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[StreetsofBeige]

I wonder how long until the Gamepass fee goes up. I still have GP through 2024.

I'm subbed to 2025 at the one month renewal price. And before that it was 3 years at $1. To me the price of GP is a non-issue. It's whether or not they get rid of the renewal promo, and what price the service is per month.

 

[sinnergy]

True, but not every game is worth $70 and should be $70 imo. I remember literally everyone was ripping Sony apart for charging $70 for first party games so I’m just wondering if that same energy will be applied to Microsoft.

No, world changed , war etc , MS is late , Sony was as fast as a money grabber could be !

 

[Zok310]

That is the biggest self own, if I ever see one.

Yup, a lot of shit from that camp is not gonna age well.

 

[Super_Chicken]

I love everyone suggesting to just sub to gamepass...
"You will own nothing. You will eat bugs and enjoy them." comes to mind.

Can't wait for what the future has in store. This applies beyond games and really society as a whole is just in a downward spiral with the same mentality.

Eventually games keep increasing in price. Less and less people want to spend $100-200 on a game. Developers don't release as much AAA titles because can't really recoup costs unless they DLC the hell out of it. "New"-year old titles make their way to gamepass as they usually do. Content of gamepass begins to deteriorate.

 

[intheinbetween]

The deal go through?

It seems it will

 

[sinnergy]

I love everyone suggesting to just sub to gamepass...
"You will own nothing. You will eat bugs and enjoy them."

Can't wait for what the future has in store.

Eventually no one buys $100 games. Developers don't release as much. "New" few year old titles make their way to gamepass. Content of gamepass begins to deteriorate.

Right .. no one listens music on Spotify, or watches movie on Netflix, Amazon or HBO MAX welcome to now. Gamepass is the future .

 

[FBeeEye]

I wonder how long until the Gamepass fee goes up. I still have GP through 2024.

It will happen. All streaming services have done it so I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[AJUMP23]

Gotta pay for Activision some how.

 

[crunchyBiscuits]

Phil raised the price because he didn't want to be seen as anticompetitive by having his games priced lower.

Real talk though... Figured this would happen eventually. Does it suck? Yes, for people who like to own their games. Gamepass price increase feels inevitable at this point. Hope all of y'all with go subs are maxed out already

 

[bentanchorbolt]

I love everyone suggesting to just sub to gamepass...
"You will own nothing. You will eat bugs and enjoy them." comes to mind.

Can't wait for what the future has in store. This applies beyond games and really society as a whole is just in a downward spiral with the same mentality.

Eventually games keep increasing in price. Less and less people want to spend $100-200 on a game. Developers don't release as much AAA titles because can't really recoup costs unless they DLC the hell out of it. "New"-year old titles make their way to gamepass as they usually do. Content of gamepass begins to deteriorate.

Slippery slope fallacy.

I don't need to *own* games in most cases. I don't need a collection of physical media to feel good about playing games. It's very likely that I will play a game once and never again, unless its a tentpole type game, in which case I will buy.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

All streaming services save for maybe Netflix are priced low to build subscriber base. They are heavily subsidized and make hardly any money at all. The long game is to be the next Netflix where you have so many built-in shows that are only on your service that people have to stay subbed, because it's basically a utility. So the model is that you keep people on and then raise your price slowly over time.

Operating expenses are why they're losing money, and they're going to have to cut back on that if they want to make any profit. Not just price increases

 

[Warablo]

Thank you Sony and Take 2 for starting a trend.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Right .. no one listens music on Spotify, or watches movie on Netflix, Amazon or HBO MAX welcome to now. Gamepass is the future .

Are we still pretending that movies and games are the same? I guess so.

 

[Del_X]

Game pass probably going to $17.99 for ultimate or $12.99 on PC soon. Then $19.99 and $14.99 in another year or so then probably no hikes until 2028.

 

[MisterXDTV]

I love everyone suggesting to just sub to gamepass...
"You will own nothing. You will eat bugs and enjoy them." comes to mind.

Can't wait for what the future has in store. This applies beyond games and really society as a whole is just in a downward spiral with the same mentality.

Eventually games keep increasing in price. Less and less people want to spend $100-200 on a game. Developers don't release as much AAA titles because can't really recoup costs unless they DLC the hell out of it. "New"-year old titles make their way to gamepass as they usually do. Content of gamepass begins to deteriorate.

But people will keep telling us that Game Pass is good for the industry and IS VERY profitable...

Reality = a disaster waiting to happen

You can buy 3 years of Game Pass Ultimate for the price of TWO GAMES

 

[Vick]

Makes sense, their GP just got more appealing.

 

[elliot5]

Duh. It was going to happen eventually. $70 sucks but it doesn’t impact me as someone subbed to GP for years to come still.

I think people are more upset about $70 games when crossgen games have an artificial extra $10 slapped on top like EA, 2K, Activision, Sony, Ubisoft games have done.

Microsoft keeping $60 and smart delivery was a nice, consumer friendly move. Going fully nextgen on titles starting in 2023 makes the $70 price tag clear. If Motorsport was cross gen id be annoyed if it was $70 for example. A game like MSFS being $60 made sense bc it was a late port. But there havent been any exclusive X/S games since launch otherwise.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I think people are more upset about $70 games when crossgen games have an artificial extra $10 slapped on top like EA, 2K, Activision, Sony, Ubisoft games have done.

Lol no

People are upset about the $70 price, period.

 

[sainraja]

That's quite the change from

Ah, alright, Sure, sure. You got me. You can still address the actual point I was making in my post though.

 

[Loxus]

Right .. no one listens music on Spotify, or watches movie on Netflix, Amazon or HBO MAX welcome to now. Gamepass is the future .

Do those things take $100 million+ to make?
Aren't big movies first released through movie theaters before streaming services?

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

But Phil is our buddy, how is it possible ?

Oh, I know, you must subscribe to gamepass to avoid this. Got it Phil.

*pay everything, own nothing baby*

 

[Pop]

Makes sense, their GP just got more appealing.

Oh yea...

Then why not just price Xbox games at $100. GP would be totally appealing then

 

[FBeeEye]

I love everyone suggesting to just sub to gamepass...
"You will own nothing. You will eat bugs and enjoy them." comes to mind.

Can't wait for what the future has in store. This applies beyond games and really society as a whole is just in a downward spiral with the same mentality.

Eventually games keep increasing in price. Less and less people want to spend $100-200 on a game. Developers don't release as much AAA titles because can't really recoup costs unless they DLC the hell out of it. "New"-year old titles make their way to gamepass as they usually do. Content of gamepass begins to deteriorate.

What if we don't want to own? I rent and I lease a vehicle. I buy games I want once they reach the bargain bin. I also spend a good amount on DLC for GamePass and FTP games.

Buying a game for full price feels like too much of a commitment.

 

[GHG]

Wait, you people buy Xbox games?

Spoiler

too lazy to check if this joke was posted already

People have already said it, and not as a joke.

 

[Klosshufvud]

Did Sony/EA/Activision ?

No and it was just as shitty when they did it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

People have already said it, and not as a joke.

 

[MisterXDTV]

People have already said it, and not as a joke.

Why should it be a joke?

We all know that people who have Game Pass won't buy first party games....

I mean it's the very reason why they subbed in the first place!!!

 

[Dick Jones]

I knew they were going 70 but I'm only shocked at the stupidity of having this news out before Christmas. Aaron Greenberg, great job at controlling the narrative pal

Thankfully this didn't affect anyone here as they are all on the $1 upgrade and won't need to buy games. I'm sure Uncle Phil won't close that loophole in 3 years.

 

[Hendrick's]

I still think that the AB acquisition is the main driver here. No way concessions won't include not selling AB games for less on Xbox vs. other platforms.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Why should it be a joke?

We all know that people who have Game Pass won't buy first party games....

I mean it's the very reason why they subbed in the first place!!!

I bought the premium version of the last Forza and will buy the next Forza as well and subbed to game pass.

 

[Barakov]

See you at the price drop, Starfield.

 

[Germuso]

But Phil said...lol.

 

[DForce]

I specifically asked for when last any subscription service reduced quality in response to stagnating growth. My post hasn't been edited.
You cited Disney Plus, a service that is NOT stagnating. Where's the goalpost being moved here?

And I mentioned Disney plus

FYI. Disney+ was stagnant and they brought in Hulu and ESPN+ to increase the subscriber account. Throughout this time, they increased the price point and removed day one releases from the service. You tried to blame the pandemic altogether without realizing that they waited to release some movies on their service near the same time HBO released big movies such as the suicide Squad day one on their service.

 

[twilo99]

I guess now that everyone has made it standard this was imminent.

WHO STARTED IT???

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Notice...

They didn't say they were raising prices for hardware.

 

[Mr Moose]

No, world changed , war etc , MS is late , Sony was as fast as a money grabber could be !

"I don't care now that MS is doing it" Congrats.

 

[Topher]

Lol no

People are upset about the $70 price, period.

I've pulled together all the people who said Ratchet and Clank's $70 price tag was ok because it wasn't cross gen.

 

[Griffon]

As expected, pushing people toward the rent model.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Right .. no one listens music on Spotify, or watches movie on Netflix, Amazon or HBO MAX welcome to now. Gamepass is the future .

LOL I don't use any of these services.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[sainraja]

For the record, and I do believe this applies to all of us no matter which point we are arguing. We all would rather pay $60 or hell, $50 like we use to pay, instead of $70.

 

[jm89]

Notice...

They didn't say they were raising prices for hardware.

Yet....

 

[sinnergy]

LOL I don't use any of these services.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Personal opinions won’t get you far. Subscriptions is where to world is going . Even new cars have subscriptions for features. It’s a money making business.

 

[LordCBH]

Are MS confirming that we will only get Forza Motorsport, Redfall, and Starfield first party in 2023 with this?

No? Those are just the ones they’ve publicly attached a 2023 date on

 

[adamsapple]

I've pulled together all the people who said Ratchet and Clank's $70 price tag was ok because it wasn't cross gen.

There's at least 88 of these crazies

Catch 'em kill 'em.

 

[Yoboman]

Raise prices at the start of the gen:

Don't release games for years then raise prices:

 

[Hawking Radiation]

So we're getting nickel and dimed by both PS and Xbox.

Now can't we all get along as fellow gamers since we're getting fucked from all sides?

#SayNoToConsoleWars

 

[Klayzer]

"I don't care now that MS is doing it" Congrats.

Pretty much a nothing burger, now that Microsoft does it. -Xbox fans on Gaf.

 

[Topher]

There's at least 88 of these crazies

Catch 'em kill 'em.

Ah man.....if there was ever a poll that I wished showed how people voted.....it is that one.

 

[OuterLimits]

It was bound to come. MS is probably the last big company to do it.

And it comes down to gamers accepting it. Once general consensus agrees to it, floodgates open and everyone copies.

Absolutely no different than the big change from discs to digital over the years (which for most people even includes needing to buy an external HDD for more storage). A big uproar at the beginning, but now accepted.

Same goes for patches. Console game patching used to be zero. Then during 360/PS3 era it was modest with few patches and they were small in size. Now, it seems console patches are as common and big than a PC patch. Again, gamers accept it so they'll keep doing it even after all the past laughs console gamers used to do to PC gamers how they got patches and consoles need zero.

There's been chat about this kind of stuff in different threads over time. And many of us said the same thing..... if game makers do it long enough, gamers eventually cave in and accept. As long as the game makers hold firm pushing it, gamers always bend.

Nintendo will be the last big company to do it. Probably when their next system launches.

 

[GHG]

Why should it be a joke?

We all know that people who have Game Pass won't buy first party games....

I mean it's the very reason why they subbed in the first place!!!

Because some people literally want to purchase what they want and be done with it. If the stance on that is "why would they when gamepass exists" then what you're inadvertently saying is that the games aren't worth purchasing (in some cases this clearly isn't true). Not everyone wants to be infinitely beholden to some subscription service in order to have access to their favourite games.

Personal opinions won’t get you far. Subscriptions is where to world is going . Even new cars have subscriptions for features. It’s a money making business.

Good lord.