demigod
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Yeah because you were wrong and got nothing else to say.Just go back to clicking lol emojis, you're better at that.
Yeah because you were wrong and got nothing else to say.Just go back to clicking lol emojis, you're better at that.
I bought a Series X at my local Walmart on December 29th. It was the last one in the case and it was on sale for $350.
As of today, the case is restocked with four more units at $450.
This.I think, and time will tell, that Microsoft is absolutely going to have exclusives on their hardware.
I know some people here have an unhinged obsession with console wars and Sony triumphing over Microsoft, but Destiny 2 is on Xbox, Bungie's already announced that Marathon is going to be on Xbox. I don't see Xbox disappearing into the sea because Hifi Rush, Minecraft and COD are on PlayStation and Switch. I think that there's a good chance that both Microsoft and Sony will see the benefit in certain titles reaching larger audiences while keeping other titles exclusive and more part of their brand.
I struggle to see what the difference between generations is really. Sony made a lot of noise about how their new games were only possible thanks to the power of PS5 and then released them on Ps4 a bit later.
Exactly. I can't believe they're stupid enough to make this mistake - assuming this is true.Man this is scary looking back. MS coming out with a "new" console in 2025 would be a nightmare for them and a few in the industry.
The issue is that it is no longer possible to make AAA games for less than 3 years at minimum. So if they ended up launching a new console in 2025 it would be without any exclusive next gen games.
There is really no point launching next gen if you don't ship something with it. In fact it is downright embarrassing that Series X launched with Halo Infinite on the cover, but without the actual game being available.
There is nothing physically wrong with Series X anyway. No one is claiming the hardware is flawed. So launching next gen early would fix nothing that needed fixing. Instead it would just cause even more stress on the software pipeline. Telling developers that their game needed to be ready two years in advance than planned, is not going to make them happy.
I bought a Series X at my local Walmart on December 29th. It was the last one in the case and it was on sale for $350.
As of today, the case is restocked with four more units at $450.
I think, and time will tell, that Microsoft is absolutely going to have exclusives on their hardware.
I know some people here have an unhinged obsession with console wars and Sony triumphing over Microsoft, but Destiny 2 is on Xbox, Bungie's already announced that Marathon is going to be on Xbox. I don't see Xbox disappearing into the sea because Hifi Rush, Minecraft and COD are on PlayStation and Switch. I think that there's a good chance that both Microsoft and Sony will see the benefit in certain titles reaching larger audiences while keeping other titles exclusive and more part of their brand.
I wouldn't near bet the farm MS is doing this but its 100% something they have looked very deep into and if not in '25 than early '26 with a Zen 5 consoleMan this is scary looking back. MS coming out with a "new" console in 2025 would be a nightmare for them and a few in the industry.
It is not a meaningless term.thus proving my point, that "generation" is a largely meaningless term, and a pro console could be named whatever you like for all the relevance it has on the software it can play.
No one cares about subscription services growth has stalled for years
There's one big elephant in the room though:This.
My advice is that you don't expect some people here to understand the logic of your argument and its possibilities. There are people who have already decided to conclude that MS is abandoning the development of console hardware and therefore any option that involves launching a new XBOX console (whatever its form or approach) will be discussed or denied.
Definitely, if MS decides (as everything indicates) that it is going to continue releasing console hardware, that console is going to have Xbox exclusives. This regardless of what they plan to do with XSeries between now and the end of its life cycle about exclusives.
Just think how MS has refused and continues to refuse to accept the obligation to release ABK and Bethesda games on consoles PS and (Nintendo) Switch beyond COD for 10 years.
That is to say, it is clear that MS has a clear intention not to be subject to any limitations when deciding. You can perfectly launch XSeries games on PS5 or Switch that does not mean that you cant decide to give maximum priority and enhance your new product.
That is why I have said on other occasions that everything will depend on what type of product MS wants to offer. A console with the possibility of selling 45+ million (then it will necessarily need exclusivity of games) or one of 25-30 million (then the multiplatformity of everything would make sense)
In my case, I believe that MS is not going to launch a product destined to be residual. In fact I don't see Sarah Bond being placed as head of hardware just to prepare a residual product.
With MS it is difficult to put your hand in the fire about what they do or are going to do. But if I had to bet I would do it this way in order of possibilities:
1- It will launch a revision of XSX to reduce costs. In 2025 a PRO console or hardware that moves away from generations.
2-It will launch agnostic hardware in 2026. Separate from PS6 generations. In the manner of periodic updates.
3-MS abandons the development of console hardware and its own ecosystem and converts to the EA or Taketwo model.
4-MS launches hardware without exclusives and supports OEMs. The hardware will have a completely residual importance and will be left to possible third-party opportunities in the manner of Windows handleahd.
Really?
This gen released in the middle of a pandemic, which obviously caused the transition to current-gen to be much slower than typically is the case.
You've just described PS5, PS6 will be the same thing for the first few years. As noted they made a play to push people to jump to next gen then released the games on PS4 anyway.
There's no reason why you couldn't sell PS5 alongside PS6. There's no real reason to call a console "Pro" instead of just adding a number to the model name. The PS5 Pro might as well be called PS6 for all the difference it'll make to the games it'll play.
"We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features.
That was kind of the case with the PS360 generation. The 360 released a year before the PS3 and despite being less powerful on paper it did as well or better than PS3 running third party games for most of the generation.To be honest, as someone who owns all 3 systems, I'd welcome them falling out of sync with one another, it'd be great for there to be more launches to look forward to and for new hardware to be more different to each other (in the case of Series X/ Ps5).
Part of me wonders if there's a benefit to both platforms in releasing near simultaneously though - in terms of awareness, press coverage, etc. But I can imagine that getting a year head start with what will basically be roughly as capable as your competitors' hardware would be an ideal spot for any platform to find themselves in, IMO. Get tomorrow today, etc. As long as you have some software to demonstrate the differences.
I'm not sure you seem to understand the difference between what a PRO model is and what a next-gen console is designed to do. Stop viewing this from MS' viewpoint. View it from Sony's viewpoint. Jim Ryan was right when it said, "we believe in generations". Most people never read the following sentences after that quote so here it is.
I think it's more about the generation itself. All PS5 games will be made with PS5 Pro in mind. PS6 games won't always be made with PS5 and PS5 Pro in mind.You've just described PS5, PS6 will be the same thing for the first few years. As noted they made a play to push people to jump to next gen then released the games on PS4 anyway.
There's no reason why you couldn't sell PS5 alongside PS6. There's no real reason to call a console "Pro" instead of just adding a number to the model name. The PS5 Pro might as well be called PS6 for all the difference it'll make to the games it'll play.
Xbox AirI think it's more about the generation itself. All PS5 games will be made with PS5 Pro in mind. PS6 games won't always be made with PS5 and PS5 Pro in mind.
Calling PS5 Pro the PS6 would make no sense whatsoever. From a PR point of view makes no sense and would only cause confusion for no reason...but that's something Xbox knows how to do i mean...Xbox....Xbox 360...Xbox One...Xbox One X...Xbox Series X...can't wait for what's next.
Yup. The Series X is the most powerful console out and it was $350 last month as stores were selling out of PS5.There's one big elephant in the room though:
People don't want Xbox anymore.
PS4 Pro was only 10% of the PS4 total installbase, most of which likely double-dipped.I think that from a consumer perspective, the idea is that a new system gives increased fidelity. And that's pretty much the difference. And in that sense, buying a pro model or a next-gen console isn't really any different. For a brand, sure, there's a difference in branding and how much promotion you do, how many people you expect to sell to, but in reality for the consumer, the end experience isn't so different. When I played Modern Warfare on Series X it wasn't a night and day difference for people playing it on the last console, One X. Better, sure. But not really so different.
As said, Jim Ryan believed in generations and the power of the PS5 storage, and let's face it the guy was good at marketing, he got the message out there that this machine would offer new experiences and have new capabilities that would be impossible on PS4 and then it turned out that some next gen only games worked just fine on the PS4 and on PCs without fast NVME drives and that a few of the most exciting games coming for PS5 would just be remakes of PS4 games with better lighting.
So, it seems like even he's muddied the water a little bit, I can understand why it might be confusing.
Yeah. I don't want to become a pc wanker, so if Sony go all digital, I'll quit games altogether.Boy microsoft really trying to kill the Xbox brand. If Sony goes all digital I go pc.
I actually wasn't even going to bother.The xsx at $350 is by far the best gaming hardware you can buy .. you scored.
That's been said since 2000.....There's one big elephant in the room though:
People don't want Xbox anymore.
They fucked up and didn’t have a Pro plan. PS5 Pro will be a huge seller with GTA 6. Phil was being arrogant and thought they had this gen in the bag with a low and high cost hardware.I was going to post that all of the people complaining about the next Xbox coming in 2025 were crazy as that would mean a 7 year life which isn’t bad… but then I looked and the Xbox came in 2020, not 2018 (no idea where I got that from) and was taken back about how wrong I was. It’s only been 3 years would then only be 5. That’s pretty short even in the old generations and total out of step with the current ones. If anything, they should just ride it out and get a real solid slate of games ready for 2027.
They have a point though.That's been said since 2000.....
And then you wonder about the farce of those in the ABK acquisition thread defending the FTC and affirming the possibility of MS establishing a monopoly on consoles....
They have been in that situation for 22 years and yet they have continued to insist.... Why, precisely now (when they are in the best possible position to support their own hardware), is there no possibility of them continuing to insist?They have a point though.
Since the Xbox brand is dying, MS is throwing money around to stay relevant.
I think that from a consumer perspective, the idea is that a new system gives increased fidelity. And that's pretty much the difference. And in that sense, buying a pro model or a next-gen console isn't really any different. For a brand, sure, there's a difference in branding and how much promotion you do, how many people you expect to sell to, but in reality for the consumer, the end experience isn't so different. When I played Modern Warfare on Series X it wasn't a night and day difference for people playing it on the last console, One X. Better, sure. But not really so different.
As said, Jim Ryan believed in generations and the power of the PS5 storage, and let's face it the guy was good at marketing, he got the message out there that this machine would offer new experiences and have new capabilities that would be impossible on PS4 and then it turned out that some next gen only games worked just fine on the PS4 and on PCs without fast NVME drives and that a few of the most exciting games coming for PS5 would just be remakes of PS4 games with better lighting.
So, it seems like even he's muddied the water a little bit, I can understand why it might be confusing.
PS4 Pro was only 10% of the PS4 total installbase, most of which likely double-dipped.
A Pro version =/= a new gen, even the average consumer understands that.
As said, Jim Ryan believed in generations and the power of the PS5 storage, and let's face it the guy was good at marketing, he got the message out there that this machine would offer new experiences and have new capabilities that would be impossible on PS4 and then it turned out that some next gen only games worked just fine on the PS4 and on PCs without fast NVME drives and that a few of the most exciting games coming for PS5 would just be remakes of PS4 games with better lighting.
That's really distorting what was said and by who. Insomniac said R&C wasn't possible on PS4 due to the lack of PS5's SSD. What made R&C possible on PC was direct storage..
The only thing Jim Ryan said was his "we believe in generations" which has been wildly misinterpreted. Ryan listed exaclty what he meant by offering new experiences in a generation and it wasn't about games being on PS5 only.
Could be.Wasn't it closer to 15% than 10%?
I actually wasn't even going to bother.
I'm more of a BC gamer these days. I really don't like modern game design. And XCloud works well enough that I figured my One X would be the last console I'd ever buy.
I couldn't pass it up at that price, though. Even if it's just to serve as a replacement (plus the FPS boost is nice on a few titles).
I was a bit disappointed that it didn't include a Gamepass trial. Every Xbox I've purchased has had at least some free Gamepass included.
I'm pretty sure even the Xbox 360E I bought in 2015 included a code for two weeks of Gamepass, even though the 360 didn't support it.
Yeah it is super annoying, who thought that that clicky noise was acceptable?Please less *CLICK CLACK* on the new controller.
So the brand is not dying.....quite the opposite. XBOX is close to being the number 1 brand in revenue and with numerous highly successful IPs that can create a significant impact among users.
That is an incentive and a potential for a new product to be successful if it hits the right button. And that's what MS seems to be thinking when it's only willing to commit itself to COD and "only" for 10 years.
A new XBoxNext (with key hardware) debuting with XGS+ABK+Bethesda mayor exclusives vs PS6 would be a product with potential regardless of what XSeries was and how it ends.
As I say, at least a few months ago in the thread of the ABK acquisition it was what an immense majority here defended in line with the FTC to defend the prohibition of said acquisition
You just have to see how today it is impossible to predict what the next hit is and what decides success or failure (Palworld)
I was about to ask that too. I knew you were more in favor of physical media. This should, however, be a way to test the market for a larger named console manufacturer (and who better) to prove whether or not the world is ready for that 'all digital' future. Another part of me sees some of the desperate tactics SEGA used nearly 25-years ago when they saw their hardware industry falling apart. It was one thing after the next, all too fast and without enough time for them to genuinely build a proper consumer target audience to market with. Hopefully, that's not the case here. Although, I'd buy a brand new DC any day over this.Not happy with this, personally. I love most of the new features, but the death of physical for Xbox makes me very sad.
In my opinion they already released their version of the pro. It’s called the Series X.They fucked up and didn’t have a Pro plan. PS5 Pro will be a huge seller with GTA 6. Phil was being arrogant and thought they had this gen in the bag with a low and high cost hardware.
"Definitely, if MS decides (as everything indicates) that it is going to continue releasing console hardware, that console is going to have Xbox exclusives. This regardless of what they plan to do with XSeries between now and the end of its life cycle about exclusives."
Looks like that may be the exception rather than the rule. I've looked at Walmarts across the country online and I've yet to find a single one that has the Series X as available to pick up in store today.
Looks like that may be the exception rather than the rule. I've looked at Walmarts across the country online and I've yet to find a single one that has the Series X as available to pick up in store today.
It’s there at $449 near me. Weird I don’t see it on Amazon. Looks like they dropped msrp to $449 at certain retailers.
You sure you put in the correct zip codes? Walmart is shitty so it doesn’t change zip code unless you do it correctly or multiple times.Maybe something to do with geolocation. Tried the same zip code and it was still only showing availability for shipping. Tried in incognito mode and it showed the same thing.