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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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cireza
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Wow, this guy is beyond ridiculous.
Microsoft are trying to expand their Xbox business, they have zero reason to halt any other, unrelated to Xbox business they have there. If the deal fails, then it will fail and that's it.
And it would be a massive fail for MS to win using such methods, by the way. It would instantly kill any goodwill they actually had. People are way too "passionate" about this.
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harry mason 1989
Banned
Man if city wins the treble this yearI am shamelessly gonna banter myself today. Team went to beach and stopped giving a crap.
Please inter save the human race from this imminent disaster
Please
IllegalLemon
Member
The cloud thing was basically the CMA being cunning. They waited for Microsoft to have their say when it came to the cloud and then used their logic against them. Microsoft would cum in their pants whenever the word cloud was mentioned and couldn't shut up about how many billions they've invested into it & how they were willing to push those Activision games to more devices using the cloud (to 180 million more people). Whether through their own service or through the cloud services they penciled their insufficient and inadequate 10 year deals with, which the CMA is also now using as an argument against them(what happens when that 10 year grace period is over?).
Those who call the CMA's own logic and findings into question, must understand that the CMA asked or better yet, requested Microsoft and those other cloud companies to provide documents and data related to their market share, current & potential growth statistics and so on, so the CMA isn't particularly running blind here. All the info related to the cloud gaming operations that they requested from those companies, was potentially analysed and used as a reference point in their findings and conclusions. Microsoft couldn't shut up in interviews about being in a unique position in the cloud market and leveraging it to help it grow tremendously and now that argument has been used against them by the CMA. And the current situation doesn't really paint a good look for Microsoft either, especially since the EC has basically agreed with the CMA's concerns about the cloud , which further strengthens their case and drastically reduces the chances of an appeal getting approved. It's not the regulators who have stun-locked and fucked over Microsoft. Microsoft did that themselves by not keeping quiet when they should've.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
That is because China is intelligent. China's approval of this deal signifies a much needed, and much expected (by me, anyway), change in their regime. Their government is adopting a "for the people" persona and sloughing off its totalitarian history. China has the technology, the intelligence, the infrastructure, and (now) a desire to do better for its citizens. This acquisition approval is another step towards the Free Republic of China, and I am happy I lived to witness something like this.
Sorry, autocorrect is a pain. What I tried to type was, "That Chinese Winnie the Pooh can lick balls."
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feynoob
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You guys are our final hope.Man if city wins the treble this year
Please inter save the human race from this imminent disaster
Please
Though I want man city to win the fa cup.
Banjo64
cumsessed
gothmog
Gold Member
If people had some patience it would be perfect.Sports, food, acquisitions
Best thread of all time
harry mason 1989
Banned
I need to drink some milk nowU forgot 1 thing
For my health ofcourse
Bernoulli
M2 slut
and here the EU didn't even make a decision it was blocked just by the FTC
this is all looking too familiar, the CMA wanted a block too
Nvidia and Arm fight back as U.K. competition regulator considers blocking deal
The semiconductor giants submitted a document to the U.K. regulator explaining why the deal should be permitted to go ahead.
www.cnbc.com
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IllegalLemon
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So, it's fanboy wet dreams then?
ChorizoPicozo
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what the fuck happened with this thread?
LordCBH
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Shits dead so it’s 33% copium, 33% calling out the idiots high on copium, and 33% entertaining bullshit.
ChorizoPicozo
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IFireflyl
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LordCBH
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I approve of this 1%.
Dick Jones
Gold Member
The court case hasn't happened. Do they have a time machine like my neighbour called Peter and his flux capacitor, he told me he built a time machine like one in a film I've seen, yeah.
MasterCornholio
Member
I don't think the FTC was ever going to be a problem. But the CMA is what they are actually worried about. If anyone can stop it from happening it's them.
DavJay
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Bernoulli
M2 slut
Where are those 90% of lawyers ?
Why the Activision stock didn't move if it was a slam dunk ?
DavJay
Member
Check out those bunch of videos on YouTube with lawyers talking about this merger. Most think it will pass. Generally all think the ftc will easily lose in court and the cma will reverse it decision because of pressure from the PM. Nothing is a slam dunk. Not win nor a block. All up still for grabs.
Dick Jones
Gold Member
I said my neighbour called Peter and his flux capacitor. I don't have one.You have a time machine? Why are wasting your time on a forum ?
I guess you don't know about shit early 00s pop songs either.
GHound
Member
I wish they were that stupid. Talk about watching decades unravel in a matter of weeks.
It would be hilarious.
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Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Exactly. Threatening to use your monopoly powers in a tantrum over not being granted more monopoly powers is not a good look.
Also I'm pretty sure MS' role in UK cyber security is only needed because Windows is so insecure and ubiquitous that it is responsible for most threats. I would be very surprised if the UK's accrual cyber-security infrastructure itself is Windows based.
Kenshin775
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Warning: for people that say ringfencing and changing the deal isnt possible please ignore this post and don't quote as that will just waste people's time and space in the thread. I am just going by what lawyers and financial analysts on TV have said and I know I am not going to change your mind and you aren't going to change mine because I believe the professionals.
To answer your question. The deal can be changed. Hoeg said they can change the terms of the deal to not include the UK. Then MS would have to sell activision UK assets or spin them off as a seperate company in the UK. If that happens the UK cannot sue MS and Activision for NOT merging in their country.
Its not like UK gamers would be left out though. Even if that happens it just means MS would have to pay this seperate company to get CoD and other ABK games on Game Pass in the UK. Which i am sure they would do unless they really want to make the CMA look bad.
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Topher
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freefornow
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The linked article does not point to MP being paid by lobbying on behalf of MS.There was only this guy, who’s being paid £2k per month by a lobbying firm on behalf of Microsoft.
Cut the shit.Revealed: senior Tory MP was paid £2,000 a month by lobbying firm | Lobbying | The Guardian
Bim Afolami ran a group calling for Rishi Sunak to overhaul the UK’s regulatory systemamp.theguardian.com
"In April, Afolami also launched a report for the group suggesting that a “lack of democratic oversight of regulators is holding back UK productivity and economic growth”, with the author listed as an economist at WPI Strategy, with editorial control from MPs on the group. The report was funded by one of WPI’s clients, Pension Insurance Corporation, which is on the advisory council of the group and contributed a foreword."
While Microsoft is listed as a client of WPI, it seems that MS worked with them to publish a "White Paper" on "Regional inequalities in health and social care: the power of digital technology to close the gap"
Thirty7ven
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So renegotiate to exclude the UK, but the CMA would still block. MS owning ABK at that point would be grounds for suing MS. How would the UK not sue MS if what’s being proposed would mean MS bought ABK against CMA’s orders? MS can’t sell its ABK business in the UK without owning them first.
That scenario doesn’t work the way you described it so maybe you didn’t understand the lawyers. Or maybe the lawyers you’re quoting are being vague enough on purpose because in all likelihood they got called to go on tv to feed drama.
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And what would this mean exactly? That Activision would remain independent and exist only in the UK? Who would own the IP rights in the global context? What about the studios? Would the shareholders then need to do what's best for "Activision UK" and again not go to any subscription services because it didn’t want to due to lost sales? I thought going to subscriptions was only possible if they were a part of MS and it wasn’t in their interests, why would lost sales all of a sudden be beneficial again?
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Topher
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Yes, the terms of the deal can be changed if Microsoft and ABK both agree to it, but no they cannot try and trick their way past the ruling. If they want to keep operating in the UK then MS cannot buy or invest in any part of ABK for a period of 10 years. If your "TV professionals" did not say that then they are simply ill informed which isn't surprising in this day and age.
This is from the draft of the CMA's final order:
What do these TV experts think is going to happen? MS buys ABK and just hopes no one tells the CMA?
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The Pleasure
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Got a picture of Phil Spender singing to the cma
Topher
Gold Member
Gaz had a M&A UK lawyer on his weekly podcast. Not some pretend TV expert. He was asked about what can Microsoft do.
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Kenshin775
you should watch this.
Effectively, this acquisitions fate is in the hands of the CAT. If the CAT sends this back to the CMA then CMA will have to address the issue and Microsoft can then offer new remedies. That's it. None of this bullshit about creating some other company or carving out cloud will work.
Effectively, this acquisitions fate is in the hands of the CAT. If the CAT sends this back to the CMA then CMA will have to address the issue and Microsoft can then offer new remedies. That's it. None of this bullshit about creating some other company or carving out cloud will work.
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Varteras
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Which would require the CAT to find some kind of fault with how the CMA conducted itself. Which is already unlikely. The CMA also already more or less made it clear they're not down for behavioral remedies. So even if the CAT sends it back, and unless there was a significant discrepancy, the CMA isn't going to accept anything less than some type of divestment that Microsoft previously refused. And that divestment, at bare minimum, would require Microsoft to give up Call of Duty and at least 4 of Activision's studios. All of their big ones.
Sleepwalker
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feynoob
Member
Sadly, this is the only thing that I managed to get.Got a picture of Phil Spender singing to the cma
Jigsaah
Gold Member
So if this is the case, why are approvals and updates still news at this point? Why not just call it a day?
reinking
Gold Member
There are obligations that those other approvals are still going to move forward until the deal is officially cancelled or the CAT sends it back to the CMA and they reverse their decision.
As for why some make it big news...
drganon
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The so called professionals you are listening to are idiots. Hoeg especially.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
This answer is...unsatisfactory...mainly because this would suggest there is a chance that the CMA could reverse the decision. Far as I understand this would only happen if the appeal reveals some flaw in the CMA's reasoning or if they were being less than genuine in some way. So as other territories approve, most notably the EU...there appears to be more nuance to this. I'm seeing a lot of folks on here looking at this in black or white though.There are obligations that those other approvals are still going to move forward until the deal is officially cancelled or the CAT sends it back to the CMA and they reverse their decision.
As for why some make it big news...
That being said, I will address the other part of the answer. Who decides whether the deal is officially done or not. Microsoft? The regulators? How is the end determined?
ShadowkillXNA
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Did you put on your red slippers and click your heels three times with your eyes closed while saying this like Dorothy in Wizard Of Oz?
Worked for her, it couldn't hurt.
reinking
Gold Member
I had originally put "in the off chance" before it going back to the CMA but removed it. I understand that it is unlikely (but still not impossible).
My understanding is the current deal expires July 18th and at that time Microsoft will owe Activision 3 billion dollars if it terminates due to being blocked by regulators. I believe the deal can still be extended past that date if Activision is willing to accept a new offer. The deal will end if MS decides to pay the 3 billion and not make an additional offer, or if Activision declines an offer to extend the deal.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
What in the world is going on with the Xbox reporting audience? It's not just guys like Senju talking about "working around the UK", it's also people like Grubb and the Xcast crew.
Why do they somehow believe that they can simply "work around" the UK? It is stipulated in the contract Activision signed than the CMA must approve the deal. For this imagined scenario to even be a reality, Activision must come to a new agreement with Microsoft rather than taking the $3B. Even assuming that they agree to a new contract, it's still a legal nightmare to believe you can "work around the UK" - in effect, you can't simply say you are going to not offer Activision products in the UK, the rammifications in terms of legal issues go much broader than that as it would be in violation of UK securities laws.
Why do they somehow believe that they can simply "work around" the UK? It is stipulated in the contract Activision signed than the CMA must approve the deal. For this imagined scenario to even be a reality, Activision must come to a new agreement with Microsoft rather than taking the $3B. Even assuming that they agree to a new contract, it's still a legal nightmare to believe you can "work around the UK" - in effect, you can't simply say you are going to not offer Activision products in the UK, the rammifications in terms of legal issues go much broader than that as it would be in violation of UK securities laws.
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Topher
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CMA will only modify their findings based on the appeal, you are correct. There isn't anything black and white here. The deal is on until Microsoft gives up the effort or they exhaust all legal avenues in the UK. So it ain't over no matter what anyone says. This can drag on for two or more years if Microsoft wins appeal.
feynoob
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"Gamers discovering real life laws".
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