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[solidus12]

If we can count old games that play and work better can I count all the 360 backwards compatibility games?

Don't forget Kinectimals

edit: deleting the .gif didn't realize it wasn't the tiger

 

[bluecowboys]

Yeah but his point was they aren’t in the same league as GoW and Zelda, and he’s right. Luckily for Xbox Bethesda games (IMO) are in that very top tier.

And as someone who’s played a lot of Halo, Infinite can not be classed as anything close to ‘must have’.

What? Forza horizon 5 scored a 92 on metacritic and was the highest scored game last year.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Influencers are a complete waste of time whatever the brand. It serves their own purposes and certainly not the consumer. I’d rather listen to old people shagging than any of their shite.

Irrelevant.

 

[Banjo64]

What? Forza horizon 5 scored a 92 on metacritic and was the highest scored game last year.

So?

https://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/year/all/filtered?view=detailed

Look at some highly rated games from this year. Half of them are shit in my opinion, but that’s beside the point. It’s one thing getting a high critic score, it’s another thing to become a phenomenon like BOTW/The Witcher 3/Skyrim/Elden Ring.

 

[GHG]

We are not sure when the clause would end, but 2025 will not be near the end of this generation. Look at how ps4 and Xbox one is still being supported 9 years later.

Not true, the COD casuals will only play COD for a short while 3 to 4 months. That is why we see a pretty huge drop off. So it would be cheaper to subscribe instead. Not to mention they wouldn’t even need a console to play it.

People who don't have consoles can and do already play call of duty.

The nonsense that people are going to suddenly start streaming an ultra competitive game is a funny one. And no, casuals continue to play casually throughout the year until the next release, it's the same story with FIFA.

Quit with the bullshit that this deal is for humanitarian purposes. Nobody is buying it.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Xbox has game pass, the best deal in gaming. There never seems to be a lack of things to play. Sonywill never be able to match this service unless they put their games day one. Until then it's Xbox for me

All you can eat Chinese buffet for $5.99 the best deal in fine dining! There will never be a lack of things you can eat

 

[feynoob]

Is the gen even finished?

2 years is a little bit early here.

 

[ungalo]

Grounded is a killer game.

Second best game I played this year.

You proved my point, people don't consider these games and just want God of War type games from them.

Not gonna happen.

Grounded was in early access on Xbox One in 2020.

Either you're missing the point or you're pretending to.

The problem is that by pushing that logic that everything is equal you basically say that Microsoft don't need AAA games. First in a commercial sense they do, but outside of that, most people won't only play games like Grounded on console. People saying "you only care about AAA" when it's basically the complete opposite, i feel i've been playing indie games forever on Gamepass and i want something ambitious that can push the hardware (because who else than Microsoft can provide that for its own console ?)

 

[FunkMiller]

I bought a Ps5 for exclusives. I bought a Series X for GamePass.

 

[bluecowboys]

So?

https://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/year/all/filtered?view=detailed

Look at some highly rated games from this year. Half of them are shit in my opinion, but that’s beside the point. It’s one thing getting a high critic score, it’s another thing to become a phenomenon like BOTW/The Witcher 3/Skyrim/Elden Ring.

Facts don’t care about your opinions. Fact is the game sold well and I would be surprise sold better than elden ring.

 

[Umbasaborne]

Sony did to be fair to them, but lets not preted this year has been anyhting other than a ghost town game wise, and one of the worst years i can remember.

Yeah good point. I mean fuck, ubisoft only put out two new game this year, and its exclusive to the switch. The other is just dance. Thats pretty wild considering how stacked their output typically is

 

[MScarpa]

I should sell my Series X after reading this thread.

 

[bluecowboys]

People who don't have consoles can and do already play call of duty.

Casuals usually don’t buy gaming PCs, they buy consoles to play COD. However, MS can put the game on xcloud and let you play it and save 400-500 dollars.

 

[Topher]

Facts don’t care about your opinions. Fact is the game sold well and I would be surprise sold better than elden ring.

How many were sold?

 

[eastcoastkody]

ppl underestimate how absurd it is to release an actual GREAT game. That shit aint easy. And if Microsoft had bought Naughty Dog, Insomniac and Sucker Punch....this conversation would be completely different.

It also has to be that the good devs go with Sony...and Xbox is getting some of the scraps. They are working with what they have. If ur a great studio with an idea for the next big IP.....are u going with Sony or Microsoft? Likely Sony

 

[Banjo64]

Facts don’t care about your opinions. Fact is the game sold well and I would be surprise sold better than elden ring.

The fact is that Forza or Halo don’t have the same mind share as Zelda, TES, or even From Software. Sorry.

If you’re saying that Forza Horizon 5 sold more than the 16.6m copies that Elden Ring did (as of June), then it’s time to lay off the crack pipe.

 

[Cyborg]

No lies here. Lets see what 2023 will bring, potential is there.

 

[Punished Miku]

All you can eat Chinese buffet for $5.99 the best deal in fine dining! There will never be a lack of things you can eat

This is where everything is going. SQEX just told investors they can't continue business as usual. AAA is going to be more and more troublesome as time passes, and the recession deepens.

If I could get into a buffet that had the food equivalent of Wo Long and Plague Tale 2 and dozens of other games for $5.99, sign me up.

 

[bluecowboys]

Grounded was in early access on Xbox One in 2019.

Either you're missing the point or you're pretending to.

The problem is that by pushing that logic that everything is equal you basically say that Microsoft don't need AAA games. First in a commercial sense they do, but outside of that, most people won't only play games like Grounded on console. People saying "you only care about AAA" when it's basically the complete opposite, i feel i've been playing indie games forever on Gamepass and i want something ambitious that can push the hardware (because who else than Microsoft can provide that for its own console ?)

Most gamers play GAAS games. Look at what games dominate the charts most of the time. Even Jim Ryan sees this and why he is investing into GAAS.

Single player only games you can beat most of the time within a couple weeks playing casually. Unless it’s a huge RPG it doesn’t have the replay value as a GAAS.

 

[GHG]

Casuals usually don’t buy gaming PCs, they buy consoles to play COD. However, MS can put the game on xcloud and let you play it and save 400-500 dollars.

Not what I was talking about. Here:

Call of Duty Mobile has ‘topped 650 million downloads’ | VGC

Number of players last year almost matched total amount of console and PC users…

www.videogameschronicle.com

That's where all the people who don't have consoles and PC's are.

See my edit in my previous post for the rest.

 

[feynoob]

Facts don’t care about your opinions. Fact is the game sold well and I would be surprise sold better than elden ring.

Pipe down buddy.
Forza won't sell more than 8m-10m at most.

 

[DaGwaphics]

you’re missing the point. It’s not that Xbox doesn’t have exclusives. It’s that it doesn’t have a must have exclusive game. Nothing on Xbox right now is in the same league as God of War Ragnarok or Zelda BOTW.
People don’t care about anything you listed, they care about content and Xbox is lacking on it.

Different tastes. There are people that would much prefer Halo or FH5 over God of War, and for most these exclusives don't matter at all (even with the big sales these games are absolutely nothing in comparison to Fortnite or Warzone, etc.). You've created a situation where every players tastes and opinions have to match yours in order for the premise to make sense. For "some" users these Sony titles are very important and those users wouldn't choose an Xbox. Obviously the players that play primarily on PC or Console don't have these concerns (though some of the Sony games come over to PC after a delay). There just aren't that many differences between the total libraries available on these systems, though Sony would have an edge if you prefer Japanese games.

Console exclusives are a good bonus to have for selling consoles no doubt, but to act as if all the other content available doesn't matter is silly.

 

[Banjo64]

Casuals usually don’t buy gaming PCs, they buy consoles to play COD. However, MS can put the game on xcloud and let you play it and save 400-500 dollars.

Spoken like someone who’s never played an FPS game (or any competitive game for that matter) online. Either that or your KD is normally 0.3.

 

[feynoob]

I bought a Ps5 for exclusives. I bought a Series X for GamePass.

That is how it is for everyone.

Take away gamepass, and Xbox is just a boring console.

The only reason why I am on xbox ecosystem, is gamepass.

 

[Swift_Star]

Umm forza horizon 5 sold a shit ton and pretty sure halo infinite did as well. They both scored well too on metacritic and won GOTY awards.

So? No one is dying to buy an Xbox to play forza, just facts. But people are buying switches to play Pokémon Scarlet and Violet.
Forza is not in the same league as Pokémon. Not even close.

 

[adamsapple]

Basically: If we ignore all MS first party games, they have no killer exclusives

Basically.

Their first party output remains lackluster.

Regarding the AAA and AA games that you’re getting, well more power to you, but I’m an old school gamer. I prefer to own my games.

I’ll play this bad boy when I’m done with Ragnarok.

I already played that bad boy to 100% thanks to game pass, great game, would recommend.

 

[bluecowboys]

This is where everything is going. SQEX just told investors they can't continue business as usual. AAA is going to be more and more troublesome as time passes, and the recession deepens.

If I could get into a buffet that had the food equivalent of Wo Long and Plague Tale 2 and dozens of other games for $5.99, sign me up.

That is why I said earlier about games on game pass might as well be exclusive for many consumers.

Look at how Walmart is so successful despite having no exclusive products. People wallets are tight right now with high inflation and upcoming recession

 

[ungalo]

ppl underestimate how absurd it is to release an actual GREAT game. That shit aint easy. And if Microsoft had bought Naughty Dog, Insomniac and Sucker Punch....this conversation would be completely different.

It also has to be that the good devs go with Sony...and Xbox is getting some of the scraps. They are working with what they have. If ur a great studio with an idea for the next big IP.....are u going with Sony or Microsoft? Likely Sony

lol...fortunately for us this industry has way more value than just Naughty Dog, Insomniac and Sucker Punch, even on the western front. Otherwise it would be pretty shit...

Nobody ask Microsoft to copy what Sony is doing, to make the game who will win all the awards at the end of the year. The comparison with the beginning of Xbox One is relevant. People jerking off over the "variety" that Microsoft brings to the table nowadays is laughable, it was always like that and with even more games, better quality and better production value. Even when Microsoft failed it used to be interesting, it's just not anymore.

 

[feynoob]

Different tastes. There are people that would much prefer Halo or FH5 over God of War, and for most these exclusives don't matter at all (even with the big sales these games are absolutely nothing in comparison to Fortnite or Warzone, etc.).

Vice versa.
But that doesn't mean xbox can't bring out other franchises.
The weakness of xbox, is lack of franchises. They didn't bring any new franchise aside of sea of theives. That is a big problem.

 

[eastcoastkody]

The fact is that Forza or Halo don’t have the same mind share as Zelda, TES, or even From Software. Sorry.

If you’re saying that Forza Horizon 5 sold more than the 16.6m copies that Elden Ring did (as of June), then it’s time to lay off the crack pipe.

Halo is bigger than skyrim or dark souls. I think i've heard maybe 2 ppl in real life every mention a From Software game. Everyone knows what Halo is. There is a halo action figure sitting on the shelf of ur local walmart right now

 

[bluecowboys]

So? No one is dying to buy an Xbox to play forza, just facts. But people are buying switches to play Pokémon Scarlet and Violet.
Forza is not in the same league as Pokémon. Not even close.

Lol Forza horizon still sold a shit ton. In fact, I typed forza horizion in the google search bar and one of the search queries was asking if it was on PlayStation. Turns out people want the game.

 

[JackMcGunns]

They've been feeding you Halo and Forza since the 360 days, so no these are not "killer exclusives" otherwise I would have bought a Series X to play them.

Playing Devil’s advocate, but Sony has been on God of War since the PS2 days which goes back to before 360 days, yikes, imagine if that were a real reason to skip God of War Ragnarok… ummm, no.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

This is where everything is going. SQEX just told investors they can't continue business as usual. AAA is going to be more and more troublesome as time passes, and the recession deepens.

If I could get into a buffet that had the food equivalent of Wo Long and Plague Tale 2 and dozens of other games for $5.99, sign me up.

It’s not where everything is going

Mid tier AA getting squeezed, AAA getting bigger

Games that can’t compete at the AAA level will need help from sub services or just go extinct

 

[abacab driver]

Also, I don’t remember anyone making these articles for the PS4 when it launched. 2 years in and the big game for ps4 was blood borne.

I was going to say this.

Funny how we forget ps4 was called the indiestation until then.

It's also funny how gamepass day and dates don't count unless they don't score very well. Everyone wants Microsoft to "claim" them then (and even attribute the quality or lack thereof to Microsoft).

Starting next year, the new narrative will be: "These 1st party games are great and the future games look even better...but should Microsoft get credit for them? After all, they were all in development before Microsoft acquired these developers."
BOOK IT. That is the new narrative.

 

[adamsapple]

So? No one is dying to buy an Xbox to play forza, just facts. But people are buying switches to play Pokémon Scarlet and Violet.
Forza is not in the same league as Pokémon. Not even close.

Why are you trying to pass off an opinion as a hard fact so badly lol.

 

[Banjo64]

That is how it is for everyone.

Take away gamepass, and Xbox is just a boring console.

The only reason why I am on xbox ecosystem, is gamepass.

I have my Xbox for 2 reasons, and 2 reasons only.

Kidding, obvs.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

If you ignore Forza yea… not as abundant as they should be but there’s enough to play it doesn’t bother me. If they deliver on the RPGs they have on the docket I’ll be happy. It’s been so long since I played a new rpg I loved. Just hit on those.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Vice versa.
But that doesn't mean xbox can't bring out other franchises.
The weakness of xbox, is lack of franchises. They didn't bring any new franchise aside of sea of theives. That is a big problem.

A bunch of new IPs have already been announced. With a ton of unannounced things being worked on as well I'm sure. Starfield and Redfall are both new IPs.

 

[GHG]

Spoken like someone who’s never played an FPS game (or any competitive game for that matter) online. Either that or your KD is normally 0.3.

It would literally be the worst possible experience and they know it. I don't understand the need to pretend the reason for the acquisition is to allow people to play the game via xcloud, it's the biggest load of bullshit. The reason is to pump up gamepass and as a byproduct make their hardware a more attractive proposition.

Call of duty mobile already exists and its very popular.

Anyone who insists on parroting Microsoft's disingenuous statements to regulators instead of using their own brain is highly questionable.

 

[Banjo64]

Halo is bigger than skyrim or dark souls. I think i've heard maybe 2 ppl in real life every mention a From Software game. Everyone knows what Halo is. There is a halo action figure sitting on the shelf of ur local walmart right now

Maybe that’s exclusive to America.

My 15 YO looks at me like I’m talking about one of these whenever I bring up Halo.

It’s nothing but a relic to the youth of today. UK btw.

 

[pasterpl]

Vice versa.
But that doesn't mean xbox can't bring out other franchises.
The weakness of xbox, is lack of franchises. They didn't bring any new franchise aside of sea of theives. That is a big problem.

Sea of thieves, Grounded, as dusk falls, pentiment and we know already about avowed, redfall, starfield, everwild, contraband, Indiana Jones (I know these are not out yet) all new IPs

 

[ungalo]

Most gamers play GAAS games. Look at what games dominate the charts most of the time. Even Jim Ryan sees this and why he is investing into GAAS.

Single player only games you can beat most of the time within a couple weeks playing casually. Unless it’s a huge RPG it doesn’t have the replay value as a GAAS.

Sony know the value of their brand is based on the games they released these last years. They want to make more profit but they won't jeopardize the legacy they have by releasing only shitty GAAS either. They will even use the aura of their solo IPs to develop multiplayer games. They will walk on these 2 legs in the future.

Microsoft is just a mess. If they want to sell consoles so they can make royalties, sell services and GAAS, they need impactful games, not just games with a high profit potential.

And that's just the commercial side of it. Whatever can be their reasons, if they won't release solo games anymore, i will sell my Xbox and buy a Playstation, that's all i'm saying.

 

[feynoob]

A bunch of new IPs have already been announced. With a ton of unannounced things being worked on as well I'm sure. Starfield and Redfall are both new IPs.

They needed those during xbox one. It would have elevated xbox more, compared to its miserable state right now.

Imagine if they made those new ips during that time, and made sequel for the next gen console. At least they would have had something these 2 years.

Forza/halo/gears is what is hurting their image.

Sony sent some of their good ips to the grave.

 

[feynoob]

Sea of thieves, Grounded, as dusk falls, pentiment and we know already about avowed, redfall, starfield, everwild, contraband, Indiana Jones (I know these are not out yet) all new IPs

Only sea of theives was during xbox one. And grounded as beta.
The rest were this gen, or isnt released yet.

 

[Jimmyisback]

That is why I said earlier about games on game pass might as well be exclusive for many consumers.

Look at how Walmart is so successful despite having no exclusive products. People wallets are tight right now with high inflation and upcoming recession

Yeah I agree. Whenever a game launches on game pass whether it's indie or triple a third party there seems to be so much excitement when it launches on game pass. The enthusiasm is muted on the PlayStation side of things. I understand though. Paying 70 dollars when the competition can play it for cheap can put a damper on things.

 

[Punished Miku]

It’s not where everything is going

Mid tier AA getting squeezed, AAA getting bigger

Games that can’t compete at the AAA level will need help from sub services or just go extinct

Fewer and fewer companies will be able to justify the risk of AAA games, as has been the trend for a while now. But I agree that sub services are a great lifeline for AA games, which is really the main reason I jumped on board with it.

 

[bluecowboys]

Spoken like someone who’s never played an FPS game (or any competitive game for that matter) online. Either that or your KD is normally 0.3.

Casuals play COD games casually. Even with the slight lag they won’t care as they are saving hundred of dollars. Cloud gaming is defiantly not this huge lagging experience as some people make it out to be here. Just look at some of the tech reviewers like Linus on YouTube for non bias review.

 

[bxrz]

Good. More articles like this. Call these pretenders out.

You’ve been in the business for 20 years and still don’t have a stable list of first party exclusives?

Do better or get the fuck out of the console business.

And all this praise for Phil Spendser needs to stop. The guys gaming portfolio is abysmal. What games has he delivered? All he ever mentions is Starfield and Gamepass.

Newsflash, your subscription service is useless without games I want to subscribe for.

92 metacritic Forza Horizon 5?

 

[solidus12]

Basically.





I already played that bad boy to 100% thanks to game pass, great game, would recommend.

Great, that's why I like to own my games.

 

[DaGwaphics]

They needed those during xbox one. It would have elevated xbox more, compared to its miserable state right now.

LOL, Quickest selling console generation they've ever had and the best brand image they've had since the early days of 360 = a "miserable state". The reality simply doesn't match your idea.

As long as Forza/Halo/Gears have a player base that supports them, they will stick around.