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[Werewolfgrandma]

Surely you're not trying to pull off something this disingenuous? You know when there is a gay character in 2022 they must constantly talk about how they are gay and be sassy to straight people.

This is a pile of shit and in no way true.

Your first post in this topic;



Me replying to your first post


Gaslighting does not work when everything is there in black and white.

You actually did not reply to my first post. You replied to my second post with that garbage up above I quoted.

I've asked you why does the story need to be changed from what is established already and you have ignored it. Everything I have said is relevant to what you are saying. You're getting gang banged because you're bending over and asking for it mate.

I didn't say it needed to be changed. My post very literally says what I'm arguing yet you choose to ignore it.

 

[Swift_Star]

This “gay agenda” thing is so stupid. I’m gay and I do exist.

I don’t like it when it’s forcefully done, but gay characters shouldn’t be shunned from fiction because there are a lot of us in real life as well.

When one or two out of 30 characters is gay, it’s immediately “gay agenda!!!” While the percentage in real life is higher.

But anyway, you don’t seem to fit their criteria. Good luck with finding something else.

Yeah, it’s really annoying to read stuff like “oh there are gay in every show now”.
Well, duh, why there should be only straight people in your story? That’s not how real life works.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

And pray tell what if they were?

What if it happened to be a story involving a handful of husband and wife couples? Is that somehow unrealistic or untenable?

*I'd* put money on you still demanding alteration in this scenario even if it would fundamentally change a lot of existing groundwork. Your ilk always does.

First. There is 5 characters so it's not about a handful of couples.

Second. I didn't demand or ask for anything.

 

[Hendrick's]

You made the right call. When the insane start demanding everyone believe their insanity, and the sane become too complacent and fearful to stand up to them, societies crumble.

 

[CosmicComet]

Yeah, it’s really annoying to read stuff like “oh there are gay in every show now”.
Well, duh, why there should be only straight people in your story? That’s not how real life works.

Ehh. You could meet 10 random strangers and have an excellent chance of all 10 of them being straight.

It's not somehow unrealistic to have a story with only a handful of characters and none of them happen to be LGBT.

The more characters you have though, the less defensible it becomes however.

 

[CosmicComet]

First. There is 5 characters so it's not about a handful of couples.

Second. I didn't demand or ask for anything.

Way to dodge a hypothetical question.

 

[Fredrik]

Why can’t gaming be normal about this? Took me half my life to learn that a friend is gay.

Gaming: ”Hello stranger, I’m Steve and I’m gay.”

 

[deriks]

Is he thinks it's homophobic, than tell him to fuck off

 

[PJX]

This “gay agenda” thing is so stupid. I’m gay and I do exist.

I don’t like it when it’s forcefully done, but gay characters shouldn’t be shunned from fiction because there are a lot of us in real life as well.

When one or two out of 30 characters is gay, it’s immediately “gay agenda!!!” While the percentage in real life is higher.

But anyway, you don’t seem to fit their criteria. Good luck with finding something else.

But it's their story though. Why should they be forced to add a group that isn't required in their story?

 

[IDappa]

This is a pile of shit and in no way true.

You actually did not reply to my first post. You replied to my second post with that garbage up above I quoted.

I didn't say it needed to be changed. My post very literally says what I'm arguing yet you choose to ignore it.

So you're saying "it doesn't need to be changed but it could"and I am saying why does it need to be changed but then you point at your comment that that says it could be changed and don't elaborate and then you're wondering why people are arguing with you?.

honestly why bother saying anything then?.

 

[LordCBH]

You dodged the bullet of having to work with a talentless hack, OP.

 

[Topher]

This “gay agenda” thing is so stupid. I’m gay and I do exist.

I don’t like it when it’s forcefully done, but gay characters shouldn’t be shunned from fiction because there are a lot of us in real life as well.

When one or two out of 30 characters is gay, it’s immediately “gay agenda!!!” While the percentage in real life is higher.

But anyway, you don’t seem to fit their criteria. Good luck with finding something else.

Shouldn't be shunned. Shouldn't be forced. I definitely agree with that. I don't like the reaction some have had to there being gay characters in a story either. But the gay and "LGBTQ friendly" community has a bad habit as well of calling out "homophobia" when not represented. Just as bad, imo.

I think the writer in the OP should set off to write his own stories with whatever characters he wants and no one should be able to dictate to him what to write.

 

[Swift_Star]

But it's their story though. Why should they be forced to add a group that isn't required in their story?

The same reason why you think a write should be forced to work on a story that has no gay characters? Double standards, double standards everywhere.

 

[IDappa]

The same reason why you think a write should be forced to work on a story that has no gay characters? Double standards, double standards everywhere.

Lol who says there shouldn't be any gay characters full stop?. This thread is about a writer trying to force a gay character into a story that is already established lol.

 

[Topher]

The same reason why you think a write should be forced to work on a story that has no gay characters? Double standards, double standards everywhere.

He wasn't forced. He was free to leave and he did.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

So you're saying "it doesn't need to be changed but it could"and I am saying why does it need to be changed but then you point at your comment that that says it could be changed and don't elaborate and then you're wondering why people are arguing with you?.

honestly why bother saying anything then?.

This op is dumb and seems a thumbs up grab to me. I called bullshit on the reason given in the op. I'm arguing the op. No one has addressed that argument, but I'm too stubborn to ignore irrelevant posts that quote me.

 

[Majmun]

Ehh. You could meet 10 random strangers and have an excellent chance of all 10 of them being straight.

It's not somehow unrealistic to have a story with only a handful of characters and none of them happen to be LGBT.

The more characters you have though, the less defensible it becomes however.

You can also meet 10 random strangers and have an excellent chance of all 10 of them being white.

Doesn’t mean it’s ok to have modern movies with only white characters in them.

 

[lame gag1990]

The same reason why you think a write should be forced to work on a story that has no gay characters? Double standards, double standards everywhere.

He wasn't forced though. He went for an interview and called people homophobic. Not double standards in the slightest.

 

[azertydu91]

Yeah you need to let go those people and even worse, I am sure that if you added one gay characer to please him he would've accused you of tokenism.
I have a cousin that is gay and I spent quite some time with him and his gay friends and none of them were like that sure they would've liked a bit more representation (it was 4 years ago I wonder how they feel now) but they are not angry or anything about it.If someone isgay in a medium great they can identify better but if there aren't it was not a problem to them at all.
It reminds me of a french humorist that when to court for a joke about down syndrome (he compared them to shrimps everything is good but the head) and he explained that people with down syndrome had no problem with the joke but "normal" people speaking in the name of the down syndrome ones had a problem with it.

 

[IDappa]

You can also meet 10 random strangers and have an excellent chance of all 10 of them being white.

Doesn’t mean it’s ok to have modern movies with only white characters in them.

I see these sorts of arguments constantly but who's arguing there shouldn't be POC people in entertainment?. I think people argue it should make sense within the lore and story if said entertainment.

 

[Wildebeest]

On one hand, you shouldn't be expected to be silent about your sexuality or hide it. On the other hand, if this isn't some sort of "just so" navy seals type copypasta, there are people who use issues like this to let their own toxic personalities run free and unchecked. Maybe you being gay isn't the only reason you don't get along with anyone, or why you get so angry every time you don't get your own way?

 

[Zeroing]

Ehh. You could meet 10 random strangers and have an excellent chance of all 10 of them being straight.

It's not somehow unrealistic to have a story with only a handful of characters and none of them happen to be LGBT.

The more characters you have though, the less defensible it becomes however.

Funny fact I’m the only gay from my village!

Ok I’ve stopped joking

 

[SSfox]

Retardation on its peak.

 

[Topher]

You can also meet 10 random strangers and have an excellent chance of all 10 of them being white.

Doesn’t mean it’s ok to have modern movies with only white characters in them.

Depends on the movie. There are countries where the percentage of white people is in the high 90s. So if a movie is set in Ireland it is certainly conceivable for the cast to be all white. If a movie is set in the US then it would definitely be a strange thing to see.

 

[PJX]

The same reason why you think a write should be forced to work on a story that has no gay characters? Double standards, double standards everywhere.

LOL did you even read the OP? Where did I mention he was being forced to work on the story? No one was forcing him to work on it. Are you stupid or just playing stupid?

 

[Fart Knight]

 

[CosmicComet]

The same reason why you think a write should be forced to work on a story that has no gay characters? Double standards, double standards everywhere.

Lol Except this doesn't happen.

And the TS didn't force the writer to do anything, they did not hire said writer.

The opposite happens all the time however, forcing others to conform.

An extremely disingenuous post here.

You can also meet 10 random strangers and have an excellent chance of all 10 of them being white.

Doesn’t mean it’s ok to have modern movies with only white characters in them.

Lol where do you live for that to even be true?

Bumfuck town Oklahoma?

If I were to see 10 random people that are all white where I live, I'd have to go to a country club or something to do it. And then I'd get weird stares for being the odd (brown) one out.

Edit: Also, are you suggesting that if someone did happen to make a story with a handful of characters that all happen to be white, that they shouldn't be allowed to do so?

That's some rather authoritarian bitch level energy there if so.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

There is no way someone gets this retarded for a job?

This has to be fake news. Like who would actually play up like that because some fictional character doesn't like dick/pussy/both?

 

[tmarmar]

The history of the world always tells us that trends go from one extreme to another. These days, there has been a shift from a situation of real discrimination against certain groups to delirious empowerment, with an excess of positive discrimination and cancellation for all those who don't go with the flow.

It seems that the impossible is to live a situation of balance

 

[Scotty W]

Inclusion

This entry in 'Translations from the Wokish' is an explanation of the term "Inclusion."

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Check out this resource op

 

[PJX]

There is no way someone gets this retarded for a job?

This has to be fake news. Like who would actually play up like that because some fictional character doesn't like dick/pussy/both?

Man, i wish I was lying but if I post any evidence of it, it could get ugly legally. So I don't want to take the chance.

I'm not even upset the guy asked to change one of the characters to be LGBTQ. My gripe with the whoel thing is that he called them homophobic when they refused to change it, because they already have stories and background for these characters. Plus the fact there are three LGBTQ people on the team.

 

[Shane89]

ahahhahaahha

 

[sn0man]

Long story short.The studio I'm working with on a project needed to bring in a writer to help flesh out the story and the lore of the universe they created which centers around 5 main characters. So when the writer came in for an interview and was brief on the story, he asked are there any LGBTQ characters in there. He was told no there isn't and he said well would you mind changing one of the characters to be gay or lesbian. He was told sorry but the characters already have background stories and they didn't want to change it. So the guy gets upset and said sorry but I can't work here if you aren't willing to make the project LGBTQ friendly and said they were being homophobic. Mind you, there are three LGBTQ staff members in the team.

I can understand he doesn't want to work on the story because of his preference but to label them homophobic gets my blood boiling. I had to bite my tongue.

I’m woke as a joke but that potential hire can take a long walk off a short pier. The characters and story are already set too bad.

His follow up question should have been, could we create a story in a future game or have NPC or whatever that happen to have those traits. Instead he martyred himself. No loss.

 

[Orta]

Just include a hot nymphomaniac lesbian with big tits. Problem solved.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

You don't, and that's my point.

Fuck some of you act like it's a personal attack if there is a gay character in something.

Hmmm...it seems like someone here is acting as if it's a personal attack if there isn't a gay character in something.

 

[shaddam]

Americans are strange

 

[Topher]

Denzel Washington is a wise man. This seems incredibly relatable, imo, to what is being discussed.

 

[Needlecrash]

Long story short.The studio I'm working with on a project needed to bring in a writer to help flesh out the story and the lore of the universe they created which centers around 5 main characters. So when the writer came in for an interview and was brief on the story, he asked are there any LGBTQ characters in there. He was told no there isn't and he said well would you mind changing one of the characters to be gay or lesbian. He was told sorry but the characters already have background stories and they didn't want to change it. So the guy gets upset and said sorry but I can't work here if you aren't willing to make the project LGBTQ friendly and said they were being homophobic. Mind you, there are three LGBTQ staff members in the team.

I can understand he doesn't want to work on the story because of his preference but to label them homophobic gets my blood boiling. I had to bite my tongue.

You dodged a bullet. Either way, if you'd added soneome that's LGBTQIA, you'd get shit that the person isn't fully represented and doesn't meet the standard. You saw this with Cyberpunk 2077.

 

[Swift_Star]

He wasn't forced. He was free to leave and he did.

Oh, really, why is OP crying about it?

LOL did you even read the OP? Where did I mention he was being forced to work on the story? No one was forcing him to work on it. Are you stupid or just playing stupid?

yes, you’re upset because someone is free to do something.

Lol Except this doesn't happen.

And the TS didn't force the writer to do anything, they did not hire said writer.

The opposite however happens all the time however, forcing others to conform.

An extremely disingenuous post here.

Lol where do you live for that to even be true?

Bumfuck town Oklahoma?

If I were to see 10 random people that are all white where I live, I'd have to go to a country club or something to do it. And then I'd get weird stares for being the odd (brown) one out.

Edit: Also, are you suggesting that if someone did happen to make a story with a handful of characters that all happen to be white, that they shouldn't be allowed to do so?

That's some rather authoritarian bitch level energy there if so.

I’m pretty sure he’s upset because someone thinks differently than him.

 

[Swift_Star]

Putting this thread on ignore, don’t want to read more stupid and whining takes.

 

[Topher]

Oh, really, why is OP crying about it?

Because the person accused the studio of being homophobic.

Putting this thread on ignore, don’t want to read more stupid and whining takes.

 

[A Most Virtuous Cat]

As others here are saying, you dodged a bullet.

 

[Modrot]

Imagine being so privileged that you get to interview for a writing position, and you piss it away because you couldn't leave your ego at the door.

 

[nemiroff]

Depends on the movie. There are countries where the percentage of white people is in the high 90s. So if a movie is set in Ireland it is certainly conceivable for the cast to be all white. If a movie is set in the US then it would definitely be a strange thing to see.

I for one am deeply concerned by the lack of white people in Chinese movies.. It keeps me awake at night - Or perhaps it was the storm outside, IDK..

 

[PJX]

Oh, really, why is OP crying about it?

yes, you’re upset because someone is free to do something.

I’m pretty sure he’s upset because someone thinks differently than him.

Imagine being this narrow minded and stupid, plus lacking reading comphrension. Selective reading at its finest.

 

[Topher]

I for one am deeply concerned by the lack of white people in Chinese movies.. It keeps me awake at night - Or perhaps it was the storm outside, IDK..

Uma Thurman, trail blazing....

Oh wait......Quentin Tarantino is white. Oh well...

 

[Neofire]

Alphabet gang strikes again

 

[AJUMP23]

Don’t sign the activist.

 

[Fbh]

I mean...it's up to him to decide where he wants to work. If he has some other source of income and can afford to wait until he gets the chance to work on a story he likes then good for him I guess.
But the second this person starts complaining about financial woes or how hard it is to find a job he should be told to fuck off.

Good for your workplace though, better to skip the bullet right ahead instead of having to deal with someone like this after he has been hired.

Why can’t gaming be normal about this? Took me half my life to learn that a friend is gay.

Gaming: ”Hello stranger, I’m Steve and I’m gay.”

Because how will people know how woke and progressive you are unless you constantly remind them how gay one of your characters is by focusing their entire personality, backstory and story arc around their sexual orientation.

Remember, in the world of woke the most important aspect about yourself are your race, gender and sexual identity. Other stuff like personality, interests, skills, career, etc are all pretty much irrelevant to who you are.

 

[zaanan]

You can also meet 10 random strangers and have an excellent chance of all 10 of them being white.

Doesn’t mean it’s ok to have modern movies with only white characters in them.

“You can also meet 10 random strangers and have an excellent chance of all 10 of them being black. Doesn’t mean it’s ok to have modern movies with only black characters in them”

“You can also meet 10 random strangers and have an excellent chance of all 10 of them being women. Doesn’t mean it’s ok to have modern movies with only women characters in them”

“You can also meet 10 random strangers and have an excellent chance of all 10 of them being queer. Doesn’t mean it’s ok to have modern movies with only queer characters in them”

I think you know it is definitely ok and applauded to have all the above, so it is racist and heterophobic to claim “white” and “straight” versions are forbidden. Don’t be disingenuous.

And to those who are saying “there’s another forum for this,” you know the point of view expressed in the OP would be immediately banned into oblivion over there.

Again. Don’t be disingenuous.