Tal Shiar Agent
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Plus TLOU is horror, it'll always have a smaller audience. I'm a huge PlayStation fan and I don't like TLOU, didn't buy either of them (did try Part 1 Remaster because it was on Plus, wasn't for me).
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God Of War Ragnarok Officially sells through 11 Million copies
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ToTTenTranz
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God of War is more popular now, after Ragnarok, because Ragnarok was spectacular to most audiences.
I don't think TLoU2 was any less popular than God of War when it released in 2020. TLoU1 sold 17 million copies up until 2020, where GoW sold 19.5.
Santa Monica simply made a game that was better received.
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3liteDragon
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’d & platinumed, insane it did that much in almost 3 months time. I can see 25-30M lifetime.
Bonfires Down
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James Sawyer Ford
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I think Dev is at least 150M, and marketing is close to double dev cost
Pelta88
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Not even close. And that's before you factor in the expensive special editions.
Ulysses 31
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And that new Pokemon game 3 days...
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Werewolf Jones
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I wish the game was better to justify the sales.
It has a lot of narrative lows and any hype built up is literally squashed or hurried along to race to the finish.
It has a lot of narrative lows and any hype built up is literally squashed or hurried along to race to the finish.
DeaDPo0L84
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You don't have to like every first party game put out by Playstation. But be thankful they still see the value in big budget AAA single player games and don't force everything to have seasons or a battlepass.
Topher
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That's fine, but this narrative that some are pushing that 10 million isn't good is just absurd. Pretty sure ND is quite happy with that.
James Sawyer Ford
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What do you mean not even close?
11M x $50 per sale is just a rough ballpark that’s probably conservative
Pelta88
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You're not factoring in
. Higher Digital share of at least 70%
. Millions of higher Priced Special edition
. Higher price points in the EU and around the world
Coulomb_Barrier
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Can Spiderman 2 do 12-15m in 3 months to beat this.
3liteDragon
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Lulu writing up another Twitter thread for the FTC as we speak…
James Sawyer Ford
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I wanted to set a conservative estimate. It could be over 600M, but without knowing the exact retail split you’ll never be exact
ToTTenTranz
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It depends on what "quite happy" means to Sony and Naughty Dog.
10 million is a spectacular achievement that surely means the project turned a profit.
However, TLoU1 had sold 17 million copies after 5 years whereas TLoU2 sold 10 million after 3. It does look like TLoU2 will end up selling less copies than TLoU1 despite launching in a more favorable market (85 million PS3 users + PS4 remaster vesrus 110 million PS4 users + PS5 BC).
If Sony and Naughty Dog planned for lower sales of the sequel then they're quite happy. If they planned for higher sales then they're probably not as happy as they'd like to be.
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Coulomb_Barrier
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Calm down will ya, I think the total budget wouldn't surpass $150m. What titles had a budget of $400m? That sounds ludicrous.
gow3isben
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Wow beat Last of Us 2 total sales in less than 3 months.
And because it is simply a better and more well received game its legs will be far better too
30 mill on console and 35 with PC included book it. As PS5 sales skyrocket this year so will this game it will be over 20 by years end believe it
And because it is simply a better and more well received game its legs will be far better too
30 mill on console and 35 with PC included book it. As PS5 sales skyrocket this year so will this game it will be over 20 by years end believe it
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Spitfire098
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Fail!!!! They should have put their game on a subscription service day1. Look at Halo Infinite, 20 million players in launch window. And look at Halo Infinite now... wait actually nvm.
EDMIX
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Why would it? They broke their own records with that game and it came out on 1 system not 2...
I was just going to say that. Horror titles, anything past 10 million is beyond the norm and in a rare club, as in...the entire Dead Space IP combined hasn't even sold near 1 Last Of Us game.
The last of us, Resident Evil, Dying light........yea, thats about it lol
SlimySnake
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That was true when dev cost were low around $20-40 million. you really dont need to spend Avatar's marketing budget to market games. Games have a very niche market still.
They want us to think game dev costs are insanely high nowadays but first party games dont cost that much. In the PS3 era, ND made Uncharted games and TLOU for $20 million each. Lets assume the costs have doubled since. Thats $40 million. Lets assume they have tripled or quadrupled. you are still at $80 million.
GOW3 cost $44 million in 2010. Double it and you are around $90 million. $150 million to make a game in 200-300 person studio is just way too much.
Horzon cost $47 million euros in 2017. And that game was in development for six years. I can promise you that despite the 5 year dev cycle and more devs on the project, it is not even close to costing $100 million. With marketing sure.
DForce
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The Last of Us was bundled for years, and there's no doubt that without the God of war bundles, it would still be under 10 million. To show you how much of a factor the bundled played a part in The Last of Us sales, The Last of Us Part II surpassed The PS4 remaster version in less than 3 weeks on the NPD chats, and the game sold over 12 million copies on that platform.
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Amazing. Now use those profits to make a proper next gen God of War. I dont ever want to see Santa Monica deliver subpar graphics ever again. Unacceptable.
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Bragr
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Big games are well over 100 million these days. Big exclusives like Ragnarok have huge budgets. Callisto Protocol was 160, and Ragnarok is likely considerably higher than that considering how long it was in development.
Ragnarok also had a huge marketing push, Sony put tons of money into it.
The development and marketing budgets of Ragnarok were likely massive. Maybe not 400, but I would not be shocked at 250-300-ish.
ChorizoPicozo
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see. TLoUP2 definitely underperformed.
I remember stating TLoUP2 should have been around 15M.
Ragnarok is performing as you should expect from the sequel of a game that is considered one of the best games of the generation. (just lke TLoUP1)
I remember stating TLoUP2 should have been around 15M.
Ragnarok is performing as you should expect from the sequel of a game that is considered one of the best games of the generation. (just lke TLoUP1)
The artful mincer
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That 70% is for 3rd party sales. The digital share is for this is likely 90% plus
The artful mincer
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Yeah I think your being very Conservative with 500 million had this even had a price cut yet?
Aenima
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Not a chance, a wise man once told Spider-Man is niche.
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ChainedDreamer
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wow crazy!
God of War 2018 sold 10 million in more than a year!
God of War 2018 sold 10 million in more than a year!
James Sawyer Ford
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TLOU p2 was too linear with the same formula and had no MP
GowR is a more massive game, and I’d say more appealing in general
ToTTenTranz
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TLoU2 surpassed many things in preorders and release-day purchases, i.e. purchases made out of goodwill and faith that the 1st game generated.
But most of all, let's not pretend this isn't a thing:
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Some other sales figures to show just how impressive this is:
1. Demon Souls - 1.3 million in 10 months.
2. Returnal - 500k in 3 months.
3. Ratchet - 1 million in 1 months
4. TLOU2 - 4 million in 3 days
5. TLOU2 - 10 million in 2 years.
6. GOWR - 5 million in 7 days.
7. GOWR - 11 million in 2 months.
8. Ghost of Tsushima - 2.4 million in 3 days.
9. Ghost of Tsushima - 9.73 million in 2 years.
10. Horizon FW - ??
11. GT7 - ??
12. TLOU Remake - ??
TLOU2 was clearly far more divisive and likely cost itself sales. It also hit bargin bin prices far sooner than other games on this list. It sucks because i like that Neil tried to do something different with the game and I hate to ask him to appeal to the masses but he might have gone too far in some places.gif.
No idea why Sony wont announce HFW, GT7 and TLOU sales. HFW and GT7 hit the NPD top 12, and TLOU charted at number 2 in the first month. Should we way better than DS, REturnal and Ratchet. HFW was even bundled and should be over 5 million easily.
P.S Hope Phil sees this and realizes that Sony got nearly $770 million in revenue from just one game in 2 months. Even if we assume that sales split was 90:10, you are still looking at $700 million in revenue. Putting Starfield on Gamepass is going to cut into that initial revenue by hundreds of millions.
1. Demon Souls - 1.3 million in 10 months.
2. Returnal - 500k in 3 months.
3. Ratchet - 1 million in 1 months
4. TLOU2 - 4 million in 3 days
5. TLOU2 - 10 million in 2 years.
6. GOWR - 5 million in 7 days.
7. GOWR - 11 million in 2 months.
8. Ghost of Tsushima - 2.4 million in 3 days.
9. Ghost of Tsushima - 9.73 million in 2 years.
10. Horizon FW - ??
11. GT7 - ??
12. TLOU Remake - ??
TLOU2 was clearly far more divisive and likely cost itself sales. It also hit bargin bin prices far sooner than other games on this list. It sucks because i like that Neil tried to do something different with the game and I hate to ask him to appeal to the masses but he might have gone too far in some places.gif.
No idea why Sony wont announce HFW, GT7 and TLOU sales. HFW and GT7 hit the NPD top 12, and TLOU charted at number 2 in the first month. Should we way better than DS, REturnal and Ratchet. HFW was even bundled and should be over 5 million easily.
P.S Hope Phil sees this and realizes that Sony got nearly $770 million in revenue from just one game in 2 months. Even if we assume that sales split was 90:10, you are still looking at $700 million in revenue. Putting Starfield on Gamepass is going to cut into that initial revenue by hundreds of millions.
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EDMIX
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yea, that math not mathing lol
3 years?
So....it has not been 3 years sir, Last Of Us 2 sold that in 2 years... That is before a PC release, before a PS5 remaster and the game is still selling.
This is a God Of War thread and I'm going to just start reporting the post going off topic.
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ChorizoPicozo
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DForce
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Posting Metacritic scores isn't going to help your argument. This is nothing more than a desperate attempt lolTLoU2 surpassed many things in preorders and release-day purchases, i.e. purchases made out of goodwill and faith that the 1st game generated.
But most of all, let's not pretend this isn't a thing:
It was review bombed by less than 200k people, mostly from people who didn't play the game or even refused to buy it. This is why the review scores are higher on PSN and sites like Amazon.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Let's not pretend it wasn't review bombed by chuds though.TLoU2 surpassed many things in preorders and release-day purchases, i.e. purchases made out of goodwill and faith that the 1st game generated.
But most of all, let's not pretend this isn't a thing:
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