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[PropellerEar]

No yeah sorry that's what I meant lol

The rocket ship has truly taken off and it can't be landed anymore.

 

[Faust]

User is banned. Move on.

 

[feynoob]

 

[TheGodfather07]

Microsoft are shady as fuck. They have paid shills everywhere. Gaf, era, reddit, twitter. Fuckers are everywhere and have the same posting style. You can easily tell. There's more here too and most of us know who they are.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Microsoft are shady as fuck. They have paid shills everywhere. Gaf, era, reddit, twitter. Fuckers are everywhere and have the same posting style. You can easily tell. There's more here too and most of us know who they are.

They just wanna secure the bag, for the $200 hour package I would do it too.

Hell, if you're reading this Phil, my DM's are open

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Microsoft are shady as fuck. They have paid shills everywhere. Gaf, era, reddit, twitter. Fuckers are everywhere and have the same posting style. You can easily tell. There's more here too and most of us know who they are.

this is exactly what a MS shill would say.

 

[Dafegamer]

Nevermind he has also been used by Microsoft as a witness before, which is a conflict of interest

Ok, this is getting juicy How will that fact the ongoing process????

 

[Ansphn]

There is practically no chance that MS are paying people to post on Neogaf in paticular.

How much are they paying you to say this?

 

[Sleepwalker]

It all seems so clear once you look back with the power of hindsight

 

[Self_Destructive]

Let'em fight.

 

[Dick Jones]

I know we were told to move on but what an absolute fucking idiot Florian is and anyone here (who is not Florian) and believes his shit should be mocked for eternity. Florian is mentally ill.

Also

 

[gothmog]

The dude craves attention. Stop giving it to him.

 

[icerock]

It's actually pathetic how many astroturfers and lobbyists MS is paying to spread FUD all over the internet. If they frankly invested anywhere near this much attention and care to their first party studios, they wouldn't be in the situation now.

Also, props to moderators on here for actually permabanning these shills. On other places, not only are they left unchecked but other shill mods actually protect them.

 

[Topher]

The dude craves attention. Stop giving it to him.

Agreed. Time to move on.

 

[feynoob]

Let'em fight.

Man, the dude hates Idas so badly.
Wonder how era will react to this.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Wbere is Phildo?

 

[3liteDragon]

LMAO wow, this retard was on here the whole time? When did he make his GAF account?

 

[feynoob]

Wbere is Phildo?

Buff red torpedo guy who is next to the lion.

 

[feynoob]

LMAO wow, this retard was on here the whole time? When did he make his GAF account?

long time.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Buff red torpedo guy who is next to the lion.

You need to unlock the platinum for where is phildo, some trophies left

But please don't spoil, let everyone play

 

[Warablo]

they probably are, wouldn’t be the first time

IIRC a bunch of astroturfers got busted & banned back around the start of the PS4/Xbox One gen as well ~10 years ago

And where is your proof that they were actually paid shills and not just fans? I was here at the start of the Xbox One/PS4 and it was a massacre for anyone who was team green.

Microsoft isn't paying people to post online, that's not to say they might have employee's just like Sony that browses social media, but it isn't their main job or something.

 

[Barakov]

Nevermind he has also been used by Microsoft as a witness before, which is a conflict of interest

The fact that Activision Blizzard consulted with this guy is kinda telling about the current state of that company.

 

[Kilau]

And where is your proof that they were actually paid shills and not just fans? I was here at the start of the Xbox One/PS4 and it was a massacre for anyone who was team green.

Microsoft isn't paying people to post online, that's not to say they might have employee's just like Sony that browses social media, but it isn't their main job or something.

It was said that Bish had proof but I have no idea and the site went through a lot of turmoil since then.

 

[feynoob]

And where is your proof that they were actually paid shills and not just fans? I was here at the start of the Xbox One/PS4 and it was a massacre for anyone who was team green.

Microsoft isn't paying people to post online, that's not to say they might have employee's just like Sony that browses social media, but it isn't their main job or something.

Dont believe in this nonsense.
All big companies hire people to promote their products and keep their images up. Its the main reason why these guy use politicians for lobbying.
Dont understimate them.

 

[feynoob]

Warablo
here

Microsoft caught ‘astroturfing’ bloggers again to promote Internet Explorer

Microsoft pitches a high-profile venture capitalist to write paid blogs about its new Internet Explorer browser experience.

www.pcworld.com

 

[Bernardougf]

Holy shit lol .. I was seeing this guy post and thinking that he was an ironic troll just saying absurd things pro Ms/xbox/merger fot laughs and in the end all the posts were real ?? Like for real?? God damn.. have to agree with the mods "seek mental help" dude asap

 

[HawarMiran]

Holy shit.

@Mod of War @EviLore

Genuine question, what’s the policy on actual paid shills?

@SoloKingRobert / Florian, you’ve got issues bro. Some of the stuff you tweet is extremely alarming.

Isn't he German? being "team Xbox" in Germany is eyebrow raising in itself Source: I live in Germany and don't know a single Xbox gamer

 

[Warablo]

Warablo
here

This is general blog stuff, nothing new. A lot of companies pay people to review their product and such. Especially big sites like IGN or Gamespot in terms of gaming (at least used to be).

A lot of Amazon reviews are even like this.

 

[Vognerful]

I got waldo

 

[Sleepwalker]

I got waldo

I wanted to make Phil Waldo but I couldnt fucking find waldo when making the pic.

Sad times lool

 

[Dick Jones]

long time.

So "last year"

 

[feynoob]

So "last year"

He joined in 2018.

 

[Yoboman]

This is general blog stuff, nothing new. A lot of companies pay people to review their product and such. Especially big sites like IGN or Gamespot in terms of gaming (at least used to be).

A lot of Amazon reviews are even like this.

Bros defending astroturfing kinda sus

 

[Dick Jones]

He joined in 2018.

I was making a reference to Florian's tweet that it was a long time since Florian dealt with Microsoft, and then said last year [we are still unsure of whether it is the calendar or fiscal]

 

[BlueLyria]

Huh.



No worries Florian, I got it on camera

 

[Topher]

Microsoft isn't paying people to post online,

This is general blog stuff, nothing new.

Also known as posting online. As well as being paid.

You might even say "Microsoft is paying people to post online".

 

[adamsapple]

I think y'all are missing the post from the mods above saying to move on lol

 

[Varteras]

GAF from now on after this

 

[Heisenberg007]

Man, woke up only to find out that the legend himself was among us. Sitting with us mere mortals. Damn!

 

[Heisenberg007]

Anyway, the fewer Astroturfers the better.

Moving on, on topic:

What's the difference/importance of MS appealing under Section 114, and not 120?

 

[Zghia]

Let'em fight.

All I can say is that Foss really needs mental help

 

[reksveks]

Anyway, the fewer Astroturfers the better.

Moving on, on topic:

What's the difference/importance of MS appealing under Section 114, and not 120?

It seems to be under section 120. Where are you reading MS are appealling under section 114.

Dumb reading on the following is that section 114 has been superseded by other sections.

There are currently no known outstanding effects for the Enterprise Act 2002, Section 114.

 

[Bernoulli]

Man, woke up only to find out that the legend himself was among us. Sitting with us mere mortals. Damn!

I tagged you before the reveal too

 

[Bernoulli]

Let'em fight.

But idas did nothing

 

[Banjo64]

These are also the same guys who will run and report you to mods for 'console warring' and they have the biggest persecution complex on the forums. I wonder how many people have gotten infractions or even bans because of guys like him?

Nice catch, thanks for exposing this clown. Bernoulli

Extinguish, eliminate your enemies, leverage every possible advantage, ‘independently praise our technology, damnation of the enemies’. It’s all part of their 100 page evangelism document.

 

[Banjo64]

I don't think he needs ban unless he's causing problems or something.

He’s defending himself.

 

[Banjo64]

Banning one of the shills, fully behind it.

Why should Microsoft get to use this platform as a promotion platform without informing and compensating the owner.

Scummy company.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I tagged you before the reveal too

Yeah, I didn't visit NeoGaf then. A couple of us talked about this in the private chat, but even I downplayed it thinking he probably just copy-pasted the screenshot that Florian took and shared on Twitter -- giving him the benefit of the doubt. lol.

I underestimated the extent people go to earn some money on the side.

Anyway, some interesting development. What do you make of the 114 and 120 sections, and how Microsoft is approaching this appeal?

 

[Heisenberg007]

It seems to be under section 120. Where are you reading MS are appealling under section 114.

Dumb reading on the following is that section 114 has been superseded by other sections.

There are currently no known outstanding effects for the Enterprise Act 2002, Section 114.

I saw this post of GAF. To be fair, I haven't been able to focus this morning (been super busy), so very much possible I missed the context.

But I understood that MS filed the appeal under Section 114, and not Section 120. And it's Section 120 that limits the CAT from judging the merits of the case and only allows them to review if the CMA made any errors.

And by filing the appeal in Section 114, there is a possibility that MS has succeeded in circumventing this problem and can now force the CAT to look at the merits of the case.

Is my understanding wrong then?

 

[reksveks]

I saw this post of GAF. To be fair, I haven't been able to focus this morning (been super busy), so very much possible I missed the context.

But I understood that MS filed the appeal under Section 114, and not Section 120. And it's Section 120 that limits the CAT from judging the merits of the case and only allows them to review if the CMA made any errors.

And by filing the appeal in Section 114, there is a possibility that MS has succeeded in circumventing this problem and can now force the CAT to look at the merits of the case.

Is my understanding wrong then?

1) I am 99% certain it's under section 120 cause of the above post.
2) re the difference between the two, I am still unsure but I am just looking at the CAT page, it does seem like 120 is section for more so formergers reviews .

Section 120 - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/40/section/120
Section 114 - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/40/section/114

It does seem like it's more related to the decision that the companies are appealling. Re the evidence and what CAT can do is still a bit unknown personally but it sounds like 114 is just about quashing the penalty or reducing it. 120 is the thing that Topher shared before and I am still reading slightly differently (probably incorrectly).