Keihart
Member
Some of the Korean Originals have better production values than anything i've seen on HBO series or limited series, no idea what the actual budgets are tho.
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Keihart
Member
There is a bunch of non american shows with self contained seasons.
Extracurricular is easyly one of my all time favorite shows and it was structured as a 1 season show with a somewhat open ending.
Midnight Mass was pretty wicked too.
There is a bunch of cool shows on Netflix, maybe they are not as mainstream, but there is cerntainly some amazing stuff in there produced with Netflix's money.
I watched it just out of curiosity especially since they did the episode with Le Pierrot (episode 7 of the live action).
The show grew on me. Didn't like some of the changes or Radical Ed (lol that was bad). Over all I would've watched a second season.
Some of the scenes looked really good and I loved that they recreated shot for shot of some iconic scenes. Most of Netflix's shows are trash though, they throw everything at the wall and hope something sticks.
The show grew on me. Didn't like some of the changes or Radical Ed (lol that was bad). Over all I would've watched a second season.
Some of the scenes looked really good and I loved that they recreated shot for shot of some iconic scenes. Most of Netflix's shows are trash though, they throw everything at the wall and hope something sticks.
Halo is Back
Member
Maybe we should stop doing live action anime. Just a thought
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I haven’t seen any of this show, but I watched this clip. Some things should never be made into live action. That was absolutely terrible.
Mistake
Member
Vice is trying to redefine cult classic
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Gold Member
They will chalk it up to Internalized MynsogyBut I thought they were going to fix all the wrongs of the anime? The problematic anime written by a Japanese woman being fixed by a 50 year old white man.
Tschumi
Member
I'm not surprised. It was awfully cast and had the wrong tone. If the actors for Spike and Faye didn't realise they were totally failing the legacy of the show very early in this whole process I'd be shocked.
I said it before and people were kind of triggered by my wording, but spike was too short and with the wrong hair, and faye was not slutty/slinky/jiggly enough.
I don't care about female characters being slutty, slinky, or anything, i don't expect that as though it were a sacrosanct prerequisite of entertainment media, but if you're apeing an anime series that was originally mature, late night television, you don't try to wrestle it back to PG.
Next thing we know Golden Boy will be played by fucking Jonah Hill
That's just the way the original fucking show was! It gave it a kinda noir, gritty feeling. i don't want to jerk off to this crap but that's just the way it's meant to be. Should have found someone who looked like Leeloo in Fifth Element and added sass and plastic jackets while subtracting fabric.
(This post would totally get me banned on reee lol)
I said it before and people were kind of triggered by my wording, but spike was too short and with the wrong hair, and faye was not slutty/slinky/jiggly enough.
I don't care about female characters being slutty, slinky, or anything, i don't expect that as though it were a sacrosanct prerequisite of entertainment media, but if you're apeing an anime series that was originally mature, late night television, you don't try to wrestle it back to PG.
Next thing we know Golden Boy will be played by fucking Jonah Hill
That's just the way the original fucking show was! It gave it a kinda noir, gritty feeling. i don't want to jerk off to this crap but that's just the way it's meant to be. Should have found someone who looked like Leeloo in Fifth Element and added sass and plastic jackets while subtracting fabric.
(This post would totally get me banned on reee lol)
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Konnor
Member
Haha, you actually hoped that a Netflix show will actually improve instead of becoming an even worse pile of shit? I admire your positivity.
McCheese
Member
Unknown Soldier
Member
Hollywood needed to learn this lesson long ago. But they didn't learn with Battle Angel Alita, even after 20 years of James Cameron not being able to figure out how to make it live action, so the cycle will continue forever.
jufonuk
not tag worthy
Wildebeest
Member
Only unreasonable monsters want new things to be good.
Saber
Gold Member
Gonna guess he thinks the classic one is "problematic".
chromhound
Member
They need to stop turning Anime into Live Action adaptation....
fran.fernandez
Member
Just like the original.
directly to movie
directly to movie
jufonuk
not tag worthy
thefool
Member
I mentioned a while ago, in other Bebop thread, how the best course of action by the fans for stuff like this is indifference. If you adapt a somewhat nerdy property and you alienate its fandom, you're just reducing the initial target group. Without even some kind of audience bootstrapping, what you're left with is a niche product aimed at god knows who, and you either have something really good (but its Netflix...) or it will quickly fade into irrelevancy.
Even after all the discussion, I still can't believe their casting decisions, especially hiring some old unathletic actor to play Spike Spiegel.
Final note, Bebop deserved a really good adaptation. Its a wonderful show. But you need talent to (re)create.
Even after all the discussion, I still can't believe their casting decisions, especially hiring some old unathletic actor to play Spike Spiegel.
Final note, Bebop deserved a really good adaptation. Its a wonderful show. But you need talent to (re)create.
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BWJinxing
Member
I have a thing, if the source material is a comic / magna / anime, I personally lose interest to see a live action version.
The visual has already been established, what is live action going to do at that point? Its going to ruin the established visual, there's just plot left. Often which is going to heavily be CGI.
Novels and books are different, they actually leave things to the imagination, and they fill in the picture. I can accept a book adaptation.
I might watch this this eventually, but based on that clip meeting Ed, oooopf. There are some anime cliques, that just don't carry over well with live action.
The visual has already been established, what is live action going to do at that point? Its going to ruin the established visual, there's just plot left. Often which is going to heavily be CGI.
Novels and books are different, they actually leave things to the imagination, and they fill in the picture. I can accept a book adaptation.
I might watch this this eventually, but based on that clip meeting Ed, oooopf. There are some anime cliques, that just don't carry over well with live action.
MastaKiiLA
Member
Too bad. I was looking forward to more. Then again, I am a masochist.
Fake
Member
As long as they keep listening Twitter and Facebook, live action adaptation will never end of happening.
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Spaceman292
Banned
They had their chance
thefool
Member
This is basically the same reason why I dont really like Marvel movies or other comic books movies. Dont get me wrong, some are better than others, but as a whole I just am not into them. I am not trying to gate keep, if others like them that is great. But for me the stories come alive in comic book form, and on the screen it doesnt matter how much CGI they use it loses something and just seems lame.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Had to be.
trikster40
Member
Hey Netflix…
PEOPLE DONT WANT LIVE ACTION ANIME.
Im trying to think of one good example and I just can’t.
PEOPLE DONT WANT LIVE ACTION ANIME.
Im trying to think of one good example and I just can’t.
Yoboman
Member
I think it was ok and I enjoyed the first few episodes but they leaned too much into the cheese and not enough into the somberness that is in Bebop. But it was probably the best Anime/Manga adaptation outside of Edge of Tomorrow
They are moving in the right direction, something will get it right at some point.
They are moving in the right direction, something will get it right at some point.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Witcher is probably the best they've got in terms of showpiece budget shows. And it still looks like an upgraded sci-fi channel show with much more expensive actors.
Fbh
Member
Not surprising. The show always looked terrible and the few clips I've seen have been about in line with what I expected.
Live action anime just doesn't work 99% of the time. The characters are designed and written for animation, and the locations and setpieces don't have to deal with the limitations of live action productions.
Also Cowboy Bebop was one of the "easier" ones to adapt. Just cut out Ed and you have a cast of characters that might work in live action.
Now imagine live action One Piece where almost everyone is some over the top cartoony character.
IMO the Kenshin movies came close, they have some pretty nice action and the cheese/cringe is bearable.
The biggest issue with them, IMO, is that they really should have scaled back the costumes. It still looks distractingly like cosplayers in wigs.
Live action anime just doesn't work 99% of the time. The characters are designed and written for animation, and the locations and setpieces don't have to deal with the limitations of live action productions.
Also Cowboy Bebop was one of the "easier" ones to adapt. Just cut out Ed and you have a cast of characters that might work in live action.
Now imagine live action One Piece where almost everyone is some over the top cartoony character.
IMO the Kenshin movies came close, they have some pretty nice action and the cheese/cringe is bearable.
The biggest issue with them, IMO, is that they really should have scaled back the costumes. It still looks distractingly like cosplayers in wigs.
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kondorBonk
Member
Just doesn't translate well. I, mean I bet it could have... but it would have needed a lot more care. Changing mediums requires creative changes. This is when you make characters look more grounded in reality or make the decision to make the Ed an A.I. instead of a prepubescent kid with bounty hunters . So many properties get shit on for changing the source material but a one for one recreation very rarely works. Often times, it can even heighten the film and make it one of a kind. (The Shining, A Clockwork Orange, One flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, ect)
Manga/comics specifically work great for animation. They are essentially a beginning phase of animation already as story boarding. Everything already has a set flow and you get close to a scene by scene perfect adaptation. Production companies need to embrace adult animation more instead of pandering to the "if its not live action, I do care" audience. So many great western comics that are close to being forgotten thanks to shitty live action half ass attempts. Would have loved to see a proper Jupiters Legacy...
Manga/comics specifically work great for animation. They are essentially a beginning phase of animation already as story boarding. Everything already has a set flow and you get close to a scene by scene perfect adaptation. Production companies need to embrace adult animation more instead of pandering to the "if its not live action, I do care" audience. So many great western comics that are close to being forgotten thanks to shitty live action half ass attempts. Would have loved to see a proper Jupiters Legacy...
lifa-cobex
Member
See you space cow boy...
Ulysses 31
Member
Welp, now we know why Faye was gay but had the most asexual "sexual encounter" ever.If this is real, then it explains a few things.
Everything woke turns to shit. indeed.
Thaedolus
Gold Member
Jesus Christ why does everyone blame everything on being “woke?”
The show has innumerable problems with cringe dialogue, fucking up some characters, and the issues you’d expect trying to adapt an anime into a live action. Faye discovering the myth of the female orgasm was like five minutes of ten episodes. Why do so many mouth breathers feel the need to come in with the incredibly original hot take of “go woke go broke.”
Wow I’m sure you could definitely write a better show with such insight. The show wasn’t very good, but talk about learning all the wrong lessons…Vicious acting like a completely retarded spaz with no self control every episode? Nahhh the real problem here is Faye got it on with a girl, got it.
The show has innumerable problems with cringe dialogue, fucking up some characters, and the issues you’d expect trying to adapt an anime into a live action. Faye discovering the myth of the female orgasm was like five minutes of ten episodes. Why do so many mouth breathers feel the need to come in with the incredibly original hot take of “go woke go broke.”
Wow I’m sure you could definitely write a better show with such insight. The show wasn’t very good, but talk about learning all the wrong lessons…Vicious acting like a completely retarded spaz with no self control every episode? Nahhh the real problem here is Faye got it on with a girl, got it.
Thaedolus
Gold Member
Exactly. Cringe AF moment. Woke? Not really, just bad writing.
Unknown Soldier
Member
There are plenty of very good comic adaptations though. 300, Watchmen, the Nolan Batman trilogy, the Blade films. I do agree that Marvel is mostly formulaic dreck though.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
First I didn’t think the original show was nothing special the internet goes heywire because it was apart of their watching viewing past let’s not look so confused when seeing the Netflix cowboy beebop not being good.
Shizumapower
Member
Ulysses 31
Member
Because of the changed ending or the whole movie was badly adapted?
Because of the changed ending or the whole movie was badly adapted?
I dont think the movie was terrible but it didnt do justice to the comic in my opinion. But then again its one of the greatest comics of all time, or at least one of my favorites so adapting it to a movie isnt easy.