What's with the inaccurate RAM amounts?According to these number it is:
AMD Xbox Series X GPU Specs
AMD Scarlett, 1825 MHz, 3328 Cores, 208 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 10240 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 320 bitwww.techpowerup.com
AMD Playstation 5 GPU Specs
AMD Oberon, 2233 MHz, 2304 Cores, 144 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bitwww.techpowerup.com
And for consistency, probably best we mention the PS5 has a 22% advantage on fill-rate.According to these number it is:
AMD Xbox Series X GPU Specs
AMD Scarlett, 1825 MHz, 3328 Cores, 208 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 10240 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 320 bitAMD Playstation 5 GPU Specs
AMD Oberon, 2233 MHz, 2304 Cores, 144 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bit
This is a very incomplete and basic listing with only one GPU metric where PS5 is shown to be ahead of XSX this being the pixel fillrate while omitting others as relevant to game performance such as geometry throughput, culling rate, shared L1 cache amount/bandwidth available per CU, number of depth ROPs (twice as much on PS5), ACEs/schedulers and architectural differences like Cache Scrubbers. Also, the 336 GB/s of lower VRAM bandwidth for remaining 3 GB pool (which is/can still be GPU memory whose access can impact the fast pool) on XSX is nowhere to be found. To be fair even a basic knowledge about the base GPU architectures is enough to deduce most of it from the 2233 MHz of frequency compared to 1825 MHz. It seems that you are stuck at 2020 about the matter.According to these number it is:
AMD Xbox Series X GPU Specs
AMD Scarlett, 1825 MHz, 3328 Cores, 208 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 10240 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 320 bitAMD Playstation 5 GPU Specs
AMD Oberon, 2233 MHz, 2304 Cores, 144 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bit
it wasn't until this generation when I learned teraflops isn't the only metric to look at on a gpu and even if the tf number is high is it being bottlenecked by something else 
it's interesting seeing the different customizations these two come up with and the PR accompanying these decisions.
Maybe it's a warning shot to ms to renew the site sponsorship.
No.I am talking about both of them. At the same time. But mostly about the S. I can't dissociate one from the other, because as MS intended, they are both one family of consoles. They are both one platform.
Ok, but I mean, none of these consoles have any issue achieving 4K60 in terms of raw fillrate. What causes them to not reach that most of the time (natively) is that it takes too long to calculate the color value of each pixel, and that does have a lot to do with TFLOPS.
Oh, boy
Fuck. I'm out.
Mr.Phoenix
, if you think the XSX is out of touch with the current console market. If that's the case, well you know what that says about the PS5. The entire system is not just the SoC though. Anyways, for a system like this $10 more is quite a bit if you think about profit margins.
I don't know what to tell you @
Sony and MS released $500 consoles (the disk drive models) at launch and both boxes perform similarly to each other. If MS needs a couple more TF to make that happen due to differences in the way the APIs and SDKs are structured, it was smart for them to pick those up in the spec. With the specs they chose they can reach performance parity (often they do get a 15-20% edge in resolution which is all the GPU difference amounts to, by the way) and still get the long-term benefits that their more hardware agnostic API approach provides. Mission accomplished.
DenchDeckard
, those are very good points as well. The fact that they were able to create systems as compact and efficient as they are is impressive.
I think both the X1X and Series X are brilliant consoles hardware wise. Especially the XSX. Its silent and compact whilst being very capable relatively performance wise. On the downside, things like the new UI, storage expansion options, parity feature requirement with Series S and a long list of things I'm despising within the MS/Xbox management team. But the XSX hardware itself, I think generally excellent.
I fell for it as well. But I think when you see a figure like 12 teraflops you also assume that the rest of the console is designed to actually utilise and take advantage of the full power of the gpu. But yeah, next time I won’t put too much credence in these figures. Best to wait for actual game benchmarks.Hey man I fell for it
Among others not mentioned here and PS5's 122% depth ROP advantage withstanding to due to 256 vs 128 (XSX) split in hardware on that front. Altogether with them operating within higher L1 cache bandwidth on PS5 with less CUs fighting for bandwidth real world difference in matter of fill rate can be substantially greater than 22%.
Interesting. Thank you for the explanation.
To this specifically I have a feeling both GOW Rag and Horizon FW were supposed to come out earlier than they did and be cross gen regardless but covid pushed it back and ND literally released TLOU2 months before PS5 came out I believe. Will be cool to see the new IP from Santa Monica and hopefully ND unless its just another TLOU which would be a bummer
You are deluded if you think the XsX technical design is more efficient.
The parts and cooler aren't suited to a £500 console that will eventually sell at a good profit. PlayStation have driven down the costs that they've been making money on the hardware for at least 18months. A vapour chamber is effectively an expensive sledgehammer, especially for an APU with poor CU arrangement and completely odd and inefficient memory setup,, and it doesn't even have a hot and high bandwidth IO complex in there needing cooled, either.
All their games are on PC day 1 for "power" and they already have 2 different consoles in the S and X... I just dont see why they would even care to make a pro when alot of those gamers prob just bought a PC. As is, the S is prob the Majority console I imagine, at best its like 50/50 with the X
It just goes to show that they don’t prioritize console properly.
Dude they can release shit hardware and release wolverine tlou3 Spiderman 2 etc and it will sell like hot cakes.
What he meant by that was that the hardware is almost perfectly balanced. A chain is only so strong as it's weakest link. I think all consoles of the past has had some kind of bottleneck somewhere in the design. I'm not saying the PS5 is perfect, but they certainly designed a well rounded console where the sum of it's parts punches above it's weight.
