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Anita Sarkeesian is tired, closes feminist frequency after 15 years

zeldaring

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Madflavor said:
I kinda hate to admit it, but it definitely does feel like Anita was the catalyst for a lot of the modern design we see with female video game characters today, particularly with Western games. She quickly became irrelevant over the years, but she definitely made an impact that rippled throughout the gaming industry.
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What characters did she influence?
 
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PonyStation4 said:
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Not a big deal, she just views them differently, not a major problem, at least from her pov.
 
SpiceRacz

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GetInTheRobot said:
Probably , not probably but a very unpopular opinion here, she's had a positive impact on the industry. Her whole impact on the industry, specifically after gamergate helped stop the fan base from going to an extremely toxic place that it was going towards and opened up gaming to a broader base by including new perspectives and voices. It's become less of a "boys club" since then which I do appreciate.
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Madflavor

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zeldaring said:
What characters did she influence?
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I don't think you could point to one character. What I'm saying is the Tropes vs Women in Games videos she did, got far more attention than it deserved, and resulted on shining a big spotlight on the whole thing. Western Game Developers started getting more scared of having fun and sexy designed female characters in their games in the years that followed.

To be clear, I think it would've eventually gone in this direction anyway, but I think Anita sped it up.
 
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Tedditalk said:
A racist just means someone who believe that one race is superior to another, usually in an innate way. A black white supremacist does not contradict this at all, and if anything it makes sense, since internalized hatred can often lead to feelings of innate inferiority.
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Oh I know it's possible but not how it's thrown around today. People who use that phrase just use it to describe someone who disagrees with them.
 
zeldaring

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Madflavor said:
I don't think you could point to one character. What I'm saying is the Tropes vs Women in Games videos she did, got far more attention than it deserved, and resulted on shining a big spotlight on the whole thing. Western Game Developers started getting more scared of having fun and sexy designed female characters in their games in the years that followed.

To be clear, I think it would've eventually gone in this direction anyway, but I think Anita sped it up.
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Honestly not fan of of that in gaming. While I'm anti woke. I always found characters like Cammy too distracting and I don't want that in gaming cause it makes me think about sex which can some times take me out of gaming mode.
 
Madflavor

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zeldaring said:
Honestly not fan of of that in gaming. While I'm anti woke. I always found characters like Cammy too distracting and I don't want that in gaming cause it makes me think about sex which can some times take me out of gaming mode.
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I can understand that mentality, but I feel like really sexy and well designed characters like SF6 Cammy are quite rare these days, that I appreciate them more when we get them. Gaming, depending on the genre, should allow for all types of characters. I don't want to live in a world where all female characters in gaming are homogenzied as a bunch of 5 or 6/10s.

People can argue overly sexualized characters have no place in gaming, but the internet collectively lost their shit over Lady Dimetrescu and SF6 Cammy.
 
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zeldaring said:
Honestly not fan of of that in gaming. While I'm anti woke. I always found characters like Cammy too distracting and I don't want that in gaming cause it makes me think about sex which can some times take me out of gaming mode.
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Ok mr.newton,
 
zeldaring

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Madflavor said:
I can understand that mentality, but I feel like really sexy and well designed characters like SF6 Cammy are quite rare these days, that I appreciate them more when we get them. Gaming, depending on the genre, should allow for all types of characters. I don't want to live in a world where all female characters in gaming are homogenzied as a bunch of 5 or 6/10s.

People can argue overly sexualized characters have no place in gaming, but the internet collectively lost their shit over Lady Dimetrescu and SF6 Cammy.
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I don't have have a big issue with it but I do find it distracting sometimes, especially since I'm in along distance relationship for 2 years now. At one point almost every female character was like porno star quality. Personally the star wars ubi game is the perfect fit for me as far female character design go, although I always rather play as a male character.
 
GetInTheRobot

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TheThreadsThatBindUs said:

Gaming was only ever a "boys club" because girls just weren't interested. That only changed largely because of Nintendo with the DS and Wii and the social gaming explosion on mobile.
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Gaming stopped being a boys club when the hobby became more accessible and less niche. I'm 29 and when I was growing up video games wasn't a boys or girls thing. It was something we all did be it Pokémon or call of duty. I wouldn't be shocked if the percentage of millennial and gen z gamers is closer to 50/50 at this point.
TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
Had they not been out here disingenuously misrepresenting games to push a false narrative, as well as falsely accusing all games and any female sexualization at all as "problematic" (meanwhile the feminist thots that follow them continue to get their tits out on Twitch streams for cash), then none of that shit would have occurred.
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Idk if you watched her videos but she never accused all games but hyper sexualization of female characters was real. The main rebuttal against her was "men are sexualized too" or "it sells" not that it wasn't true. Ew to the bold.
TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
Are there toxic elements in gaming? Sure. But there always have been and always will be. Games are effectively toys, so it stands to reason many immature people of all stripes will be attracted to the medium. But Gamergate was mostly the result of a vocal minority of privileged white liberal feminists getting rich off claiming victimhood due to a horde of online hate they received largely because they spent every waking hour fueling it with rage-bait and shouting down any and all genuine critics of their work as sexist misogynists.
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Games have evolved past the point of just being a toy and as the medium evolved so has the perspectives of who tells the story. Prior to gamergate we probably wouldn't get games like horizion fw, tlou2 or celeste...games that have a perspective that was outside of the norm prior to that era and pressure being put on the industry. Given that the sales of these games are often record breaking I wouldn't call them a minority. I think the industry is objectively better with more perspectives. I cant wait to see countries like nigeria, ghana, brazil etc all gain a footing in the industry as time goes on. Anita's main point was from a femenie perspective which the chronically online took as an attack. Most of those men evolved into the modern red pill which is more in your face about what they were preaching then.
 
phant0m

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TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
(meanwhile the feminist thots that follow them continue to get their tits out on Twitch streams for cash)
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i actually wonder if that's one of the things contributing to the exhaustion/closure of FF. she spends a decade and a half fighting against sexualization and objectification of women in gaming (in games themselves as well as the media & community around it) and what are the top female gaming streamers doing after all that? the exact thing she's been fighting against:


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obviously there's varying degrees in the examples above but at the end of they day, all of them are using their gender, sexuality, and what they'd probably call "traditional beauty standards" to attract attention and money from internet denizens.

and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. more power to all of them. but it's the complete antithesis of what Anita/FF stood for, at least in terms of sexualization.

nevermind the fact that she always wore that bright red lipstick -- a cosmetic product invented to increase attraction from men due to association with sexual arousal.
 
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zeldaring

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phant0m said:
i actually wonder if that's one of the things contributing to the exhaustion/closure of FF. she spends a decade and a half fighting against sexualization and objectification of women in gaming (in games themselves as well as the media & community around it) and what are the top female gaming streamers doing after all that? the exact thing she's been fighting against:


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obviously there's varying degrees in the examples above but at the end of they day, all of them are using their gender, sexuality, and what they'd probably call "traditional beauty standards" to attract attention and money from internet denizens.

and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. more power to all of them. but it's the complete antithesis of what Anita/FF stood for, at least in terms of sexualization.

nevermind the fact that she always wore that bright red lipstick -- a cosmetic product invented to increase attraction from men due to association with sexual arousal.
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Its crazy. seems like most hot chicks are on only fans as well these days so much money to be made. To be a hot female is such prevelage these days with all these fools throwing money at them. There also a new craze with acting like ai as well lol.
 
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Puscifer

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rofif said:
That fucking bitch essentially killed a man.
When I asked for a "fair trail and some empathy because we don't know facts and the guys is dead" I was instantly PERMA BANNED from giantbomb live chat and forums. The day GB died for me. 4 years ago
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There's a certain irony in this considering the entire point of GG was at one point trying to get Zoe Quinn to commit suicide


Also I'm pretty meh on feminist frequency, I looked her earlier videos but when people lost their collective shit over tropes vs women in video games it's hard to argue that the Internet didn't give her the ammo she needed to take shots at everyone and influence what she wanted. The video on Lego being gendered is still one of my favorites.
 
phant0m

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zeldaring said:
Its crazy. seems like most hot chicks are on only fans as well these days so much money to be made. To be a hot female is such prevelage these days with all these fools throwing money at them.
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imo that's the real feminist movement. especially since they are all self-run so anyone can do it. you said "hot" referring to traditional beauty standards but OF lets women of all shapes, sizes, colors and orientations find their fans.
 
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zeldaring

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phant0m said:
imo that's the real feminist movement. especially since they are all self-run so anyone can do it. you said "hot" referring to traditional beauty standards but OF lets women of all shapes, sizes, colors and orientations find their fans.
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True that. they can be mid and still do great especially with how many lonely guys are in america. It's like 64% men are single in America right now.
 
TheThreadsThatBindUs

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GetInTheRobot said:
Idk if you watched her videos but she never accused all games but hyper sexualization of female characters was real. The main rebuttal against her was "men are sexualized too" or "it sells" not that it wasn't true. Ew to the bold.
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I watched many of her videos and she started off quite informative and with interesting content, but later devolved to just intentionally misrepresenting games to push a narrative.

She would constantly fling shit and Japanese games that intentionally sexualized female characters for the titillation of their audience, like DOA: Beach Volleyball, and frame them as if a) all games were doing a similar thing, while b) completely ignoring the fact that titles like DOA are not only few and far between, but designed specifically that way to pander to their intended audience... and there's nothing fucking wrong with that.

Her work started as an informative highlighting of common tropes used in video games and eventually twisted into an agenda-driven propagandizing of the extreme idea that any sexualization of women in games at all is morally wrong and somehow problematic. It was disingenuous and wholly transparent.
 
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GetInTheRobot

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TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
I watched many of her videos and she started off quite informative and with interesting content, but later devolved to just intentionally misrepresenting games to push a narrative.

She would constantly fling shit and Japanese games that intentionally sexualized female characters for the titillation of their audience, like DOA: Beach Volleyball, and frame them as if a) all games were doing a similar thing, while b) completely ignoring the fact that titles like DOA are not only few and far between, but designed specifically that way to pander to their intended audience... and there's nothing fucking wrong with that.

Her work started as an informative highlighting of common tropes used in video games and eventually twisted into an agenda-driven propagandizing of the extreme idea that any sexualization of women in games at all is morally wrong and somehow problematic. It was disingenuous and wholly transparent.
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I never said she was perfect, but I think her essentially be the catalyst to a major change did more good than what the opposition claimed would happen to the industry had people listened to her. Most of those people who were in starch opposition are just red pilers now while she had an impact on the industry as far as the kinds of characters we've gotten since then. Sadly she will always be a charaitcure to people who were way to tuned into the discourse at the time. I think people who learn about it in hindsight are far more charitable.
 
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I was instantly banned on here because i watched a few of her critiques and thought they were shallow since it was obvious she wasn't playing any of the games in her videos or had much interest in them

I didn't said anything offensive,or even meant to ,they had the right for these discussions but i barely wrote something like 'seems Anita didn't played the full game because x,y and so ' and that was it💀in message they told me to never do that again

That was the last and only time i approached an Anita Sarkeesian thread ⚠️
 
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DrFigs

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I do remember how much she made people seethe back in the day. Idk how to feel about her work. I think she's not really had much of an impact. her criticisms were pretty shallow to begin with and i feel like a lot of sexist tropes were already on their way out by the time she started speaking up about them. but we do have all these ugly women in games now? 🤔 so idk. i'm just going to assume this is something she wanted.
 
Pasta la Vista

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Wow, it's been a long time since I heard about this shit. Thought it was long dead before.
What a completely useless and pathetic existence.
 
Doomtrain

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Astral Dog said:
I was instantly banned on here because i watched a few of her critiques and thought they were shallow since it was obvious she wasn't playing any of the games in her videos or had much interest in them

I didn't said anything offensive,or even meant to ,they had the right for these discussions but i barely wrote something like 'seems Anita didn't played the full game because x,y and so ' and that was it💀in message they told me to never do that again

That was the last and only time i approached an Anita Sarkeesian thread ⚠️
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This is the thing I never understood, and this is my largest point of contention with most modern feminism. When (and how) did thinking for yourself, forming your own opinions, and being able to politely disagree with people fall out of favor?
 
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TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
I watched many of her videos and she started off quite informative and with interesting content, but later devolved to just intentionally misrepresenting games to push a narrative.

She would constantly fling shit and Japanese games that intentionally sexualized female characters for the titillation of their audience, like DOA: Beach Volleyball, and frame them as if a) all games were doing a similar thing, while b) completely ignoring the fact that titles like DOA are not only few and far between, but designed specifically that way to pander to their intended audience... and there's nothing fucking wrong with that.

Her work started as an informative highlighting of common tropes used in video games and eventually twisted into an agenda-driven propagandizing of the extreme idea that any sexualization of women in games at all is morally wrong and somehow problematic. It was disingenuous and wholly transparent.
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A balanced take. I like this post. I dont think she was entirely negative but she got in too deep on her own Kool aid i think
 
Dr.Morris79

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TGO said:
I remember replying to a thread on here when the other mods was here with one of her videos, it was the first time I saw her and I asked the simple question.
"Is she serious?"
Got a temp ban for 4 weeks I think 🤔
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I remember those days, before scrubs like me could make an account (And Virgin just would not sort my email address out and Gaf wouldnt take Gmail..)

I was a window peeper for years :messenger_tears_of_joy:

But aye, some of the stuff that went on made my bones bend. Glad it's not like that anymore.
 
BootsLoader

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Peroroncino said:



Bye Anita, thanks for playing.

I'm surprised it was still going. It was a decent idea, I even enjoyed it at first, I found the deconstruction of some of the more tired tropes interesting. But they quickly lost me by starting to misrepresent some games, and trying to portray them as misogynistic. E.g. I still remember when they were trying to spin Hitman Absolution as female murder simulator by deliberately going after some strippers (basically random NPCs) at a bar.
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Who is she? How did she change the industry?
 
captainnapalm

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She was incredibly successful - although it wasn't just her but that whole movement. Completely changed videogame characters and writing. Even in the few games that don't have overtly woke elements, her brand of feminism and progressivism still reigns. Male characters tend to be neutered, all female characters are powerful girl bosses. Video game stories don't have a single shred of danger, controversy or anything approaching messy real life. All that matters is signalling a certain brand of lame, uninteresting race and gender politics.
 
peish

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thank god square enix ignore her bullshit, tifa boobs and lady jill :messenger_smiling_hearts:

ugly chick like her just want to uglify and muscline females in games
 
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