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DF: Metal Gear Solid 4 Revisited at 4K 60FPS! Today's Emulation, Tomorrow's Remaster?
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nominedomine
Banned
One last job Konami, before you are gone forever, put this on PS5/Series X to troll Sony.
edit: Dude should've used a more realistic PC configuration, closer to the hardware most people are likely to have.
edit: Dude should've used a more realistic PC configuration, closer to the hardware most people are likely to have.
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DevilMayFlyForAWhiteGuy
Member
Several months back I was looking through storage and found my old copies of MGS4 and Dead or Alive 4. I was able to pop the latter into the SX and play it within 10 minutes. It would be great if I could do the same with the former on a PS4/5.
That being said if Konami didn’t suck, the least they could do is make a more complete MGS collection that includes original MGS and Twin Snakes, as well as 4 on modern platforms.
That being said if Konami didn’t suck, the least they could do is make a more complete MGS collection that includes original MGS and Twin Snakes, as well as 4 on modern platforms.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
You can only wish they made remasters like this...
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think the licensing for all the product placements Kojima wanted in the game are the main reason we haven't seen a remaster for the game yet.
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
Always doing these tests with the most powerful hardware they have available.
They should always also use a more midrange rig.
Anyway, good times.
Makes me remember an Xbox 360 dedicated site that did a review of the game at launch just to shit on the PS3, saying that it should had been done to the Xbox because it was a "slide show" on the PS3.
They should always also use a more midrange rig.
Anyway, good times.
Makes me remember an Xbox 360 dedicated site that did a review of the game at launch just to shit on the PS3, saying that it should had been done to the Xbox because it was a "slide show" on the PS3.
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Badlucktroll
Member
Sony should emulate a couple of ps3 hits for ps5. not that smoky lookin ps now stream
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I powered through demon's souls with an FX 6300... This is pristine emulation in my eyes
Yep. Such a stupid move. The game feels like an ad for apple/sony and the PS3 in particular. Some of the dialog from otacon highlighting the tech on the PS3 is downright cringeworthy... specially when even in 2008 we knew the console was trash.
Yep. Such a stupid move. The game feels like an ad for apple/sony and the PS3 in particular. Some of the dialog from otacon highlighting the tech on the PS3 is downright cringeworthy... specially when even in 2008 we knew the console was trash.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
RPCS3 has come such a long way.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
POWER OF THE CELL
Badlucktroll
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AndrewRyan
Member
Looks incredible. Makes me happy knowing all the PS3 games will be preserved in this way. Can't wait to replay MGS4 again with some control and texture mods.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
They went balls out when P5 released.
SafeOrAlone
Banned
Since I haven't had access to this game in so long, it has sort of cemented itself within a certain period of time, in my memory. I think playing it again is going to make me feel really nostalgic for that 2009/2010 era.
assurdum
Banned
PS3 had many bottlenecks for sure but call the hardware trash is purely trolling.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I don't know man, emulating a game at native 4k sounds really expensive.
It seems really well optimized and looks like it has come a long way. Maybe it's time to revisit some PS3 classics.
nominedomine
Banned
Why does it need to be native 4K?
1080p is more than fine for a PS3 game. 4K isn't going to magically improve the textures and details of the game.
Doesn't even need to be 60fps, whatever makes the game availiable without requiring a PS3.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Yeah but the video shows it at 4K, that's why I mentioned that.
And yeah it might not look much, much better, but the increase in resolution is still a noticeable improvement imo.
Honestly if it were me I'd play it at 1440p, that res is my sweet spot for performance/graphical fidelity.
SCB3
Member
They were just pushing it to that limit that’s all
DryvBy
Member
There's a PC version. Seems like that would be the way to go. It's on GOG too.
www.gog.com
METAL GEAR SOLID
You are Snake, a government agent on a mission to regain control of a secret nuclear weap
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
PC stands for game preservation.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Yeah totally, it's the Bloodborne of the PS3.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
There's a PC version. Seems like that would be the way to go. It's on GOG too.
METAL GEAR SOLID
You are Snake, a government agent on a mission to regain control of a secret nuclear weap
I'm pretty sure Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 4 are not the same game.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Gamers are angry that MGS4 is stuck in PS3
I got the impression that the video was somewhat discouraging for people looking to try the emulator for the first time. Specially due to 3 things in particular.
- DF folks are extremely nitpicky (that's all right, its their job after all)
- The game ran on an absolute beast of a gaming rig
- They were aiming for a 60 FPS experience in a game that was far from hitting 30 in native HW
My experience with RPCS3 shows me that there is a whole batch of games that are perfectly playable even with low end PC HW. Games not available on PC which should be the main target of the emulator anyway :Odin Sphere, Dragon's Crown, PSN titles like Hard Corps uprising, Fighting games like VF5. Silent Hill Downpour. And the elephant in the room... Demons Souls.
GPU wise, any low end/mainstream GPU like a GTX 970 or RX 570 should be able to run 3D games at 1440p or even 4k. So even a 750ti should have no issues at 1080p. Some games may not scale well beyond native 720p resolution anyway. But to give you an idea my RX 580 is barely stressed when running Demons souls in 4k.
CPU wise i'd say that if you have something like an I7 2600k and up, go ahead and give the emulator a try. 30 FPS with significant drops is how most of the AAA 7th gen console games used to run, so keep that in mind when running the emulator.
- DF folks are extremely nitpicky (that's all right, its their job after all)
- The game ran on an absolute beast of a gaming rig
- They were aiming for a 60 FPS experience in a game that was far from hitting 30 in native HW
My experience with RPCS3 shows me that there is a whole batch of games that are perfectly playable even with low end PC HW. Games not available on PC which should be the main target of the emulator anyway :Odin Sphere, Dragon's Crown, PSN titles like Hard Corps uprising, Fighting games like VF5. Silent Hill Downpour. And the elephant in the room... Demons Souls.
GPU wise, any low end/mainstream GPU like a GTX 970 or RX 570 should be able to run 3D games at 1440p or even 4k. So even a 750ti should have no issues at 1080p. Some games may not scale well beyond native 720p resolution anyway. But to give you an idea my RX 580 is barely stressed when running Demons souls in 4k.
CPU wise i'd say that if you have something like an I7 2600k and up, go ahead and give the emulator a try. 30 FPS with significant drops is how most of the AAA 7th gen console games used to run, so keep that in mind when running the emulator.
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Epic Sax CEO
Banned
I think the main reason we haven’t seen a remaster is because Konami lol
No, because all others received ports.
What MGS4 has of different from all others? Sony's money.
I disagree with John that PS3 emulation is not possible on PS5.
Yes, the CPU there could be a bit better (those botched FPUs probably hurt's a bit), but I already seen plenty of videos on youtube with people playing PS3 at acceptable speeds on Zen 2 APUs.
It's just a matter of Sony wanting it or not, they have all the documentation, knowledge and experienced people to solve all problems that these emulator developers have to guess to overcome.
cartman414
Member
Sony's real fault in this was making the PS3 so damned complex.
Hoddi
Member
Emulation is generally very easy on the GPU. I can't speak for MGS4 but most games from the PS360 era can easily run at 8k with modern graphics hardware. Running them at 4k usually only needs a GTX 1060 or so which is broadly equivalent to the Series S GPU.
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kunonabi
Member
Nothing about it aged well really.
sachos
Member
From the article on Eurogamer he says "And there are some titles that barely touched the SPUs, so they already run well - Demon's Souls is the poster child, and Ridge Racer 7 is another. But this is the fundamental challenge facing any official PS3 emulator from Sony, targeting PS5 - emulation of the Cell remains extremely challenging and certainly based on the RPCS3 right now, it's beyond the Zen2 CPU power of the current-gen consoles."
I get what he is saying but i think they should have tested a bunch of the games listed as "Playable" on the RPCS3 compatibility list. The PS5 CPU is around Ryzen 5 3600 right? That CPU is enough to play a big portion of that list im pretty sure. I don't ask for 100% compatibility for PS3 BC, but i think if they can reach 50% it would be a good start, its not like the Xbox Series reached full 100% BC with 360 and OG Xbox games.
They should really test the "Playable" games with PS5 like hardware, to really see if it would be as difficult as they claim, otherwise i think testing one of the HARDEST games to emulate paints only half the picture.
I get what he is saying but i think they should have tested a bunch of the games listed as "Playable" on the RPCS3 compatibility list. The PS5 CPU is around Ryzen 5 3600 right? That CPU is enough to play a big portion of that list im pretty sure. I don't ask for 100% compatibility for PS3 BC, but i think if they can reach 50% it would be a good start, its not like the Xbox Series reached full 100% BC with 360 and OG Xbox games.
They should really test the "Playable" games with PS5 like hardware, to really see if it would be as difficult as they claim, otherwise i think testing one of the HARDEST games to emulate paints only half the picture.
Grildon Tundy
Gold Member
This is regarding MGS4, not MGS.There's a PC version. Seems like that would be the way to go. It's on GOG too.
METAL GEAR SOLID
You are Snake, a government agent on a mission to regain control of a secret nuclear weap
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
yeaah ... a lot of things didn't age well a week after the release lol.
the whole beauty and the beast crew, aka Kojima making supermodels wear skin tight leather outfits to mo-cap in his studios, the whole monkey/drebin deal, the fact that you have to sit for 5~10 minute long cut-scenes to be able to play 5 minutes of game play etc etc etc.
MGS4, in my humble opinion, is the worst of the mainline MGS games (incl. Peace Walker).
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AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Still my favourite MGS. Its bat shit crazy, looked amazing for its day and even now..still looks good. I never had a problem with cutscene length because almost every second of that game is pure nerdgasm and badassery....minus the guy taking shits every chapter.
Dr.D00p
Gold Member
Nothing about any Kojima game ages well.
As games, They're all pretty much appalling, from an actual gameplay experience.
He should have just become a movie director like he obviously wanted to be, which would have given him the creative freedom to unleash his musings on the World, instead of inflicting his bizarre ramblings in a seemingly never ending, weird ass cut scenes.
ZywyPL
Banned
Truth be told those textures were god-awful on the launch day already. If only there was some sort of mod support in RPCS3 someone would most likely create a HD Texture Pack that would make all the difference. As a matter of fact, many PS3 games only need better textures and 4K60 performance to be still very viable today.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
The specs required on PC are massive, even counting the “console efficiency” factor how far are we from using PS5 like HW to achieve similar results? Remasters for some games and 1080p original framerate emulation may still be the only achievable target, but maybe I am wrong. Hopefully very much so.
While RSX is not as well documented, CELL is. Tons of PDF’s are available and there are cycle accurate simulators available too, so not only the few systems that still have OtherOS available.
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The original still crashes a lot and has some issues but Pacific Rift and Apocalypse run fine.
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