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OFFICIAL: Starfield and Redfall delayed to 2023

PuffyCan

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Hope they have something for this holiday other than Deathloop and Forza, doesn't look like a good year compared to last year. Is there any hope to have Hellblade II this year?
 

Andodalf

Banned
Fallout was also new for them and it still took them only 2-3 years after Oblivion. So your point is?
Do you really think they‘re output will magically improve after Starfield and TESVI is out 2 years after that?

Oh wow I didn't know fallout was a new IP, why on earth did they call the first game 3? And wow was that really not on the same gen as Oblivion? I guess I really had that mixed up!

The Gap from Starfield to Tes 6 will be much smaller than what we're in now. Not 2 years, but a much more reasonable 4
 

Kimahri

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A showcase like they did with starfield right? Show games that are literally years away from releasing and then delay those right? I’m just trying to understand the logic low as we have seen time and time again that MS can’t get their house in any order at all. But hey, they may just pull off a AAA game a month if this keeps up

This is you:

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Zeroing

Banned
They have NOTHING coming this year as far as we know. Not a god damn thing. Shits crazy
I know even I though they somehow got things sorted but it’s the old pattern again! I just feel so stupid for investing on a console this early with no real proof things would be for the better.

Anyway I’ve learned my lesson!
 
According to Jeff Grubb don't bet on it. Like someone else mentioned their best bet is to do something like they did with B4BLOOD. I would get Gotham Knights or something big for fall. But even Gotham KNights looks like shit from the new gameplay they showed off. Microsoft needs something big to close out 2022, and Forza can't be it.

I hope 2023 is like the second coming of christ for them because if Insomniac, Naughty Dog hold true, 2023 going to be packed with big AAA titles.

Honestly doubt they get Gotham Knights; they would have to pay probably something like $100 million if not more to net that game for GamePass, especially Day 1. MS haven't spent that much (and that is a conservative estimate for GK) for a 3P Day 1 into GamePass in....ever, really.

I'm just shocked at how big a fail this all is. Now RedFall, I could've accepted that being delayed, as they had very vague release window, we've seen nothing of it outside the CG trailer and early gameplay leaks, and rumors were already saying it'd be delayed. But Starfield? The game they've been teasing with ego-inflated video vignettes for a year now showing no actual gameplay yet? That they had a firm release date locked in for?

That one's inexcusable IMHO. They should've waited until they knew for sure the game was ready for that date before committing to it.

I know even I though they somehow got things sorted but it’s the old pattern again! I just feel so stupid for investing on a console this early with no real proof things would be for the better.

Anyway I’ve learned my lesson!

No Starfield, no STALKER 2 (most likely), no Replaced, no RedFall,...won't be surprised if Scorn gets delayed, Bright Memory Infinite still has no Xbox release set.

If you're talking about console exclusives, it is extremely dry for Xbox this year outside of maybe the new Forza. But that's a known entity.
 
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JimmyRustler

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Oh wow I didn't know fallout was a new IP, why on earth did they call the first game 3? And wow was that really not on the same gen as Oblivion? I guess I really had that mixed up!

The Gap from Starfield to Tes 6 will be much smaller than what we're in now. Not 2 years, but a much more reasonable 4
Fallout was indeed a new IP for Bethesda and they revamped it royally. The only difference to a brand new IP like Starfield is perhaps that they didn’t have to write a completely new universe into existance. Because aside from the background Fallout 3 had little to nothing to do with it‘s prequels.
 

Leyasu

Banned
Xbox will be lucky to have Forza, Deathloop and Stalker for the end of the year.. Wasn't Scorn slated for this year too? All in all though, I was more looking forward to Redfall and Starfield than those others

Looks like I might buy COD this year...
 

Andodalf

Banned
Fallout was indeed a new IP for Bethesda and they revamped it royally. The only difference to a brand new IP like Starfield is perhaps that they didn’t have to write a completely new universe into existance. Because aside from the background Fallout 3 had little to nothing to do with it‘s prequels.

You vastly underestimate the work that goes into creating a new IP.
 
Xbox will be lucky to have Forza, Deathloop and Stalker for the end of the year.. Wasn't Scorn slated for this year too? All in all though, I was more looking forward to Redfall and Starfield than those others

Looks like I might buy COD this year...

Yeah, Scorn is supposedly set for Fall 2022 but that has a good chance of being delayed at this rate. Also, where is Bright Memory Infinite? Where is ExoMecha? It's been over two years since these games were shown and one has a PC release (IIRC) but no word on Xbox one yet; the other is just straight up MIA.

Starfield getting delayed, after a confirmed locked release date AND all the video vignette diaries, is inexcusable. That's an L no matter how you look at it.
 

Ezekiel_

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You probably got a little stiff when you read the thread title.
My first reaction was "This must be a joke post".

I was firmly in the camp that if they announce an exact date so far in advance, surely they were going to nail it.
 
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Markio128

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Donning my optimistic cap for one moment; surely to god MS will have at least a surprise or two for release this year, following the show in June. That mountain of releases that Riky keeps implying feels more like an anthill at the moment.
 
I am expecting holiday 2023 now. Maybe later. If they released it 11/11/22 it probably would be all fucked up like cyberpunk. Hopefully it will be a little less fucked up when its finally released lol. Couldnt microsoft send in some expert coders to clean it up and give suggestions? They are just letting Bethesda be Bethesda with zero interference aren’t they.
 
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Andodalf

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And people got angry when anyone pointed out it was a bit weird that this big game was coming in like 7 months and yet we have seen no gameplay and every new video is some devs talking over concept art.
It's almost like their last couple games also had E3 reveals followed by holiday launches or something
 

Naked Lunch

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This isn't a "modern gaming" problem; there is a managerial issue at the top of Xbox division when it comes to keeping games on track, overpromising and underdelivering. There was no reason to plaster Nov. 12, 2022 for Starfield if they weren't 100% sure they would hit that date, it makes these video vignettes look very stupid in retrospect.

Nintendo doesn't really have this issue. Sony doesn't really have this issue. Majority of the big 3P publishers don't have this issue. This specific issue of promising things and not delivering on what was promised (in this case, hard-set release dates). This is a unique issue and Microsoft are one of the few companies who continuously suffer from it.
Nah its a modern gaming issue. I understand your angle of announcing the release date and not delivering, sure - its a really bad look. Personally, Im not even a big Bethesda fan - my post was more about the state of modern gaming.

Develop times have been out of control for years now. Games take too long to make.
Elder Scrolls 6 likely wont be out for another 10 years. I mean, really? Ill be using walker and wearing depends before I play it.
The PS360 era (and gens before) had way way way more games. From all publishers.

Just from the PS360 era alone: Capcom was busting out hits every other month. There was tons of brand new action games and RPGs, racing, fighting. Devs had time to take chances on lower key stuff like 3D Bionic Commando, Folklore, 5 Armored Core games, Vanquish, Binary Domain, the as mentioned Oblivion/FO3/Skyrim in the same gen, etc. Where are these games in modern gaming?

Games of this quality and quantity are a rarity - it seems the big console makers rely on the indies to make up for the droughts - but the indies to me are mostly wannbe SNES games that dont come anywhere close to the originals they are trying to mimic. The industry has turned into one big waiting game.
 
If they didn't know until recently, the only confirmed option is Halo:Infinite Season 3 in November or delay Deathloop to November (which would make zero sense). The best option is to go out and throw stupid money for time exclusive games to hold until the new year. Buying Bethesda was meant to get them out of the barren first party releases.

If their only big thing is Halo Infinite Season 3, they better make DAMN sure it's a real season in terms of genuine content. Campaign co-op, new campaign mode content, Battle Royale, Forge even. Make sure you've got a decent number of new maps and weapons this time, too.

Season 2 is already struggling because there was barely any new content, and it's not like other shooters won't be coming around Fall or live-service shooters not getting big updates around then. Season 3 is the absolute last chance for Halo Infinite to redeem itself in terms of rebuilding a large player count, IMO. Deathloop is kind of a non-starter in this type of conversation; it didn't do much in terms of sales on PS5 and gamers seemed to have very different opinions from the critics on that game.

They can't put the new COD in GamePass because that could be seen as taking advantage of the ongoing acquisition deal and violate terms there. So what's left, really? Gotham Knights? I kind of doubt they'll get that Day 1 in GamePass; not just because of the costs, but because I wouldn't be surprised if Sony already has some type of co-marketing deal set up with WB for that game (as they seem to have with the new Harry Potter), and such a deal would likely lock out the game from being on any competing subscription service Day 1. In fact I expect both Harry Potter and Gotham Knights to be among the 3P games that'll have pre-launch game trails on PS+ Premium, if anything.

Unless Hellblade II is ready for this year I don't think Xbox has anything else guaranteed as a lock outside of the next Forza Motorsport, and that is still speculation in terms of being a 2022 release. What a blunder.

Nah its a modern gaming issue. I understand your angle of announcing the release date and not delivering, sure - its a really bad look. Personally, Im not even a big Bethesda fan - my post was more about the state of modern gaming.

Develop times have been out of control for years now. Games take too long to make.
Elder Scrolls 6 likely wont be out for another 10 years. I mean, really? Ill be using walker and wearing depends before I play it.
The PS360 era (and gens before) had way way way more games. From all publishers.

Just from the PS360 era alone: Capcom was busting out hits every other month. There was tons of brand new action games and RPGs, racing, fighting. Devs had time to take chances on lower key stuff like 3D Bionic Commando, Folklore, 5 Armored Core games, Vanquish, Binary Domain, the as mentioned Oblivion/FO3/Skyrim in the same gen, etc. Where are these games in modern gaming?

Games of this quality and quantity are a rarity - it seems the big console makers rely on the indies to make up for the droughts - but the indies to me are mostly wannbe SNES games that dont come anywhere close to the originals they are trying to mimic. The industry has turned into one big waiting game.

Okay I can see where you're coming from when you get more specific like this. Yes the big AAA games are taking longer and longer to make; the lockdowns due to COVID didn't help, either. I think that's part of the reason these acquisitions have been happening, but in truth that's a redistribution of market labor. You either get all these additional teams pumping out a set number of games that are taking longer and longer to make (so longer stretches of no releases, then short bursts of a lot of releases), or you shift all those extra teams to help speed up production on a single title or two (so shorter stretches for game releases, but less games being released at a time).

Actually, what the industry needs is AI programming, as in machine-learning trained programming models that can auto-generate content creation, then you have specialists who "curate" that content to give it a more human, artistic flair. ML-powered programming simulators that can type code, dialog, generate graphics, build out polygonal meshes and models, etc. Think of stuff like GPT-3.

That would be the real ticket towards expediating AAA game development while maintaining or increasing the amount of content as a whole, although there are some ethical issues that might pop up (WRT worker displacement). But we're probably over a decade away from any of this really happening...if ever.
 
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cragarmi

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I can not find any information leaked footage going back to 2014 only screenshot leak in 2018.
I clearly remember seeing it, it basically looked like a moded Skyrim at the time, and was also said to be multiplatform, it was just described as being like Skyrim in space. I'm sure I'm not the only one who can remember this, also the name was trademarked as early as 2013.
 

Dick Jones

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If their only big thing is Halo Infinite Season 3, they better make DAMN sure it's a real season in terms of genuine content. Campaign co-op, new campaign mode content, Battle Royale, Forge even. Make sure you've got a decent number of new maps and weapons this time, too.

Season 2 is already struggling because there was barely any new content, and it's not like other shooters won't be coming around Fall or live-service shooters not getting big updates around then. Season 3 is the absolute last chance for Halo Infinite to redeem itself in terms of rebuilding a large player count, IMO. Deathloop is kind of a non-starter in this type of conversation; it didn't do much in terms of sales on PS5 and gamers seemed to have very different opinions from the critics on that game.

They can't put the new COD in GamePass because that could be seen as taking advantage of the ongoing acquisition deal and violate terms there. So what's left, really? Gotham Knights? I kind of doubt they'll get that Day 1 in GamePass; not just because of the costs, but because I wouldn't be surprised if Sony already has some type of co-marketing deal set up with WB for that game (as they seem to have with the new Harry Potter), and such a deal would likely lock out the game from being on any competing subscription service Day 1. In fact I expect both Harry Potter and Gotham Knights to be among the 3P games that'll have pre-launch game trails on PS+ Premium, if anything.

Unless Hellblade II is ready for this year I don't think Xbox has anything else guaranteed as a lock outside of the next Forza Motorsport, and that is still speculation in terms of being a 2022 release. What a blunder.
Well know more in June for the not-E3 show. COD is a non starter for Gamepass as Sony still have marketing over it until next year. I imagine like the RE:Village deal, Sony don't allow marketed products go on subscription services. The Forza development needs to be fully supported along with the Halo:Infinite soft reboot. If I was MS I'd throw the money at the not-Batman game and put it on Gamepass (fuck the cost, get something big for interest at Christmas).
 
Rather disappointing.

If you bought an Xbox for Starfield, I could see you being rather annoyed.

I wonder what is their Q4 release then?
They'll spend the money to get a few big games on Gamepass day one. They find a way to cover. We also haven't heard anything about their other "regular" big games Forza/Gears etc. that could come holiday 2022. Xbox usually has something for holiday.
 

CrustyBritches

Gold Member
Cyberpunk was good on PC and streaming, it was the last gen systems that ate shit.

This is turning into a Halo Infinite situation where they delay for an extra year and the game is still only half finished.
 

Leyasu

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Yeah, Scorn is supposedly set for Fall 2022 but that has a good chance of being delayed at this rate. Also, where is Bright Memory Infinite? Where is ExoMecha? It's been over two years since these games were shown and one has a PC release (IIRC) but no word on Xbox one yet; the other is just straight up MIA.

Starfield getting delayed, after a confirmed locked release date AND all the video vignette diaries, is inexcusable. That's an L no matter how you look at it.
I can see Scorn (doesn't look that great in all honesty) getting delayed. I also forgot that the Stalker devs are Ukranian (I hope that they are keeping safe) so that aint coming either.

I don't know about inexcusable. These are difficult times unfortunately. But it is disappointing to Starfield and Redfall getting pushed. Trying to be optimistic, hopefully MS money is giving Bethesda the room to spit and polish their products. We will see. I was especially looking forward to some 4 player coop on Redfall though.
 
Well know more in June for the not-E3 show. COD is a non starter for Gamepass as Sony still have marketing over it until next year. I imagine like the RE:Village deal, Sony don't allow marketed products go on subscription services. The Forza development needs to be fully supported along with the Halo:Infinite soft reboot. If I was MS I'd throw the money at the not-Batman game and put it on Gamepass (fuck the cost, get something big for interest at Christmas).

You mean Gotham Knights? Yeah I strongly doubt they'll be able to get that in GamePass, regardless how much money they throw. Given Sony already seem to have some type of marketing deal with Harry Potter, I would be surprised if they ignored the chance to lock something down with Gotham Knights. And the way Sony does co-marketing deals, they wouldn't allow a game into a competitor's subscription service as that would undermine the entire point of such a co-marketing deal.

They better put everything they have into the new Forza and Halo: Infinite Season 3; even though it's still them falling into the Halo/Gears/Forza meme, what else do they really have for this year? Deathloop? Not a big deal. Scorn? Not a guarantee. STALKER 2 and Replaced are MIA, so are Bright Memory Infinite and ExoMecha. Their only other realistic big game they can bring out is Hellblade II, but none of the "insiders" have suggested that's a late 2022 release whatsoever. Why start believing it will be now?

I can see Scorn (doesn't look that great in all honesty) getting delayed. I also forgot that the Stalker devs are Ukranian (I hope that they are keeping safe) so that aint coming either.

I don't know about inexcusable. These are difficult times unfortunately. But it is disappointing to Starfield and Redfall getting pushed. Trying to be optimistic, hopefully MS money is giving Bethesda the room to spit and polish their products. We will see. I was especially looking forward to some 4 player coop on Redfall though.

It's inexcusable for me because they basically paraded Starfield being ready for November 2022 a year ago, and the video vignettes/diaries they've done gave off an air of confidence they'd be hitting that date. No gameplay yet? That's okay, it'll be at E3 so you can see for yourselves the game's ready for November. Now I actually doubt we'll get any Starfield gameplay at E3, they could actually push that back!

RedFall getting delayed is a bit less egregious if only because there seemed to be no official communication showing faith it would ever hit Summer 2022, plus rumors were already saying it was getting delayed to Fall, a couple even later than that. And I can forgive STALKER 2 and Replaced because of the Ukraine/Russia conflict (and yeah, hope the devs and their families/friends/loved ones/significant others stay safe).

But what about Bright Memory Infinite? What about ExoMecha? Is Scorn actually a lock for Fall? Is Deathloop going to have a bevy of new content for the Xbox version? All up in the air.
 
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