ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
Early access my ass. They released it already. Don't make excuses for them.
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Starfield, my thoughts about early access.
- Thread starter Osthyvel
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DragonNCM
Member
John Marston
GAF's very own treasure goblin
OP you apologized too much.
Stand straight with your shoulders up and just say it
Stand straight with your shoulders up and just say it
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
It's Phil's ass.
feynoob
Member
Battle passes level up is a thing now. You pay to skip up levels, instead of grinding it.
It's a scam that acts as a value product. You as a consumer feel good when you buy these stuff.
funkygunther
Banned
its not a scam, you are getting what you pay for and what is advertised
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I personally am not making excuses I just know how it works and how its becoming more of a trend for games recently
You want in on early access you buy the more expensive edition that also comes with the first DLC
If people can't or wont spend the extra 30 bones for it thats on them
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
$1 per review score point. Noice!
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Thankfully no one forced you to support such a practice that you complained about.
Make the best of your investment
Make the best of your investment
sendit
Member
Agreed. I can't imagine a business wanting to make money that they've spent over half a billion on. Scum of the earth.EA here is bullshit and purposedly timed with the long weekend. MS is pinning too much on Starfield, we Gamepass loyalists, suffer because of it.
EA only grants DLC and not base game, more fuckery
MarkMe2525
Member
All good, you didn't mention you were referring to that particular mechanic in the og post so I was confused. Yeah, paying for battle pass and then paying to skip it is a little ridiculous. I imagine, more people than I would like to think use it.
feynoob
Member
EA is king at they do.EA here is bullshit and purposedly timed with the long weekend. MS is pinning too much on Starfield, we Gamepass loyalists, suffer because of it.
EA only grants DLC and not base game, more fuckery
they are hated for doing these practices, yet there are still dumb people who pay for these shit.
It's like Stockholm syndrome at this point. Gamers like getting shit on by these companies.
Zuzu
Member
By genuine reasons I’m referring to reasons other than making money as the reason for the delay. Some genuine reasons could be: needing more time for a day 1 patch or ensuring that retailers have enough stock that will be ready to go out on store shelves on time.
The only reason for the delay is to make money by tapping into people’s low impulse control/inability to be patient and perhaps a desire to feel special by offering early access.
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feynoob
Member
It's scam, because there is no need for early 5 days.
I could tolerate the dlc and other extra content as those offer more value, but paying early access is pure scam.
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
Early access games are open for development and are released months or even years before their actual release date. There's no 6-day early access. We all know they'll release the same game. Those who pirated the game may have already finished it, but as a Game Pass user, I'm waiting for September 6th. I don't care about Starfield, but Microsoft's greedy attitude and indirectly breaking their promise is disgraceful.
there’s ‘knighthood’ in pointing out to you that in a subscription service for games, you don’t pay for the games on the service?
funkygunther
Banned
I don’t think you know what a scam is, the “need” for an early 5 days is so they can make more money.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
there’s ‘knighthood’ in pointing out to you that in a subscription service for games, you don’t pay for the games on the service?
feynoob
Member
There is making money, then there is making artificial value.
Early 5 days is artificial value that offers nothing to the consumers.
They make money from the actual release. They are not losing anything.
JusticeForAll
Gold Member
I played for 5h, but I am a bit underwhelmed. It's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but in no way anything new. It's just Skyrim/Fallout in space with a lot of empty space ("planets"). I prefer a smaller map that is denser with content.
feynoob
Member
No, just you jumping on any news that sounds negative to Xbox and defending them.there’s ‘knighthood’ in pointing out to you that in a subscription service for games, you don’t pay for the games on the service?
I wonder if you actually think from consumer side, instead of trusting these companies blindly.
funkygunther
Banned
they are not losing anything but they can gain more, and there’s nothing artificial about the value because the ones that have bought it have valued it
feynoob
Member
Reviewers said that it gets better the longer you play.
I think the more fun things will appear later.
I don't know why Bethesda did that. Current generation have low atention span.
Mortal Kombat 1, Baldur’s Gate 3, Hogwarts Legacy, Battlefield 2042, COD MW3 and many other multiplatform games have - or had - more expensive editions that provide early access to the final game.
Those certainly aren’t GamePass games.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
VideoGameEnjoyer
Member
I'm glad we could get your personal, very unique, thoughts on the matter.
It is what it is. Corporations trying to squeeze every penny out of consumers is nothing new or surprising. My favorite time with Diablo IV was that first early access weekend. And it's easily worth $30 to me to get a jump on Starfield this long weekend. The value is worth it to me, it won't be to others.
All games being the same price is weird anyway. Ratchet and Clank and RDR2 cost the same amount (Newest Ratchet is actually $10 more!) that will never make sense, it's just the way things have always been done. It wouldn't be unreasonable for R* to make GTA VI $100 for the standard edition, but the backlash would be insane because that's not how video games get priced. $30 for 'early access' is an understandable compromise.
It is what it is. Corporations trying to squeeze every penny out of consumers is nothing new or surprising. My favorite time with Diablo IV was that first early access weekend. And it's easily worth $30 to me to get a jump on Starfield this long weekend. The value is worth it to me, it won't be to others.
All games being the same price is weird anyway. Ratchet and Clank and RDR2 cost the same amount (Newest Ratchet is actually $10 more!) that will never make sense, it's just the way things have always been done. It wouldn't be unreasonable for R* to make GTA VI $100 for the standard edition, but the backlash would be insane because that's not how video games get priced. $30 for 'early access' is an understandable compromise.
twilo99
Member
Yes, its the perfect gamepass game really..
feynoob
Member
It is artificial value from consumers side.
From company side, it's about making money. From consumers side, there is no value for 5 day early access.
funkygunther
Banned
the consumers that bought it disagree with you
feynoob
Member
I don't think they will do any sale for this game any time soon.Your English is fantastic
I agree with you as well. This practice is disgusting, especially at this price point.
People need to have patience. Starfield in 6 months @ £25 on sale is not going to be a worse game than it is today.
That is my concern for the future. With gamepass, MS has no incentive to make their games cheap.
feynoob
Member
It's why I keep telling you it's scam.
It's artificial value to make consumers spend money. It gives them satisfaction of playing the game 5 days early compared to others.
Your first class airplane is example of that, even though it's the same plane and same trip period.
funkygunther
Banned
because it’s not a scam, again, people are getting what was promised and what is advertised
Robb
Gold Member
This is just another “horse armor” event. Now it’s 5 days for $30, down the line it’ll be two weeks for $45, then a month for $60..
I agree it’s awful. Although while I did not go for this with Starfield I’m honestly not sure what I’d have done if Nintendo did this for TotK.. I’d probably be part of the problem.
I agree it’s awful. Although while I did not go for this with Starfield I’m honestly not sure what I’d have done if Nintendo did this for TotK.. I’d probably be part of the problem.
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Portugeezer
Member
Yes, the game is officially released but gets artificially delayed for those cheap pieces of shit who only want to spend $70 or play on Gamepass.
It's a shit trend some big publishers have adopted.
It's a shit trend some big publishers have adopted.
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feynoob
Member
Any artificial value is scam designed to dry consumers their money.
There is no need to do 5 day early access, yet here we are.
This is the same thing that people defended for mtx. People said that it offered value and now look at where we are now.
All we are doing is give companies a reason to charge us more money.
Right now, it's MS that is charging this. Next time it will be EA, Sony, Activision and other industries.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
If you want more AAA SP games, you want this release strategy to thrive. If these companies can reliably extract more money from your demographic, they'll invest more in the making of these types of games.
It's actually a great idea.
It's actually a great idea.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Its not a scam to me in the least as I am getting exactly what I was promised
feynoob
Member
Yet people are defending these practices.
It's 70$ game. It's available on 17$ subscription. There was no reason to do early access. Yet here we are with MS charging 100$ and 35$ for gamepass users.
It's not looking good for future gaming.
Osthyvel
Member
Good advice, will take that with me.OP you apologized too much.
Stand straight with your shoulders up and just say it
feynoob
Member
What will you say when the industry adopts this practice?
We are seeing dlc horse armor all over again.
Markio128
Member
1st party are meant to be day 1.
funkygunther
Banned
its not artificial value as I’ve described, and it’s not a scam as I’ve described…you are using this emotive language but you don’t know what those words mean or how they apply
if people say it offers value and pay money because they think it’s worth it, it’s not artificial value
if the company delivers what it has promised for the price it has promised, it’s not a scam
your next post should be a rebuttal to the above, I do not need more examples when you’re not able to define the words you use
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I admittedly am 100% the whale you speak of and if I can be totally honest I don't much care about the feelings of the wannabe whales
I have busted my ass in life to become said whale so I am going to swim like one when I want, sorry
Ok when it becomes just horse armor I will pass
You keep giving me 4 or 5 days early access you get my 30 bones
Sorry