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[Victor Omega]

The low-end hardware, no AAA 3rd support Nintendo you love or hate today, used to be ALOT worst than Microsoft in the 80s.

In the 80s, Nintendo didn't just take "saving the gaming industry" as a 1UP; they used that to control the market.

They were arrogant to developers in what and how games should run on their system and bullied retail stores in what their layout should look like to bottleneck any competitors.

They monopolize gaming or at least see it in clear view.

But if you think the Nintendo today is an old-fashioned samurai who lost to the likes of Microsoft with online games or Sony with the Playstation having dual analog, no.

Nintendo is more of an Old Yakuza boss looking down on those two today with its 30+ years of protecting its IPs (they may have lost the fight to pirating, but while Microsoft tries to get rid of console exclusives, Nintendo IPs have stood the test of gaming.) But every Yakuza boss, every Company like Nintendo, has a rival that challenges them.

Sega.

While Microsoft today cry bullies its way to power and with money, Sega went to work in the 80s by producing better games and better hardware.

They have a mascot [Mario]; we have a mascot [Sonic]; they have a Final Fantasy; we have... Phantasy Star.​

That determination stopped Nintendo's power trip from monopolizing gaming (and with the recent news that Microsoft wanted to acquire SEGA, this theory gives a possible reason why).

(I'm paraphrasing history here for a narrative discussion)

 

[Rykan]

What even is this thread?

 

[Shubh_C63]

While Microsoft today crybullies it's way to power and with money, Sega actually went to work in the 80s by producing better games and better hardware.

And better marketing.

 

[Lasha]

What even is this thread?

Some console war nonsense.

 

[mrmustard]

What even is this thread?

I put my money on residual alcohol.

 

[Victor Omega]

What even is this thread?

Some console war nonsense.

Its really not, it's how gaming works.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Damn some people really overrate Sega

 

[Victor Omega]

Damn some people really overrate Sega

Tell the to Microsoft, I'm not the one who was attempting to aquire them

 

[Silent Viper]

So i heard 90% of members who were part of Gamers Lawsuit against MS were from GAF

:O

 

[TheGreatMusashi]

 

[Hudo]

What even is this thread?

Console war shit like most other threads lately.

 

[Gobjuduck]

Oh shut up

 

[StueyDuck]

I won't bore you with old man Gaming History.

But the low end hardware, no AAA 3rd supoort Nintendo you love or hate today, use to be ALOT worst than Microsoft in the 80s.

In the 80s, Nintendo didn't just take "saving the gaming industry" as 1UP, they used that to control the market.

They were arrogant to developor in what and how games should run on their system and bullied retail stores in what their layout should look like to bottleneck any competitors.

They monopolize gaming or at least saw it in clear view.

But if you think the Nintendo today is an old fashioned samurai who lost to to the likes of Microsoft with online games or Sony with the Playstation having dual analog, no.

Nintendo is more of a Old Yakuza boss looking down on those two today with it 30+ years of protecting is IPs (they may have lost the fight to pirating but while Microsoft tries to get rid of console exclusive, Nintendo IPs have stand the test of gaming.) But every Yazua boss, every Company like Nintendo has a rival that challenges them.

Sega

While Microsoft today crybullies it's way to power and with money, Sega actually went to work in the 80s by producing better games and better hardware.

"they have a mascot, we have a macsot, they have final fantasy, we have Phantasy star"

It's that determination that stopped Nintendos power trip to monopolizing gaming. (and with recent news that Microsoft actually wanted to aquire SEGA, this theory gives a possible reason why)

(I'm paraphrasing history here for a narrative discussion)

But none of this is what happened apart from Sega wanting to compete.

Nintendo essentially started with curating their catalog because that was their market strategy. The put limitations to their carts and they entered the market by creating themselves (not buying publishers) the best games. Were games being licensed? Yes, but remember at the time the arcade industry was far larger than home console market and alot of licensing deals were a byproduct of how arcades operated at the time, Nintendo cleverly operated purely in homeconsole licensing.

Sega had a much larger dominance in that arcade space then Nintendo had, also Nintendo was open back in the day to certain 3rd party agreements, many Mario games appeared on other platforms, only after the botched Panasonic 3do and Sony-nes deals did they really tighten their IPs down solid.

And I'm guessing the overall point of this thread is to console war and say "consolidation is great MS should own all of gaming, look at sonic"

To which I'd respond with; look at Sega then and look at Sega now. Look at sonic then and look at sonic now.

I'd also have to mention that games back then were not 200 million dollars to create and weren't taking 6 years with 1000s of employees to make, saying today "just make a new call of duty ip" is ridiculous, and we all know it, those who argue against that are doing so in bad faith.

Finally Sega killed themselves, these modern takes that Sony or Nintendo killed them are embarrassing. they had a hard headed jpn leadership that refused to grow and adapt to the times, they farted out the dreamcast, devouring their recently released Saturn sales and Peter Moore ended up leaving Sega US because the decisions being made were pushing Sega into the black.

Guess where Peter Moore went after Sega collapsed .

 

[supernova8]

I won't bore you with old man Gaming History.

*proceeds to bore me with old man gaming history*

 

[mansoor1980]

i miss sega consoles , also great thread OP

 

[GigaBowser]

It is true that Nintendos used to be Yakuza but thats kind of cools to me I dunno

 

[NeverYouMind]

*proceeds to bore me with old man gaming history*

x = 5/sin(pi/6)
What do I win?

P.S. Sega without arcade games is like Nintendo without a portable handheld. A fish out of water.

 

[StueyDuck]

It is true that Nintendos used to be Yakuza but thats kind of cools to me I dunno

Well they were threatened by the yakuza and forced to work with them.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I am confused...

 

[darrylgorn]

 

[Unknown?]

A bunch of warriors here disagreeing with history. Lmao! /s

 

[deriks]

Dude, there's a difference between "I want to be big" and monopoly. First one is how capitalism works, and how it's fine because we use their shit on a everyday level. The other one doesn't really exist at least for now, but some countries don't really care about that and pretends that care, like China

 

[ManaByte]

I won't bore you with old man Gaming History.

But the low end hardware, no AAA 3rd supoort Nintendo you love or hate today, use to be ALOT worst than Microsoft in the 80s.

In the 80s, Nintendo didn't just take "saving the gaming industry" as 1UP, they used that to control the market.

They were arrogant to developor in what and how games should run on their system and bullied retail stores in what their layout should look like to bottleneck any competitors.

They monopolize gaming or at least saw it in clear view.

But if you think the Nintendo today is an old fashioned samurai who lost to to the likes of Microsoft with online games or Sony with the Playstation having dual analog, no.

Nintendo is more of a Old Yakuza boss looking down on those two today with it 30+ years of protecting is IPs (they may have lost the fight to pirating but while Microsoft tries to get rid of console exclusive, Nintendo IPs have stand the test of gaming.) But every Yazua boss, every Company like Nintendo has a rival that challenges them.

Sega

While Microsoft today crybullies it's way to power and with money, Sega actually went to work in the 80s by producing better games and better hardware.

"they have a mascot, we have a macsot, they have final fantasy, we have Phantasy star"

It's that determination that stopped Nintendos power trip to monopolizing gaming. (and with recent news that Microsoft actually wanted to aquire SEGA, this theory gives a possible reason why)

(I'm paraphrasing history here for a narrative discussion)

Publishers called Hiroshi Yamauchi “Hitler”. That’s how much they loved the Nintendo monopoly of software in the late 80s.

 

[LakeOf9]

Some people really hate Nintendo I guess

 

[Three]

Nintendo back in the 80/90s strong armed literally everybody, developers into using their factories, stores into using their prices. They have a better image now but when they had that power back then they abused it

The People Versus Mario: The FTC's forgotten investigation into Nintendo

From the late ’80s to the early ’90s, Nintendo dominated the video game market with its now-iconic console, the Nintendo Entertainment System. Nintendo’s incredible success earned it the ire of competitors, legislators, and regulators who believed the company built its business on unfair - and...

www.muckrock.com

 

[Victor Omega]

Nintendo back in the 80/90s strong armed literally everybody, developers into using their factories, stores into using their prices. They have a better image now but when they had that power back then they abused it

The People Versus Mario: The FTC's forgotten investigation into Nintendo

From the late ’80s to the early ’90s, Nintendo dominated the video game market with its now-iconic console, the Nintendo Entertainment System. Nintendo’s incredible success earned it the ire of competitors, legislators, and regulators who believed the company built its business on unfair - and...

www.muckrock.com

People shout console war to any comparison between these companies.

 

[BootsLoader]

What is this thread about?

 

[mansoor1980]

What is this thread about?

"With great power comes great responsibility"

 

[BootsLoader]

"With great power comes great responsibility"

Thank you kind sir. Have a great day!

 

[darrylgorn]

What is this thread about?

Old man yells at cloud.

 

[SteadyEvo]

Damn some people really overrate Sega

Shenmue was the ish back in the day. Of course it hasn’t aged well. Crazy Taxi, ready 2 rumble boxing, power stone and sonic adventure were amazing. But that was back in the Dreamcast days. Sonic is a shell of its former self. Where Virtual Fighter? All I think about it Yakuza when I think Sega nowadays.

 

[radewagon]

"With great power comes great responsibility"

 

[gothmog]

So #NintendoToo?

 

[blacktout]

I put my money on residual alcohol.

Someone got an early start on their holiday weekend.

 

[Js562]

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I think OP was saying that Sony should create a new Phantasy Star game in order to prevent Microsoft from gaining too much power.

 

[EverydayBeast]

I’d love to see Microsoft #1 but clearly they can’t, they sent bungie to hell, has issues with exclusives, and something about their hardware people don’t like. Hopefully they start to figure it out, because you could make the argument that Microsoft could be #1.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

They were arrogant to developor in what and how games should run on their system and bullied retail stores in what their layout should look like to bottleneck any competitors.

the video game crash of the 70s was still fresh in everyone's minds, and was due in large part to absolute shit game quality. nintendo didnt want a repeat.
'member this?

sega did it too:

nintendo also demanded the the highest software royalties from third parties.

this really helped sony when they came along with the ps1, as sony demanded far lower royalties and discs were way cheaper to produce.

but yeah, nintendo was the king back then, and it had no problem throwing around its weight.
the console wars never stopped.

 

[Ristifer]

Microsoft bad.

Ad nauseam.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Is that avatar some simp shit, or what?

 

[BootsLoader]

Old man yells at cloud.

Thank you also kind sir. Would you like a cup of tea?

 

[GigaBowser]

Yakuza era Nintendos

 

[Fuz]

And let's hope they keep failing or they will destroy the gaming landscape.

 

[theclaw135]

What is this thread about?

You had to be there. Nintendo rebuilt the American gaming market, into a form of dominance essentially incomprehensible to modern audiences. At the peak in 1988/1989, Nintendo controlled upwards of 80% of all video games sold in the USA (although only consoles crashed, the arcade golden age was over, and for home computers the decade was a tumultuous series of "format wars").

 

[Doom85]

What is this thread about?

Control. Power. Monopoly.

Yeah, I have no idea what a Remedy Entertainment game, a anime lady, and a classic board game all have in common. OP must be on something.

 

[aries_71]

What even is this thread?

It’s war. War never changes.

 

[BootsLoader]

You had to be there. Nintendo rebuilt the American gaming market, into a form of dominance essentially incomprehensible to modern audiences. At the peak in 1988/1989, Nintendo controlled upwards of 80% of all video games sold in the USA (although only consoles crashed, the arcade golden age was over, and for home computers the decade was a tumultuous series of "format wars").

Thank you kind sir. I was born in 1990 so I missed that.

 

[Drell]

while Microsoft tries to get rid of console exclusives

By buying big publishers?

I mean what you said is true, Nintendo abused of its dominant position in the late 80's but they didn't have the money to buy the industry just like MS is trying to do right now. They may have been as bad as them but they didn't and don't have, today, the means to hurt the competition as much as Microsoft can and want to these days.

 

[RayBoy]

 

[German Hops]

Likening Nintendo to the Yakuza is pretty fair, in my opinion.