possible?
Epic Sax CEO
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Tchu-Espresso
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Impressive.
01011001
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I am more interested in 1440p images, since at 4k it's not really as noticable if the reconstruction is sub par imo.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
It's in the new (just released version) Life Is Strange game on Switch (when docked).
It looks very close to PC version.
It looks very close to PC version.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Still images are impressive, but I need to see it in motion.
winjer
Gold Member
This was posted a few days ago.
Today, we should have more information about FSR 2.0, with AMD's presentation at GTC.
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DenchDeckard
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someone, just please tell me it is coming to PS5 and Xbox Series X/S. We need this shit ASAP.
MikeM
Member
Dev choice.
Mister Wolf
Member
Many games already use Temporal Upscaling.
Amiga
Member
FSR 2.0 gives that "better than native" impression that DLSS 2.0 has. with that neutralized Invidia only have the RT advantage for now. and it may come to an end with RDNA3.
Arioco
Member
What native resolution is FSR 2.0 reconstructing from in Performance and Quality modes? Do we already know or do we have to wait for that GDC presentation?
I'm very curious because the results look excellent so far, and in many cases better than native 4K indeed. I'm really impressed.
I'm very curious because the results look excellent so far, and in many cases better than native 4K indeed. I'm really impressed.
Rudius
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They did not mention the native resolutions. The GDC presentation should be today, 10:30am Pacific Time, but I don't' know were to watch it.
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