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Draugoth
Gold Member
I can't have the necromancer skin in my shelf
"Doesnt affect gameplay"
Meanwhile...
The armors you get ingame:
The armor you get for paying:
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Mephisto40
Member
Honestly do the people complaining about this walk into clothes shops and start screaming "I can't believe this store sells $30 jackets! I already paid for the jacket im wearing now!"
Microtransactions are bad yes, but this idea that you should be outraged at something nobody is making you buy is just silly tbh
Just have some self control and the problem is solved
Microtransactions are bad yes, but this idea that you should be outraged at something nobody is making you buy is just silly tbh
Just have some self control and the problem is solved
Elder Legend
Banned
They're just upset that they have no self control or are looking to find a way to paint a developer bad. 80% of people here have no clue how expensive game development is now days and don't understand what goes into recouping costs. This is not the early 2000s or 90s anymore.
I wonder if they walk into a Lamborghini store and complain to the managers that the car that costs $300K is expensive and that Lamborghini are scum for not allowing affordable vehicles.
They probably also forgot that the entire life is essentially a forever lifelong MTX commitment that you are FORCED to pay. Every month you have to pay for food, house bills, car payment, insurances, etc... they should be used to it by now. Oh wait but in video games no one is forcing you so what is the issue? KEKW is my answer.
Trickster
Member
These companies hire people who's sole job is to design the monetization in a way that essentially abuses how human psychology works in order to optimize how much money you can get your playerbase to spend while also not making the monetization so off putting that you end up making people not want to play or spend money.
So sure, you can boil it down and make it sound like a simple thing, but it's really not.
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Unknown Soldier
Member
Again: Who gives a shit?
Capitalism reshapes entire societies to prioritize making money. That's just how capitalism works. You live in a capitalist society. Deal with it.
Trickster
Member
Plenty of people. That's why this is a 6 page thread
And living in a capitalist world doesn't mean you have to welcome or be fine with every single thing that's done in a the name of capitalism
Phase
Member
You can do what you want with your money but keep in mind purchasing this overpriced extra stuff (including a battle pass in a full priced game) after already buying the game is supporting the practice and it will continue to get more egregious in the future because of you. Diablo is one of my all-time favorite series so I'll pick it up when it's very cheap. No way am I giving $60 or $70 when they're trying to rip people off.
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It's a f2p game
Draugoth
Gold Member
This. If we were lenient with everything capitalism does, we would be living in Cyberpunk 2077
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
More like, walk into a clothes shop and buy $30 jacket. Then you realize you need an additional $5 for each front pocket, $8 for the zipper, $10 for the collar.
Why complain? You paid for a jacket and you got a jacket! Just don't buy the other stuff if you don't want it!
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Bad analogy as those items are functional and essential to use the jacket and none of the items in the store are essential
It would be like buying a jacket and then complaining you didn't get free designs afterwards
It doesnt affect your jacket in any way but you can see people that got some cool patches that paid extra for them
Hot5pur
Member
The $20 game delay tax
The battlepass on a paid game that goes away if you don't grind
The "premium" battlepass
The shared online to push more cosmetics
The KFC marketing
And now the shop with exorbitant pricing
Sure you don't have to buy the cosmetics, I don't think that's the issue.
It's more about the attitude of the company, Blizzard is saying "hey, we know you are really excited about our game and we want to generate more content for you to enjoy"
But then they turn around and say "but we're going to FOMO the shit out of you with everything we release and try to charge as much as we can to the point it's blatantly obvious".
It really depends on consumers to decide if that's where they want the industry to go. Developing new content costs money, that's not the same thing as building up your game to be a fertile ground for predatory monetization schemes.
I think we're basically there already, I don't mind it because I *think* I have enough self control not to be manipulated into this, but anyone who thinks we have 100% free will and that advertisers/marketers haven't tapped into human psychology to get people to buy things (to the point where it becomes an addiction), you would be sorely mistaken. There is a reason we protect children from gambling, and yet, how many adults have gambling disorders? Are they all to blame for their "flawed" character?
I think as a society we do have a responsibility to protect people from scams and predatory behaviors, because companies who invest millions of dollars into figuring out how to manipulate consumers should not be treated as some benevolent entities that strictly believe in the free market and perfectly rationale consumers.
We've already see what happened with AI serving content up to people that led to mass radicalization, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
The battlepass on a paid game that goes away if you don't grind
The "premium" battlepass
The shared online to push more cosmetics
The KFC marketing
And now the shop with exorbitant pricing
Sure you don't have to buy the cosmetics, I don't think that's the issue.
It's more about the attitude of the company, Blizzard is saying "hey, we know you are really excited about our game and we want to generate more content for you to enjoy"
But then they turn around and say "but we're going to FOMO the shit out of you with everything we release and try to charge as much as we can to the point it's blatantly obvious".
It really depends on consumers to decide if that's where they want the industry to go. Developing new content costs money, that's not the same thing as building up your game to be a fertile ground for predatory monetization schemes.
I think we're basically there already, I don't mind it because I *think* I have enough self control not to be manipulated into this, but anyone who thinks we have 100% free will and that advertisers/marketers haven't tapped into human psychology to get people to buy things (to the point where it becomes an addiction), you would be sorely mistaken. There is a reason we protect children from gambling, and yet, how many adults have gambling disorders? Are they all to blame for their "flawed" character?
I think as a society we do have a responsibility to protect people from scams and predatory behaviors, because companies who invest millions of dollars into figuring out how to manipulate consumers should not be treated as some benevolent entities that strictly believe in the free market and perfectly rationale consumers.
We've already see what happened with AI serving content up to people that led to mass radicalization, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
MacReady13
Member
And there is your answer... Don't like it- DON'T BUY IT! I certainly won't be.
Mephisto40
Member
The whole point is you don't 'need' to buy any of the extra cosmetics in a video game
If you feel like you 'need' a $28 cosmetic in a video game, that is when it becomes a problem, especially when you can't necessarily afford it
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Instead of cry about it, don't buy it.
Eotheod
Member
That still isn't affecting gameplay? Your argument is moot, as Barbie doll dressups isn't a gameplay mechanics, it's an aesthetic appeal. Gameplay mechanic impact would be having actual stats assigned to the gear like Immortal, and Blizzard know as soon as they do that the game is dead.I can't have the necromancer skin in my shelf
"Doesnt affect gameplay"
Meanwhile...
The armors you get ingame:
The armor you get for paying:
The "don't buy it excuse isn't valid anymore" crowd are actually worse than the "don't buy it" vocalists, because the only way to actually impact these decisions is by not buying it. That is the only way consumers can change these developer mindsets, and whinging about people saying that is actually doing literally nothing.
Seriously, just don't lose self control and actually stop purchasing this shit. I did it for Destiny 2 (and actually dropped it entirely), and I'll do it for Diablo by not buying any cosmetics.
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Damageinc103
Member
Gamers….this 20 hour game that has all the content made for it is amazing…worth at least $60.
Gamers…this 100-150 hour game that is also trying to sell items in a cash shop is a rip off and we should boycott them!
So laughable.
Gamers…this 100-150 hour game that is also trying to sell items in a cash shop is a rip off and we should boycott them!
So laughable.
Eotheod
Member
That's actually a horrible analogy, because cosmetics rely on you still having the gameplay mechanic gear. All cosmetics are, are a skin or colour change. Your analogy would work better is if you bought a jacket, and then the shopkeeper told you there is a sparkling blue colour available for an extra $20. No differences, no additional pockets or zippers or shit, just colour change.
Damageinc103
Member
But instead of being happy you got the same jacket for $20 cheaper….you’re going to go bitch at the people that bought the sparkling jacket for $20 more and that somehow ruined your life.
mitch1971
Member
But if you buy the game with this shit in it are you not still still part of the problem? You may not buy the skins but your purchase isn't exactly dissuading them from including it.
Coloress_Kafka
Member
I’ll just wait for Game Pass, I’m not gonna give Blizzard $60 just to have them actively try to get even more money from me unless it’s a full blown expansion.
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BUY THE COOL STUFF IN AN ALREADY EXPENSIVE GAME
Yes, it's "just" cosmetic stuff, but it's also a BIG PART of the game. You're looking for the perfect ensemble you want with those amazing clothes you've seen on someone else. And now we will have those skins behind a paywall.
If you are ok with that, you are part of the problem with gaming recently. And yes games are expansive, but are you really gonna pretend it won't be a massive success, or that ABK is a poor company that desperately needs this?
D4 is gonna sell gangbusters, and they don't need this stupid battle pass/F2P structure. It's against one of the core of the game: chasing the perfect set with the perfect skin you want.
On the other side, there is the dev of Rifbreaker who just released a new DLC at 10e. New maps, new tech, new weapons and updated graphics. They also plan on adding a free coop mode. No MTX. No in game shop. Mod support. How's that?
Yes, it's "just" cosmetic stuff, but it's also a BIG PART of the game. You're looking for the perfect ensemble you want with those amazing clothes you've seen on someone else. And now we will have those skins behind a paywall.
If you are ok with that, you are part of the problem with gaming recently. And yes games are expansive, but are you really gonna pretend it won't be a massive success, or that ABK is a poor company that desperately needs this?
D4 is gonna sell gangbusters, and they don't need this stupid battle pass/F2P structure. It's against one of the core of the game: chasing the perfect set with the perfect skin you want.
On the other side, there is the dev of Rifbreaker who just released a new DLC at 10e. New maps, new tech, new weapons and updated graphics. They also plan on adding a free coop mode. No MTX. No in game shop. Mod support. How's that?
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sendit
Member
They're putting itemized loot behind a pay wall? That's news to me, fuck BLIZZARD! I'm going to buy the game, beat it, and sell it afterwards. Blizzard isn't going to get a a dime from me.
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Schmendrick
Member
Some of you guys must get a nervous breakdown every time you see a car like your own but in a colour you can't immediately have for free.....
Whining about 100% optional cosmetics is laughable, especially in a game that's guaranteed to have 100s of hours worth of content already with plenty of free good looking cosmetics available.
Whining about 100% optional cosmetics is laughable, especially in a game that's guaranteed to have 100s of hours worth of content already with plenty of free good looking cosmetics available.
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hybrid_birth
Gold Member
Hey a man has to enter hell in style.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Draugoth
Gold Member
You will have to buy the Battle Pass for that
Bumblebeetuna
Member
"but.. but, these used to be included!!"
Yes, when games were a few hundred MB and what they shipped is what you got. If some suckers paying for cosmetic skins is what it takes to fund countless amounts of updates and new content, I'm all for it.
Yes, when games were a few hundred MB and what they shipped is what you got. If some suckers paying for cosmetic skins is what it takes to fund countless amounts of updates and new content, I'm all for it.
Impotaku
Member
Needs a shitty hat photoshopping on or something to complete the look lol
No. The battle pass is for cosmetic rewards during a season or for xp boosts and platinum currency.
No content is blocked if you don’t get a $10 battle pass
Fbh
Member
Well if it cost me $70 to enter the clothes shop, and that used to include the best looking clothes but those along with other stuff are now cordoned off unless you pay extra, but also some of the stuff not only costs extra but I have to sew it together myself, but also they only give you 5 minutes to do so and if you aren't finished in that time you can't take the clothes home (no refunds), but also the sewing machine they give you is slow as fuck but there's a faster and more expensive one you can rent for over twice the price ... then yeah maybe I wouldn't be happy
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
You think people who buy those cosmetics really give 2 shits if others think its dumb?
EruditeHobo
Member
Simple stuff! Or so one would think...
Torrent of Pork
Banned
No, I was making a dumb joke.You think people who buy those cosmetics really give 2 shits if others think its dumb?
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
No. It would be like buying a car and having many of its features removed for extra payment later. That is what this is. This isn't "optional content". This is content designed for the game that was removed to be resold as DLC.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
I got you all covered...no worries!!!
ViolentP
Member
This is still too much responsibility for some.
sendit
Member
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I am buying the first $30 skin for my Rogue and walking around townsI got you all covered...no worries!!!
