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The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom – Mr. Aonuma Gameplay Demonstration
Feel Like I'm On 42
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They've had ample time to show us why this is worthy of being $70 and worthy of being the sequel to BotW. They've heard the feedback and people's concern about this being a glorified "Botw 1.5". Just last week Doug Bowser felt the need to run some weak PR regarding the price.
Yesterday's demo was their answer to the doubters and for many of us it came up woefully short. Nintendo is not immune from disappointing releases. Obvs, it's more Botw so at worst it will still be "fun" to play and be better than most games but that's not the point.
Is this as good in '23 as Botw was in 2017? Did they put in enough effort to justify a $10 increase? Did they do enough to make up for the fact that they're reusing the map? Is this in line with the effort and quality of previous Zeldas? I'd argue that from what we've seen the answer is clearly a resounding NO. That doesn't mean they won't show more that can flip the script and wow us all but they've failed to do that so far.
No clear improvement or polish to the visuals- just something small to indicate a step up from the 6 year old prequel was needed and they did nothing. I'm talking small like cleaning up the shadow quality or improving textures here and there ..nope
We do have new abilities and some new enemies types but aside from that what is improved? Combat needed improvement. ..it looks just as basic as Botw.
We have some small changes to the map and sky islands which is welcomed but which is overall a net negative compared to Botw's completely new map.
They have a lot to prove still.
daveonezero
Banned
I honestly don’t think this was a response to critics.
Odd are Gafvwill be eating crow on this as the game comes out and content is shown.
Get ready for 5 more years of new things found in TotK
Odd are Gafvwill be eating crow on this as the game comes out and content is shown.
Get ready for 5 more years of new things found in TotK
I'm curious when people say it's the "exact same map". We already know there's an extensive network of islands in the sky that absolutely were not in BOTW. In fact, based on some videos it seems like it's actually a separate map up there.
So let's just talk about the ground level map...people saying it's the same:
a) How do you even know this? They've shown practically nothing of the map.
b) What do you mean when you say same map? Do you mean it's the same shape? Or that literally everything about it is the same? Even if it is the same shape and basically everything is different (aside from a couple persisting landmarks) - who even cares at that point?
Lol you guys give yourself too much credit. Do you think Nintendo feels the need to prove themselves to some nerds on a niche forum who are over analyzing a marketing cycle?
People were saying the exact same shit before BOTW came out "looks empty" "haven't shown enough" etc. What happened? It sold like 30 million units and is one of the highest rated games ever? Basically consensus GOTY and a system seller? They could release TOTK without any marketing whatsoever and they'll be doing just fine.
The embargo will lift a few days before it releases, footage will drop, 95 metas will start rolling in, and all the mouthbreathers yelling about cancelling their preorders (who the fuck preorders a game in 2023 btw) will be in line an hour before Gamestop opens hoping they can still get an Amiibo.
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THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
LOL, no choice, as a Zelda addict there is no decision. Just compliance.
No doubt they have squeezed every ounce of power out of the X1.
Lethal01
Member
What kind of changes would you expect?
All I expect is new areas, and we are getting that.
Mozza
Member
I have a Series X and of course the visuals are amazing, that being said I rarely play my Switch and think it's awful, as I love Nintendo's games and their art style.
Mozza
Member
Totally agree with you, but you comment only confirms lots of people are moaning without being in possession of all the facts, lets wait and see.
Mozza
Member
Most games are repackaged with a shiny new coat of paint for each generation, and of course if you are obsessed with graphics and framerates that's fine, but to somehow suggest Breath of the wild is not one of the best games of all time, simply because you do not see it yourself is insane. Just look at it's sales and reviews... of course you are free to suggest the reviewers are all blind Nintendo fan boys, as are the people that bought the game... blah blah blah..
Legend Of Zelda Breath Of The Wild
96 Open Critic
97 Metacritic
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I eagerly look forward to the whole....
Before Launch: lol game sux what a joke
After Launch: I always supported you
Lethal01
Member
https://www.videogameschronicle.com...ears-of-the-kingdom-screens-showing-gameplay/
Better screenshots here
this is absolutely the last thing I want, not just from Nintendo but any game developer, fuck the graphics if it's getting in the way of vision.
It's the opposite for me, was never a big Zelda fan, I specifically loved BoTW. It succeeded at everything that I personally loved about open worlds and nothing before or after it has came close. I can't interact with the world of Elden ring at all.
but also
yeah Wii U fucking killed it out there thanks to all those nintendo fans.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Nintendo make toys. Nintendo want to make their games fun to PLAY. The gimmicks is the core of the game.
If you think you are too old for toys, I understand.
But keep in mind once you are too old to feel the need to be mature, most actual adults return to playing toy games like Nintendo offerings. Because at some point you don't care about being mature anymore.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
When you are young you want to prove to others you are "mature" but once you reach certain age thats no longer matters.
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THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Imagine a next gen Nintendo console at 15tf-20tf launching next fall with a zelda game and mario. We are begging you Nintendo, ditch the single skew portable and do both......then the portable version can look whatever it wants to......
Imtjnotu
Member
Not that it matters to you (if other people care or don't care about graphics) was my actual response. But oh well, sucks you feel that way. Rather than making melodrama about graphics and teraflops, I will have fun playing this. Others can cry about the graphics of a Switch game all day if they prefer.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
I guess that's what seperates the adults from the children, I can constructively criticize something and still enjoy it plenty. Lol, the melodrama is you overreacting to any criticism.
I mean your original post was not exactly constructive or 'adult' ish. Not sure where you see me overreacting. Do continue "constructively" whining about graphics and teraflops if you want.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
In my latest post I was actively hoping for a more powerfull Nintendo system as it would be a dream to have teams that talented have a more broad set of tools and not be limited, but ok, take it as all negative if you want.
It's nice to want things I guess.
Robb
Gold Member
Yeah people are assuming a lot, but on the other hand Nintendo has only shown (likely intentionally) sections that look nearly identical.
We already know from the artwork that death mountain is spewing malice, that there’s a huge tornado wreaking havoc where the bird folks live, cave systems have been added etc. etc.
I look forward to seeing a new take on those familiar locations.
Potential spoilers at the link
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1st off from the start I always thought Elden ring looked like trash, esp on last gen hardware which it launched on.
lets not pretend that the game was a graphics powerhouse, with muddy textures itself, and poor art design in many places.
but hats my opinion. here is an example
I prefer BOTWs art style and even the textures to Elden rings ugly mess. And don't get me wrong I love Elden ring, its just not a graphics powerhouse, and its not aesthetically pleasing to me. Here are other things BOTW does that Elden ring doesn't.
1. Thunder and lightening system in BOTW Your character can be affected by lightening
2. Wind system in BOTW, (There is actually a real weather system with clouds)
3. Hot and cold elements, you character needs to wear the proper gear in the cold and heat. ( like real life)
4. weather effects actually changing gameplay dynamically. IE. you cant climb while its wet, Your camp fire effects ice
5. Climbing and Not being able to climb when wet
6. A more advanced physics engine than Elden ring
7. The world itself actually being flammable. IE if you cause an explosion, or intentionally set fire to dry brush it will ignite
8. All of these systems working to effect both the player and the environment dynamically
And I could go on an on.
Elden ring also has a weather system that mildly effects spells
https://www.svg.com/789964/the-elden-ring-weather-is-more-important-than-you-realized/#:~:text=Elden Ring's weather system actually impacts spells&text=At any point during your,gameplay, if any at all.
But the problem with Elden rings system is that your character itself is unaffected by the weather conditions.
The spells are affected yes, but getting wet has very little affect on gameplay.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that BOTW in many ways is more advanced than Elden ring. Let me explain.
1st off from the start I always thought Elden ring looked like trash, esp on last gen hardware which it launched on.
lets not pretend that the game was a graphics powerhouse, with muddy textures itself, and poor art design in many places.
but hats my opinion. here is an example
I prefer BOTWs art style and even the textures to Elden rings ugly mess. And don't get me wrong I love Elden ring, its just not a graphics powerhouse, and its not aesthetically pleasing to me. Here are other things BOTW does that Elden ring doesn't.
1. Thunder and lightening system in BOTW Your character can be affected by lightening
2. Wind system in BOTW, (There is actually a real weather system with clouds)
3. Hot and cold elements, you character needs to wear the proper gear in the cold and heat. ( like real life)
4. weather effects actually changing gameplay dynamically. IE. you cant climb while its wet, Your camp fire effects ice
5. Climbing and Not being able to climb when wet
6. A more advanced physics engine than Elden ring
7. The world itself actually being flammable. IE if you cause an explosion, or intentionally set fire to dry brush it will ignite
8. All of these systems working to effect both the player and the environment dynamically
And I could go on an on.
Elden ring also has a weather system that mildly effects spells
https://www.svg.com/789964/the-elden-ring-weather-is-more-important-than-you-realized/#:~:text=Elden Ring's weather system actually impacts spells&text=At any point during your,gameplay, if any at all.
But the problem with Elden rings system is that your character itself is unaffected by the weather conditions.
The spells are affected yes, but getting wet has very little affect on gameplay.
bender
What time is it?
Looks like the sandbox is going to be even crazier this time around. The only thing I didn't like was the Ascend ability. I'm probably outside the norm, but in BOTW I did every shrine and scaled every high point in the game prior to taking on the Divine Beasts. Each earned chunk of stamina let me explore more and more and that loop was super satisfying. When I did finally get Revali's Gale, I was glad I did so after all the exploration as it what have cheapened the experience and getting to the peaks of some of those mountains would have felt like far less of an accomplishment. The Ascend ability seems way "worse" in that regard. And yeah I get that you need those types of abilities as most people aren't going to do every Shrine, but Tears of the Kingdom does seem to have a pretty great alternative to that in the vehicle crafting.
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The real question is if you will be able to do underwater exploration. There are hints already, of link in a swimming animation. Can you build underwater vehicles? can I swim underwater? will we get a modern water temple? The possibilities are endless.
Tarnpanzer
Member
...on an emulator in 4k/60 with enhanced draw distance and stuff, I agree.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Maybe they have been simultaneously working on this glorified DLC and the next proper Zelda which will launch early in the life of the Switch 2, and that's why this has taken so long even though it looks like it could have been done in like two years.
Emedan
Member
I'm sure it does, but it also looks good docked on a normal Switch
RoadHazard
Gold Member
The islands look like they have MAYBE 10% of the area of the surface in total. The islands are small, and it's not like they fill the sky.
As for the surface, we've seen that yes, the map is the same. Same layout, same towns, etc. Of course with new stuff on top, but overall the same.
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The entire Hyrule castle is in the sky! that's the entire middle of the map! How can you make this assessment?
There is alot up there
Mozza
Member
Never happening on a handheld device, the Series X is only 12tf, and the nearest comparable device the Steam deck is 1.6tf.
My guess is the Switch 2 will be around 3.5tf in handheld and 4.5tf docked, which is still pretty impressive for a handheld device, as cooling and battery life are a major factor on this, no point in unrealistic speculation.
Mozza
Member
You speculation is totally devoid of any facts or information, so by the same token I believe the Sky Islands add another 40% of surface area, there is now a massive underground area to explore, there are also many dungeons as well. I have based this on a 12 minute gameplay video, and two trailers.
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You speculation is totally devoid of any facts or information, so by the same token I believe the Sky Islands add another 40% of surface area, there is now a massive underground area to explore, there are also many dungeons as well. I have based this on a 12 minute gameplay video, and two trailers.
That's like saying his @** must add 200% surface area to his body. because that's where he gets his speculation from!!
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
No in that speculation I am hoping for a two pronged attack from Nintendo, a traditional home console and a portable switch hybrid.
If they went with similar architecture in both (amd or nvidia in both), it would scale down easily. (Unlike other generations where handheld and home consoles had wildly different hardware)
Similar to what xbox has done with series x and s.
Ufortunately I know this is extremely unlikely.
Though traditional home hardware might allow Nintendo to dip into vr or ar somehow, something you know they secretly are drying to do.
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mxbison
Member
Agree.
I think the warping through the ceiling looks ridiculous and could take away a lot of the fun in exploration.
To me that looks like going from immersive world to silly sandbox.
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Marvel14
Banned
Map is obviously not the same at all. Aside from all the sky islands it looks like the ground map has been changed as well.
Did you even watch the gameplay reveal? There were two brand new enemies shown.
The robot things hostile and passive and the big bat things.
I'm not sugesting anything. I'm stating it.Most games are repackaged with a shiny new coat of paint for each generation, and of course if you are obsessed with graphics and framerates that's fine, but to somehow suggest Breath of the wild is not one of the best games of all time, simply because you do not see it yourself is insane. Just look at it's sales and reviews... of course you are free to suggest the reviewers are all blind Nintendo fan boys, as are the people that bought the game... blah blah blah..
Legend Of Zelda Breath Of The Wild
96 Open Critic
97 Metacritic
That ubisoft breath of the wild clone is a better game than it. Plays better, looks better and is not as repetitive. It still got the score it deserved.
You stating botw review scores average means nothing to me as I made it pretty clear what my opinion about the ip is.
I've played more than a literal 5 hundred games. Botw doesn’t even rank in the top 200 of the games I played.
It's a boring game with annoying mechanics, extremely poor combat, repetitive copy and paste dungeons and a pretty much non existing story. The bosses are anti climatic.
This is what I played and I'm not letting anyone say otherwise.
You enjoyed it? Want more of the same? Good for you. I'm sure you'll have fun with the game.
I already know I won't.
I could forgive a lot if the combat was fun or it had a decent story.
I even remember people shitting on horizon in favor of botw back then. I couldn't believe it because horizon is a vastly better game. Poorer open world, but everything else? All around better.
Nintendo fans bought cardbox.
apple_of_enlightenment
Member
That shot on the left looks awful in comparison to Zelda. The Elden ring monster looks like he has a tree under his arm -- perspective is off, too muddy, and too detailed perhaps.
Does halo use the same enemies? just saying.
Mozza
Member
Again, all you are doing is passing off personal subjective opinions as objective facts.
The Ubisoft clone is at
79 on Open Critic
77 on Metacritic
So nobody agrees with your own personal opinion, while most agree that Zelda Breath Of The Wild is one of the greatest games of all time.
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Mozza
Member
A jump to around 4.5tf would be massive for the Switch.