That's somewhat fair. I might've generalized a bit too much in my post. That out of the way, this new show is just not good. I could go into my reasons for disliking it but, ultimately, it won't matter because any criticisms I would give it would be met with me being labelled a sexist. Regardless of how much I have liked women-led action shows in the past.
Yep, that "anti woke" stuff can be a bit much at times.
That's because people like you are completely agenda driven and thus it's hard for anyone to actually give you the benefit of the doubt and take your opinion seriously.
Nah, I think it because people like you are alwasy generalizing and love to beat on strawmen in forum threads about shows for children.
Nah, I think it because people like you are alwasy generalizing and love to beat on strawmen in forum threads about shows for children.
The anti-woke-brigade is getting a bit tiresome imo.
Really? Old "non-woke" movies and tv series haven't been banned or anything and are still freely available in more ways than I can count. The way I see it: if "get woke, go broke" is indeed valid and not just a fantasy entertained by the anti-woke-brigade, we will see very different movies shortly. In the end movie studios love money over everything else and if "un-woking" pays the bills that's what's going to happen. Why do you think e.g. the last couple Michael Bay Transformers movies so blatantly catered to the Chinese market? I doubt it's because Michael Bay suddenly read the teachings of chairman Mao, but because he read sales predictions.
Orange Cyberman bad!
At least in Doctor Who's case the BBC have been very clear in their not caring about how unpopular the show is, and the Head of Drama there is quite vocal in her opinion that espoising their beliefs is more important than making good entertainment or catering to a wide audience.
Not all the potential was explored yet.
Scottish is British
I liked Capaldi because he plays a more crotchety, more alien, alien. He's bloody brilliant, though let down by awful material. He single-handedly kept it going for me.
Scottish is British
David Tennant is also Scottish. He just didn't do the accent.
This season was pretty strong. Much better than last year. Did you watch this whole season?
Its like watching your best friend suddenly succumb to a horrible illness. Like I half feel we need to kill this show to put it out of its missery, thats how bad the last 2 seasons have been. Kill it, burry it, and in 15 years revive it again with a competent show runner who can somehow make the last 2 seasons some form of horrible timey wimey mistake that the 14th Doctor has to correct. I dont care what geneder, color or species the doctor is,a good writer would make it all work amazingly well, this show has been destroyed by its writing staff.
If you want to know, well someone has written a nice summary of the 10th episode 'The Timeless Child' at Kiwi Farms. I haven't watched it yet myself, but after reading this I'm so glad I didn't. Words cannot describe what a clusterfuck it's become. Here we go:
You know, I was on board with Jodie Whitaker as the Doctor. I really liked Michelle Gomez as Missy/The Master so having the Doctor become a woman should have been a goldmine for new stories and perspectives while keeping in tune with the shows themes and history.
I liked John Hurt, but I do agree his War Doctor was unnecessary. He was only shoehorned in because Christopher Eccleston refused to return as the Ninth Doctor for the 50th anniversary special.
This absolutely. Which is why I feel like David Tennant is my favorite of the new doctors. So many of the episodes he was in were pure "monster of the week" type episodes, but some of them were absolutely phenomenal such as Blink and Silence in the Library. Over and above that Tennant absolutely nailed the brooding lethargy that comes with immortality, then shined even brighter when he was able to use his powers for good and help people. His Voyage of the Damned Christmas episode I felt was probably the pinnacle of new Doctor Who, in that it was super duper cheesy (robot angel looking dudes, the spaceship Titanic, Kylie Minogue as the temporary companion) but the Doctor gets put into an impossible circumstance and comes into his own
I literally have no idea what any of this meant, or why it was particularly good or bad. Except for the Cybertimelords that can regenerate and die with a last-minute asspull, that sounds like Warhammer 40K Necrons to me. But wasn't Doctor Who always filled with retcons and deus ex machina bullshit every time writers backed themselves into a corner? I think I better get out of this thread, this is beyond my ability to understand this franchise.If you want to know, well someone has written a nice summary of the 10th episode 'The Timeless Child' at Kiwi Farms. I haven't watched it yet myself, but after reading this I'm so glad I didn't. Words cannot describe what a clusterfuck it's become. Here we go:
I'm going to spoil the hell out of this so you've been warned.
Jesus CHRIST, I just skimmed the last episode (didn't care about the cybermen plot). Turns out I was right.
Chibnall just killed Doctor Who.
It was way worse than I thought. Honestly, if the fandom doesn't get their pitchforks for this... You can say the world has officially gone mad.
Chibnall retconned Doctor who in a way even Moffat wouldn't dare. Chibnall is officially the worst thing that has happened to Doctor Who. I can't stress that enough. It's worse than The doctor being half-human
Long story short: The doctor is actually an alien from another universe that was found abandoned below a portal to another universe on another planet that isn't Gallifrey.
The first doctor was not Hartnell but in fact, a black girl, also known as the timeless child. She was adopted by a Gallifreyan woman that also happened to be the first woman to travel with space ships and found her while exploring another planet (the show shills how smart the first Gallifreyan space explorer was btw for obvious reasons).
(That's the first incarnation of the doctor btw)
The black girl (aka the doctor), died falling from a cliff and regenerated into another girl. Her mother discovered The doctor could regenerate infinitely and experimented on her triggering several regenerations in the process.
Once she was an old woman, the doctor's adoptive mother then reverse-engineered regeneration from the doctor and turned into a black man (yes really) and timelord society then injected the ability to themselves limited to 12 times.
But that' s not all.
Turns out that before Hartnell, the doctor spent several lives/incarnations working for a super-secret Time Lord agency dedicated to meddling with history. The agency then erased the doctor's memories of his time in this agency, Meaning Ruth and many other pre-Hartnell doctors are running around, but the doctor doesn't remember she was Ruth, or other incarnations, because of that mind wipe.
Someone erased the evidence of how many incarnations existed pre-Hartnell. But the show makes it clear they were a lot. She did spend time with the master and the academy but that wasn't the doctor's first life
Oh, and the master used the corpses of all the timelords to create some Cybertimelords that can regenerate and die with a last-minute asspull.
Yes, it's bad as it sounds. Doctor Who managed to become even more woke than before. In fact, I think it out-wokes Star Wars and Star Trek. At this point nothing, but a hard retcon could save this show.
I would take any Clara shilling episode over this. I miss Moffat so much...
So there you have it. It's too early to tell but I'm afraid Chris Chibnall may have destroyed Doctor Who. Who knows what happens from here on out. But I'm hoping the show gets canceled and the BBC do a soft reboot and forget this disaster ever happened. But given how they've doubled down on being woke lately I don't see it happening.
