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Doomed: How Id Lost its Crown.
- Thread starter Afro Thunder
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Gotta agree with that article. When UE3 was first unveiled, I was like, "that looks sweet....I can't wait to see what Carmack does with his next engine." Now I'm like, "Doom? They still make that?" :lol John Carmack is still far and away my favorite PC dev guy, but iD seems to have fallen off in a big way. Hope they can recoup, but Quack4 looks like more of the same. I'm not brimming with optimism. PEACE.
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iD fall off track once John thought about go to space. The way Epic has surpassed them, it's apparent he fulfilled his mission because his head is still stuck there
Pimpwerx said:
ID isn't really involved in Quake 4. Despite a lot of bitching, Doom 3 is still pretty much the best-looking game out there right now (right up there with Far Cry and Half-Life 2). Sure, coming games are going to surpass it, but it's still good for what it does. Carmack is the master of game engines for corridor shooters. The reality is that the genre has fallen out of favor as much as anything.
Cerebral Palsy
Banned
id went downhill after QuakeII. Though nothing beats the masterpiece that is Quake, QuakeII was still an excellent title.
QuakeIII was horrible, and DoomIII was a borefest. I haven't bought an id game since QuakeII.
QuakeIII was horrible, and DoomIII was a borefest. I haven't bought an id game since QuakeII.
Oracle Dragon
Member
Man, I don't get all the id hate out there. I mean they have made one "dud" game (for them), and suddenly they are toppled? Only produce garbage? You don't have high expectations for any future games from them?
I mean, yeah, Doom 3 isn't id's best game. But even if you consider it their worst, its still a damn sight better than a lot of other games out there. It was still a GOOD game. It just wasn't the second coming, which is what everyone expected it would be.
I mean, yeah, Doom 3 isn't id's best game. But even if you consider it their worst, its still a damn sight better than a lot of other games out there. It was still a GOOD game. It just wasn't the second coming, which is what everyone expected it would be.
Cerebral Palsy
Banned
Quake4? Pfffft. Raven needs to make a new Soldier of Fortune. SoF2 multiplayer was/is excellent.
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Cerebral Palsy said:
Pretty much how i feel. The fact that the single player for doom 3 sucked didnt bother me, it was the fact that MP was a freagin mess. DIdnt like quake 3..it just didnt feel right...why the fuck did they change the rail gun?!?!
If Quake IV is Quake III on a Doom engine it more than makes up for the borefest that was Doom III. However if it's not, I haven't completely lost faith, these guys have talent and that's been proven. And with next gen around the corner, I'm faithful that they will pull out a good next gen engine and blow us all away.
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PEACE
Late Stage Marxist
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I love everything Doom. The original Doom is still the best. The Doom 3 engine remake kicks all kinds of ass and I strongly encourage anyone with a copy of Doom 3 to fire it up:
http://cdoom.d3files.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=773
http://cdoom.d3files.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=773
Comfort_Eagle
Banned
Doom has always sucked....at least to me.
W O WCerebral Palsy said:
How on earth can anyone possible badmouth Q3A? Best Quake game, hands down. Sorry, this is now part of the American History curriculum for almost every school. Q3A was a close to perfect for DM as any game has come. On other fronts....yeah, it kinda sucked. Single player was just a fucking botfest. PEACE.
Cerebral Palsy
Banned
SomeDude said:
Quake: Team Fortress, and Threewave CTF (two of the best mods ever). Quake DM, CTF/TF had some of the best designed, and most memorable maps ever in a FPS. Great weapons, even if they weren't balanced.
Quake II: Again, Threewave CTF. Same with Quake1 in the map department. Memorable across the board. Also added my favorite FPS weapon ever, the railgun (why did they have to ruin it, and every other weapon in QIII?).
^^^ That is why. Both had excellent communities surrounding them also. The only game since QuakeII I've put a good amount of time into has been Soldier of Fortune2, which had excellent multiplayer. Much better than Counter-Strike IMO. The Unreal Tournaments haven't held my attention, neither have the Battlefields. Half-Life2 has brought nothing new to the table multiplayer wise, and I'm still fucking irate over TF2. Doom3 was a borefest.
Anyway, the only fps I'm really playing at this point is Team Fortress Classic. I need to find my Quake cd and see if anyone is still playing o.g. TF.
Late Stage Marxist
Member
I also enjoyed the Quake III multiplayer experience. Quake I & II were fun for their time, but QIII holds up surprisingly well for a MP deathmatch/CTF game. I'm starting to prefer broader multiplayer games like Halo 2's larger maps and BF2, but QIII's is still the ultimate fast-paced fragfest and a ton of fun with friends.
The other thing that bothers me about the article is how he complains about being bored of hell, metal, gothic architecture, etc. It's like he didn't buy Doom III knowing that there were two games before it.
The other thing that bothers me about the article is how he complains about being bored of hell, metal, gothic architecture, etc. It's like he didn't buy Doom III knowing that there were two games before it.
Cerebral Palsy
Banned
Doc Holliday said:
You say what I'm thinking. But to be fair, they ruined just about every weapon from the series with Quake3.
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trippingmartian said:
what? they remade the original with doom3 graphics? wow.
id hit their peak in 1997 with Quake II. It was a decent single player game at the time and the multiplayer couldn't be beat. A year later Half-Life basically made id's single player efforts look laughable, and a fair share of people feel Unreal Tournament has always been better than Quake 3 Arena. Doom III was a dissapointment for me because the single player was boring and the multiplayer was 1996 gameplay with 2004 graphics. Carmack is still among the best when it comes to making graphics engines, but Epic has managed to leapfrog them with UE3 and has timed it in a way that they're going to reap the benefits of the shift to next gen systems. On top of that, Prey is the only game I can think of that uses the Doom III engine that isn't based on an id IP (meaning not a Doom 3 expansion, or something set in the Quake universe).
AndoCalrissian
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Mrbob said:
I thought the same thing, but after watching the trailer last night I am much more interested in the game. If you haven't watched it, check it out over on IGN or wherever.
Date of Lies
Banned
I found Q2's mods OWN anything Q3.
Teknopathetic
Member
Q3A was surpassed when it was released. The far superior UT showed Q3A for what it was, a shoddy, pisspoor attempt at good DM.
Teknopathetic
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Kyouji: He's dopeyfish, his comments don't adhere to logic or common sense. And Pimpwerx's admittedly dabbled in nose candy.
Sp3eD said:Quake 2 Rocket Arena was by far the greatest, most balanced mode in any game ever. When I was playing over the summer when high school was out I would average something like 100 hours per week on CLQ rankings. It was crazy. (actually got to #2 on the CLQ for 2 straight weeks)
Q3RA is even better too.
Q2RA was good when they removed the damned BFG. Godly. Rocket Arena = Deathmatch sex.
Playing Unreal Tournament after playing Q3A feels like playing DOA after VF4.
Well, not quite. Unreal Tournament is slower paced, and has some excellent teamplay modes, but I wouldn't play deathmatch in the original UT for the life of me. The recent games are improvements, but they still don't touch Threewave Quake 3 or OSP Quake 3.
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DopeyFish said:
BFG10K was always turned off on every map. Either the admin changed the starting cfg files, or people on the map voted it in (which was really rare as everybody hated it).
Still the multi-arena's were a thing of beauty. So awesome in Q2 at least because nobody had done such a thing before. It worked so freaking well that I wish they added some gametypes in new games that took advantage of that. Gave it such variety.
Teknopathetic
Member
"Playing Unreal Tournament after playing Q3A feels like playing DOA after VF4."
I'm afraid you've got that sorely backwards. Q3A was always flashy with no substance. A game of who could get the rockets fastest. The slow pace of UT meant you actually had to *aim*.
I'm afraid you've got that sorely backwards. Q3A was always flashy with no substance. A game of who could get the rockets fastest. The slow pace of UT meant you actually had to *aim*.
Excess Poo Flakes
Banned
Cerebral Palsy said:
On spot, carry on
Unreal Tournament has some of the most gimmicky maps I've seen in an FPS, and the weapons weren't much better.
Even if we're talking about simple baseq3 as opposed to OSP or Threewave, you still have a chance of survival with *every* weapon in Q3A. Yes, even the chaingun. Part of this is due to the movement of the players. In UT, if you are caught in a room facing a wound up rocket launcher with dual enforcers, you are done.
No doubt that the rocket launcher is used the most (mostly for transportation, in RA, OSP and Threewave), but you will simply suck without using rail, plasma, rocket, lighting, and even grenade, all very often. Hell, I can't play Rocket Arena without binding everything surrounding WASD to individual weapons.
Teknopathetic
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"In UT, if you are caught in a room facing a wound up rocket launcher with dual enforcers, you are done."
This is *so* inaccurate given the tiny splash damage radius of rocket launchers and slow speed of said rockets. Hell, the Plasma Rifle's an *insanely* more dangerous weapon, flak cannon, so on so forth. The rocket launcher's nice, but it's *so* far from the end all be all that it is in Q3. Edit: And Dual-enforcers can take out quite a bit.
This is *so* inaccurate given the tiny splash damage radius of rocket launchers and slow speed of said rockets. Hell, the Plasma Rifle's an *insanely* more dangerous weapon, flak cannon, so on so forth. The rocket launcher's nice, but it's *so* far from the end all be all that it is in Q3. Edit: And Dual-enforcers can take out quite a bit.
I wasn't saying that the rocket launcher was king in UT; just that there tend to be situations where a player is out-and-out screwed in UT where I've never had to complain about that in Quake. It isn't even a weapons thing as much as it is player movement and map design. That is another thing about UT that I didn't like, though; the blast radius is seemingly inconsistent. That's probably just a matter of me getting used to it, though.
And again, watch high-level matches of Threewave. The rocket launcher is the primary weapon, but the other weapons are still a necessity.
Teknopathetic
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"And again, watch high-level matches of Threewave. The rocket launcher is the primary weapon, but the other weapons are still a necessity."
And there's none of that in high level UT play, each weapon is as deadly as the other.
And there's none of that in high level UT play, each weapon is as deadly as the other.
Cerebral Palsy
Banned
UT and QIII both suck.