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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I'm at work so I don't have a lot of time to address everything but the thing that continues to stand out to me is how you keep saying "looking sloppy, unkempt, dirty, etc" ... When presented with examples of hairstyles that aren't any of those things... And how you also added in a previous post saying "those aren't too bad" suggesting that they're still ugly.
I get that what you consider nice looking and what I consider the same can be different because it's suggestive. But what isn't is that those hair styles are NEAT, not sloppy, well done and nary a hair out of place. Here in Atlanta, I've seen black women with those types of hairstyles IN the bank at the teller position or in those side offices.
It kinda ticks me off that you keep associating those hairstyles that don't conform to European beauty standards as "sloppy, ugly, unkempt". I know you're in Canada but do you have ANY black women friends who style their hair different from straight?
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I heard that about the academy... I also heard the producer of the show told Will to stay.
If the producer tells me to stay and that I don't have to leave, I'm staying in my seat.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
That's also over 25 years ago! LMBO! You realize people change over time, right? OMG! LOL!
PaddyOCanager
Member
I also noticed that in Asia - Korea, Japan etc... quite a few more seem to think Chris Rock as the perpetrator, he's the bad one.
Although many don't think violence is the answer, they say they would have done the same in Will's shoe. I was quite surprised, honestly.
Cultural differences, I guess. They just don't seem to understand that actually being "joked" on that stage is almost some sort of a nod to be so famous... and that Jada joke was pretty tame and lame.
He even added "Jada, I love you" first -which really means he's just joking.
For them, Chris Rock is just a rude comedian who made joke of little Asian kids while introducing them as future accountants or phone makers on 2016 Oscars... while Will Smith being the examplary success story - so that didn't help either.
I guess they just don't know that real man would have just laughed with the joke and probably add a bit more in "Married with Children" style.
(Then again, many friends/families think I'm an Americanized banana back home.)
If violence is ok, where is the line then? Is Will Smith allowed to murder Chris Rock for his speech? If not, then logically that must mean these people agree there is a level of violence that is condoned and a level of violence that is not condoned. Who or what establishes that line? How do you logically run a society based on such metrics of variable violence? Unless you don't care about protecting free speech of course.
scoobidoo112
Member
OmG! LmFAo! OmEGALulZ! LoL! Christ, it's like I'm back on 2004 MSN.
Notice how he didn't get smacked in the face in that clip for making a joke? And now he's committing assault for someone doing the same thing?
The "people change over time" thing only works when people turn themselves into better people, not when they lose their fucking mind. Try again.
akimbo009
Gold Member
Maybe Chris Rock could play Will Smith in the inevitable movie biopic of Smith's life...
Seeing Chris Rock play Will Smith in a montage of famous Will Smith scenes would be......AWESOME!
"Welcome to Earf!" SLAP
strange headache
Banned
So the Academy lied about asking Will Smith to leave:
Also the reason why they never reached consensus was due to the optics of throwing out a black person:
This is so f*cked up and clearly shows the hypocritical double standard of Hollywood's demented wokeism.
Also the reason why they never reached consensus was due to the optics of throwing out a black person:
This is so f*cked up and clearly shows the hypocritical double standard of Hollywood's demented wokeism.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
just curious what would be your reaction if Rock had put Jada on blast for having an affair , or making a cuck joke at Will's expense? because I feel like if that were the case, more people would be sympathetic to wills response, at least in the US, but I suspect it's other way around for you
not trying to dogpile on u brother
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yeah, but he was laughing out loud at the GI Jane joke at first so he hasnt changed in 25 years.
DeepBreath87
Banned
What it shows is what actual privilege looks like.
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
Punished Miku
Member
I called that one. It was extremely obvious imho.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Jada hasn't even publically defended Will even though he ruined his own reputation to defend her.
Shows you exactly who the narcissist is in that relationship or whatever the fuck they call it.
Shows you exactly who the narcissist is in that relationship or whatever the fuck they call it.
chromhound
Member
The Academy Lied About Will Smith Refusing To Leave The Oscars
According to TMZ, Will Smith was never asked to leave the Oscars. In fact, he was asked to stay.
lachesis
Member
Well, I can't vouch on everyone over there - It's not really saying "violence is okay"... that's something of "result" of what Rock said to Jada/Smith (and what Will did is wrong to most people).
I think they are more "sympathetic" to Will Smith.
However, I can safely say that what I'm keep hearing is
"you never let others insult your family/woman (or you are not a man)"
"you don't insult someone's sick wife - if you did, you are the bad guy - and should expect blow back if you did"
You know, that macho-idea like the movie "Taken" & the vigilante justice.
They are not really advocating violence, but I think it's more of siding/sympathizing with the standing up against mockery done to your loved one.
So in our point of view, blaming Rock is victim blaming. But their point of view, while Rock is indeed a victim of violence, he gave Smith the reason to hit him.
And unlike female, violence against men - especially non-fatal ones tend to go overlooked in its severity over there too.
On top of that, you know - the language barrier. The humor lost in translation. Not knowing the whole situation (many thought Jada had some terminal illness).
I can tell however, in personal experience, is that it did take me a while to understand Western stand-up comic humor. And many thought it was just rude remark.
Back in the early 90s when I was first introduced to western stand-up comic via great George Carlin... at first, I was pretty shocked & offended.
I thought who the heck is this old guy talking shit over everything? But after watching a few more of his specials on HBO and other comics... I started understand and appreciate more and more of the art of western stand-up comics... (and now enjoy very much)... and I'm squarely in Chris Rock side in this case.
The concept of freedom is also much narrower. They take the freedom as you are free as long as you don't bother/hurt anyone doing so. It's much more strict in a way & shame the self indulgence.
For that specific reason, I often get called out being selfish and too individualistic in many cases.
lachesis
Member
If true - shame on them. Wow.
chromhound
Member
You're surprised? People are hypocrite because they are scared of being cancelled lol
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
You have a hard time understanding what I meant. Out of your hair example, the only one I singled out as wacky is the one with the weird stuff on the bac of the woman's head. The other hairstyles are fine enough for most places.
Your definition of NEAT being the only requirement for acceptable hair is wrong. Colin Kaepernick technically has a NEAT afro. It's big and round. If he was a normal guy looking for a normal job, almost nobody is going to hire him no matter how neat and tidy he makes his giant afro with an 18 inch radius.
You seem to not look at reality and notice few jobs of high level have nobody with crazy hair. And you ignore I bring up bad hair with other bad appearances. So to you, someone with NEAT symmetrical tattoos all over their face with perfectly dyed pink hair would be acceptable too. It wont in 99% of places and jobs.
But as I said to you before, I bet you dont have a decent job or work in modest office environments. Because if you ever did, youd notice this already. And if you really want to get conservative, work at a head office of a financial institution (I have) where 20 floors of people in business casual and suit and tie attire. You wont see one crazy hairdo, face piercing or pink hair in the entire building. Thats life.
Dont get me wrong. I know in these kinds of threads you always fight the fight to protect your culture. But you got to look at reality.
j0hnnix
Member
It will probably include a cgi version of Tupac as her navy commander.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
thats real or fake?
Or he was acting it to increase the audience of the oscars
Or he was acting it to increase the audience of the oscars
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If I was Jada, I'd scope out any Civil War movie as she'd be a shoe in hire.
The CGI and special effects team can save a lot of money by just rotoscoping her head for cannonballs.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
hahahaha
*slap*
After the slap in the temporal lobe, restructuring axons and neurons... 1 second after brain reset.
ho ho Wow!!!
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PaddyOCanager
Member
Yeah, I've heard the "being a man" argument. Will Smith didn't act like a man, he acted like a 3 year old child.
A strong, competent man doesn't risk his life, his freedom, his property, the future safety and security of his children - over a joke.
A strong, competent woman doesn't want her man to martyr himself for her so called "honor".
Will risked everything over a joke. Jada not only encouraged it, but laughed in the aftermath.
If Will Smith was a "real man" he would've laughed it off - because he's Will fucking Smith - then when accepting his award he would've taken his own verbal shots at Chris, followed up by spotlighting how stunning and brave he thinks his wife is. Instead, he acted like a weak man desperately seeking to display his masculinity and win the approval of his wife - which he never will, because the man she wants to be with is dead.
DeepBreath87
Banned
And he invited infinitely more insulting and degrading language to be aimed at him and his family. Because that’s what you do when you display weakness. You invite more trouble. You think there aren’t opportunistic assholes itching to try to get under Will’s skin? People who can’t wait to file a lawsuit or paparazzi hoping to rile him up for a controversy. Those are terrible people. But Will Smith just showed them he’s weak to that kind of thing.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Trying to prove youre a tough guy is something very skewed to being young. At some point whether it's school or college age you get all amped up and the world expects men to act like knights in shining armour ready to lay waste to evil doers. It's a kind of attitude meant for young people.
Will Smith is 53 years old, acting like a 13 year old.
It gets to a point, you "should" outgrow it. It's not like Chris Rock is trying to kill will or Jada. He's cracking jokes on stage at a awards show. The second that GIJANE joke is over, he's moving on to the next bit.
I outgrew it. My last fights were in high school where were pissing each other off in gym class hitting each other.
Just to show how stupid Will Smith is acting like a child, look at all the times someone pissed you off as an adult.... road rage, someone at work you hear is badmouthing you maybe trying to get you fired from your job, people acting like a jerk and bumping into you, some cashier giving you attitude etc....
How many times out of all of these have you went up to the guy and hit him? And look at what I posted above. There could be people trying to get you fired at work claiming you messed up ("people were saying you messed up the file"). Chances are probably zero times. Angry? Yeah. Enough to hit a guy in a parking lot or at work? Probably not.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Gold Member
Jada a 24/7 drive thru
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SiteSeer
Member
come on man it’s the oscars, where rich and famous people go onstage to congratulate other rich and famous people and give each other golden statues for all the world to see. other types of rich people fuck off into the middle of the ocean on some yacht, these people have their heads firmly up their own asses, delusions of grandeur may be the least surprising trait amongst them.
Hawking Radiation
Member
He has a narcissistic wife who has been emotionally controlling him for years. Remember she fucked one of her sons friends while married to this guy.
She has him on a leesh and while its easy to blame him for the incident, where the fuck is she since this all went down? She hasn't uttered a single word in defense of Will, while he has assaulted someone else in defense of her.
Also she's left a vague as post on IG. Just a lame ass 'I'm here for the healing' BS . There's no 'We' in that message in reference to her husband or family. It's 'I' and has always been that way for a long time.
Unfortunately he's taking the brunt of the heat right now and its telling that she's doing sweet fuck all to either defend him or address this issue from her point of view.
As a caring human being you expect her to mount some sort of defense since Will is under all sorts of pressure from the media, social media and some of his fans but where is Jada? August is probably blowing her back out. That's where the fuck she is.
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Vestal
Gold Member
Why is this shit still a thing?
The amount of whataboutism, fake outrage, and honestly hijacking of the whole situation... Like seriously?
It was a "bad" joke to get a cheap laugh, just like many hosts at the Oscars have done in the past. It was an atrocious reaction by Will Smith, honestly I thought he was better than that. I mean, LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.. You don't go slap someone on stage the same night you are nominated(and won) a fucking award. This is not a black or white thing, not a man vs woman thing.. This is just plain ol' being DUMB as fuck in how to handle a situation.
The amount of whataboutism, fake outrage, and honestly hijacking of the whole situation... Like seriously?
It was a "bad" joke to get a cheap laugh, just like many hosts at the Oscars have done in the past. It was an atrocious reaction by Will Smith, honestly I thought he was better than that. I mean, LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.. You don't go slap someone on stage the same night you are nominated(and won) a fucking award. This is not a black or white thing, not a man vs woman thing.. This is just plain ol' being DUMB as fuck in how to handle a situation.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Its a thing because now there will be security concerns for show hosts or comedians around the country or around the world.
What is stopping anyone else from doing this at your local comedy club?
I mean they're putting up signs at comedy clubs around America regarding this incident, warning people of bans if this kind of behavior occurs on the premises.
Its a thing because kids look up to A list actors. They are role models and with this kind of behavior, what kind of message does this send to our youth?
Its also another thing that highlights narcissism and how it can affect someone to the point where they act impulsively to negative emotions even for a harmless joke.
Then there's the thing about the academy itself and how fucking poorly they've handled this. Its now not just a spotlight on Will but the whole fucking organization and how inept and full of shit they all are.
It may be just a slap to you but because of the large audience these people command it is much more than just that.
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It's all in the wrist
Member
Award shows suck. They need to just turn it into Jerry Springer every year. I'd like to see Mel Gibson fight someone next year. It would probably go like this.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Ok ...
I'm 47. I grew up in Mississippi. I left Mississippi 15 years ago to work at a magazine (which is now defunct) where I was deputy editor. Met Christian Audigier, Chilli from TLC, Roy Jones Jr and other celebrities. Been on location for photoshoots. Covered E3 twice (as in BEING there). Wrote and edited articles. So I'm familiar with actual office etiquette and dress codes. I'm used to dressing up and making myself presentable in company with wealthy individuals and and celebrities.
I haven't been part of that industry in AGES! Not since 2013. Why? Depression which lead me to doubt myself and just work blue collar jobs. I'm having to re-find myself and rebuild my confidence. At 47.
I'm working to get into a different business where I would be working with some amazing people (technically I already do but anyway...) and making good money again.
It's been hard but as I've mentioned BEFORE, I am familiar with work settings and have witnessed many black women professionals with hair similar to the ones in the pics I posted yesterday. Shoot... One woman on our board is a lawyer and she has locs!
I know you weren't trying to disparage me but I wanted to give you a bit more background on me since you think you had me figured out.
Oh, and I can provide proof to backup what I claimed was my former job.
Porcile
Member
Surprise, onlyPorcile has said "He comes across as a complete psychopath" not that he was a psychopath. 1 person that you have locked onto typing that and then got all up in your feels.
I said he came across as a psycho, meaning a randomly violent weirdo (which he did, by the way) and that was before I had even seen his fucking weird acceptance speech.
nush
Gold Member
Of course, it was a similarly not a statement of fact.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
MaestroMike
Gold Member
demigod
Member
I lost all respect for Will Smith. He was laughing at the joke, looked at Jada’s face/body language and had to stand up for her. What a little bitch he is. How the hell you gonna punch a comedian for a joke when you yourself is one? I hope someone replaces his ass in I am Legend 2.
Chris Rock took that shit like a man.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
And that's fine we can agree to disagree.
All I'm saying (hence my 99% claim which people use 99% as an exaggerated stat for sake of argument) is that out of the norm hair, dress, tattoos etc.... is going to lead to being difficult getting hired.
It makes no difference how smart someone is or how good their resume is.
Is that discriminatory? I guess so. But thats the way life works. You got to put on a good impression to get people to like you and not feel weird. Thats why someything as common as going for a job interview, you typically dont have people slumming it looking like shit with bed head. At worst, you got people wearing normal casual clothes like kids applying for a job at McDonalds where they fill out an application form at the restaurant beside the supervisor (while I eat lunch two tables down). A job like that nobody expects someone coming in wearing a suit. Or at my work (warehouse connected), blue collar guys come in either wearing a very basic cheap button shirt, or come in wearing jeans. Again, not the kind of job people expect someone to come in all dressed up for work or an interview. But for most decent jobs, there's a certain level of etiquette and dress code you got to do.
For example, my company is business casual with casual Fridays. Even with casual Fridays, it's still need to wear nice jeans (no ripped up stuff), closed toe shoes, and collared shirts. So youre not supposed to come in wearing sandals and a Beavis and Butthead ACDC stained Tshirt.
Thats just the way it is in many places. Hey, I'd love it if I could come in wearing sweatpants and my cheap ass black XL George Tshirt I buy from Walmart for $10 (which as crazy as it sounds is the best basic Tshirt I've ever bought), but the company would tell me to home and changed. Or at best, tell me it's ok today, but next time dont do it again.
It might be hard ass office politics, but I've seen people asked to go home and change after showing up to work wearing decent looking jeans when it wasnt a Friday.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I get you. I do. I'm just not using extreme examples like what you're stating.
We're just gonna agree to disagree. Like men.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Thats fine. No worries.
But Ill give you real life example from my good buddy who is VP. We've had this exact same discussion before. I forget how or why we even talked about it. I gave him the exact same scenario if an ultra good candidate came in with face tattoos. Would you hire him?
"Not a chance"
His reasoning is imagine having this guy in a big board meeting or online conference and a bunch of other high level execs see a guy like this, and they know I hired him. They'd think it's a clown show.
He'd just find another candidate out there to hire who has the skills and personality without the dramatics of looks.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
GymWolf
Member
The narrative that europeans are more hot headed than americans who buy 50 cal guns at the grocery store is pretty funny, not gonna lie.
before people get mad, i was joking
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thefool
Member
Just imagine the shitshow if either will or chris were white. I think some people would have rioted.
DeepBreath87
Banned
I think it Will was a white guy, it would actually be less of a discussion. They would just say he’s racist and we would never hear from him again.