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Fighting Games Weekly | Jan 19-25 | As Seen On WSHH

Sayad

Member
Shared this in the Tag 2 thread, but I'll share it here too for anyone that missed it...

On JDCR's stream earlier today, he shared some info about Tekken 7. One thing stuck out to me,

Devil Kazuya's EWGF hits mid, but is -10 on block with no pushback. Also, Kaz can only turn into Devil during rage, so this is actually a pretty big risk.
This have been known since the first location test(not the exact frames obviously), not sure where I heard it though, probably on ATP.
 
you live in toronto? why did I not see you at cecc2? we had 17 ppl for VF, it was cool. didn't you want to learn vf2 at some point?

i didn't go to cecc2... had to work + was too lazy to go to the science centre haha. i also haven't been to a&c world in like 2 years smh. i casually play vf, probably not good enough to enter a tournament any time soon tho. mainly a sf player. but yes, i would love to learn vf2, game looks so godlike at a high level.
 

Manbig

Member
This have been known since the first location test, not sure where I heard it though, probably on ATP.

From what I recall, Kaz being able to turn into Devil Kaz only while in rage was known, but the mid hitting, unsafe EWGF wasn't something I recall hearing about. If it was from ATP, then Aris completely forgot about it, which is likely the case when it comes to Aris.

That's weird, is normal Kazuya EWGF the same?

Negative.
 

Sayad

Member
Devil Kazuya's EWGF hits mid, but is -10 on block with no pushback. Also, Kaz can only turn into Devil during rage, so this is actually a pretty big risk.
To think about it, the thing that was really known is that EWGF was negative on block and had no push back, some suggested that it might hit mid now to make up for that(pretty sure I heard the "EWGF hit mid" idea somewhere).

Anyway, the devil transformation being risky is an understatement, it seems more unsafe than a TTT2 raw tag! It's like you have give up an oki to transform safely now.

Edit: Oh! I remembered where I heard it, Main Man's Kaz breakdown video. Didn't know it hit mid, but some said it might hit mid now in the comment. He might have also talked about it on ATP.
 
So nobody here watched Frosty Faustings last night? I'm disappointed in you guys.

There's such a thing as sleep and finals starting 4AM.

I still hate pineberry.

I love Pineberry to bits. Insanely, insanely versatile move, there's no end to the fun stuff you can do with it. Basic fireball games, stagger pressure, combo extends, ghetto burst, trajectory manipulation, throw setups, unblockables, there's no end to it. The move's so versatile you can just become a scholar of berry use.

You sure? God damn it lol I remember it being snuffed out before for some reason.

It's not THAT good. jeez.

It's better :3
 

Azure J

Member
I love Pineberry to bits. Insanely, insanely versatile move, there's no end to the fun stuff you can do with it. Basic fireball games, stagger pressure, combo extends, ghetto burst, trajectory manipulation, throw setups, unblockables, there's no end to it. The move's so versatile you can just become a scholar of berry use.

It's not THAT good. jeez.

It's better :3

I seriously think Elphelt is slowly becoming one of my favorite fighting game characters ever joining the ranks of Marth, Dante, & Makoto (SF). I just love how Pine Berry forces overly aggressive players into bad situations, especially when you get good at playing suicide with the walls of a stage and have the pine berry rebound into their face. Recently though I've been thinking up new ways to bait reversals (Volcanic Vipers) out of people who mash it out when the berry oki set play starts up.

At the same time, I guess I kinda see why people are salty over shotty waifu.
 
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Got my password changed, yay.

Anyways, fighting games.

The KOF community people are trying to throw a side tournament and we have all the equipment we need, we just have to make a ruleset and decide if we want to raise money for a pot bonus or just have a simple entry-fee tournament. KOF13 on console is the big one, and some are trying to get PCs for a 98UMFE side tournament as well. Viva KOF!

Also, Santa Monica may be in my future. Long shot, but a shot.
 
It's just porn. There is porn for everything, even Orville Redenbacher.

'it's not a secret that the art of skullgirls leans towards 34'

What does that even mean. What does it even MEAN

Paraphrasing:

'It's not a secret that when fictional females have big breasts, fans of the game/comic/whatever immediately think of having sex with them'
 

Dahbomb

Member
It's just porn. There is porn for everything, even Orville Redenbacher.

'it's not a secret that the art of skullgirls leans towards 34'

What does that even mean. What does it even MEAN
It means that Skullgirls in its default art style already looks like cartoon porn.

Wouldn't be the first time I have seen something like that being said. I remember when the game was first shown and people on GAF were like "it's like a Bugs Bunny hentai" or some shit. Made me laugh out loud.
 
I think it depends on who is making MvC4. If the same team is making it, I think they'll keep Morrigan as-is because they are probably proud of their creation. If it's a new team, then all bets are off. I don't think people being upset about a character being too good factors into it. Seth Killian even said Morrigan is "working as intended" and was happy to see the fruits of their labor when ChrisG was first dominating with her.

I think Marvel 3 is at its best when there is a heavy emphasis on zoning, and as Seth said it was intentionally set up to be played that way. Yeah there are big damage combos, but if you're trying to kill with combos you have to earn your hit by getting past the other person's zoning game. Most of the player base is trying to play a different game where you can just rush in all the time, so it's not surprising when they get shut down by people playing the game right.
 
the only other skullgirls player i know is one of my students.

she's a hardcore black weeaboo who draws furry toons so i don't know tho...
 

QisTopTier

XisBannedTier
It means that Skullgirls in its default art style already looks like cartoon porn.

Wouldn't be the first time I have seen something like that being said. I remember when the game was first shown and people on GAF were like "it's like a Bugs Bunny hentai" or some shit. Made me laugh out loud.

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the only other skullgirls player i know is one of my students.

she's a hardcore black weeaboo who draws furry toons so i don't know tho...
LOL
 

fader

Member
I like the gameplay mechanic of Skullgirls but holy shit do I not care about the characters. If a series I cared about used their mechanic, I would totally play it.
 

Anth0ny

Member
There were more #ssbm tourneys of 100+ entrants on the day of January 24th 2015 than there were during the entire year of 2008. #platinumage

NorCal Arcadian #2 reportedly got 292 singles entrants. That's good for 11th biggest #ssbm tourney all-time, beating out Genesis 1. What?!

holy christ

melee in 2015 what are you doing
 

MrDaravon

Member
Amazing what taking a break from a game will do. As a new player in Smash I was starting to get frustrated and felt like I was getting nowhere. Then took a break mostly due to IRL issues and just being busy with other stuff, come back two weeks later and it's like a whole new game, and I'm doing significantly better. Feels good mang

holy christ

melee in 2015 what are you doing

Yeah Melee is getting ridiculous. I wonder at what point this is going to peak at, it's pretty nuts at the moment. I don't care if Smash 4 surpasses it at some point or not (it won't), but I hope that game continues to do well. I have zero access to a local scene so Melee is out of the question for me, but I like playing Smash 4 online.
 

Azure J

Member
holy christ

melee in 2015 what are you doing

Seeing how all the big name tournaments have started running Melee and 4 primarily, I've started dabbling in short bursts of Melee training mode with Marth/Falco to sharpen up. I'll still claim Project M as my prefered Smash title, but a part of me really wants in on the new action at a tournament soon. Melee's growth in the last three years has been incredible.
 

Dahbomb

Member
And another LOL @ Skill and MVC3. Dude swore up and down that Vergil was not high tier and Phoenix Wright was godlike or that Jill had some game breaking tech that had to be nerfed. Just because he said some crap about Morrigan before doesn't mean it actually ended up being true or that was the intended power level of the character.

I know this is beating a dead horse (or dead game... lulz) but if Capcom got another chance to balance the game, Morrigan would get hit by the stick EMPHATICALLY.
 

shaowebb

Member
I just hope Apex having to drop Project M due to Nintendo Partnership doesn't start a trend. Project M is incredible and still my preferred Smash. I'm digging the new stuff in Smash 4 but there is room for both dangit.

And another LOL @ Skill and MVC3. Dude swore up and down that Vergil was not high tier and Phoenix Wright was godlike or that Jill had some game breaking tech that had to be nerfed. Just because he said some crap about Morrigan before doesn't mean it actually ended up being true or that was the intended power level of the character.

I know this is beating a dead horse (or dead game... lulz) but if Capcom got another chance to balance the game, Morrigan would get hit by the stick EMPHATICALLY.

She'd get hit, but I think Hidden Missiles would take the first hit. That assist in general does so much to the game...its a combo breaker, and OTG, a lockdown for augmented zoning, a setup, an answer to jump ins, a reset tool, etc...

It does too much and is too safe. Its on every team. If Hidden Missiles was replace with something else as an assist or just normalized somehow it'd change a lot of the stuff in Marvel immediately.

I say give em the changelog that was made by GAF and let that shit rock. :D
 

xezuru

Member
I just hope Apex having to drop Project M due to Nintendo Partnership doesn't start a trend. Project M is incredible and still my preferred Smash. I'm digging the new stuff in Smash 4 but there is room for both dangit.

Well when Nintendo continues with their "hands-off" "support" for the scene and issues like Project M, major tournament organizers DO pull out of things like Project M for their events, because better-safe-than-sorry mentality. I get it, people want to support and be supported by sponsors for their events but I mean at this point I'd rather just hear Nintendo's verdict on if they truly support this shit because I'm tired of getting some bland avoiding the question TO excuses like this: https://twitter.com/EvilMrWizard/status/558288901912006656 or even complete silence of APEX every time Project M is even mentioned.
 
Doom Missiles, Zero in general, Vergil, and Morrigan in that order would get hit with the nerf bat pretty bad.

here's another one that would be less obvious: storm air movement
 

Azure J

Member
And another LOL @ Skill and MVC3. Dude swore up and down that Vergil was not high tier and Phoenix Wright was godlike or that Jill had some game breaking tech that had to be nerfed. Just because he said some crap about Morrigan before doesn't mean it actually ended up being true or that was the intended power level of the character.

I know this is beating a dead horse (or dead game... lulz) but if Capcom got another chance to balance the game, Morrigan would get hit by the stick EMPHATICALLY.

"Dante is mid tier." - SKill on Vanilla Dante.
 

shaowebb

Member
Sad thing is I really like the new changes to Project M. Having a counter and a hover with Ganondorf is pretty slick. He's still no top tier, but he's fun. I really dig the Zelda orb recalling the most though in that game. Man is that ever a game changer.
 
I just hope Apex having to drop Project M due to Nintendo Partnership doesn't start a trend. Project M is incredible and still my preferred Smash. I'm digging the new stuff in Smash 4 but there is room for both dangit.
so...

Did you see the logs of Alex Strife trying to get Chibo to stop streaming Project M entirely?
 

fader

Member
marvel 2?

something more modern Kappa

Yeah Melee is getting ridiculous. I wonder at what point this is going to peak at, it's pretty nuts at the moment. I don't care if Smash 4 surpasses it at some point or not (it won't), but I hope that game continues to do well. I have zero access to a local scene so Melee is out of the question for me, but I like playing Smash 4 online.

it's amazing how people keep playing melee but people dropped Marvel 2 as soon as MVC3 came out... Support your game folks, don't just bandwagon to the popular choice.
 
I like Clockwork's team a lot. It's three commonly used characters, but normally none of them are played point. Plus I like teams where the order is flexible.
 

Dahbomb

Member
"Dante is mid tier." - SKill on Vanilla Dante.
LMAO forgot that gem as well.

Storm's mobility would not get nerfed because it's the same as Trish's/Magneto's but with a Float which isn't that OP. Plus that character is only relevant these days because of Justin... she is far more likely to get buffed.

Morrigan, Zero and Vergil would get heavy nerfs as points while Doom would get hit hard as a support. Magneto, Nova, Wolverine, Spencer would get small nerfs while a bunch of other characters would get their damage/combos nerfed (Strange, Spider Man, Chris, Viper, Doom etc). Most other characters would get buffed and the Firebrand unblockable removed.

In an ideal world of course, Capcom is very likely to do something silly like buff Viper.
 

Dahbomb

Member
are viper/x/phoenix teams top tier? unknown makes it work.
Viper plus Phoenix? No that's terrible.

Viper in a team with two top assists is definitely top or at the minimum near top. She just has a couple of bad match ups (Zero and Morrigan) but she is still a very powerful character. Unknown's Viper team is legitimately bad but he makes it work because he's good.

Phoenix is still very good at the back but three things hold her back: 1) Too many characters with strong mix ups that can deny her dark form by snapping her in 2) Firebrand and Morrigan make her unplayable and 3) Vergil and Strider fill a similar role Phoenix but provide more to the team and don't limit meter usage.

That said if someone is good enough at the start to build 3-4 meters then the insurance that a 4th character brings in is huge. Vergil/Strider can still be killed on incoming but a Phoenix with 5 bars gets to play against most characters (minus characters like Spencer, Spider Man, Frank who can deny her transformation). FChamp exploits this to the max but in tight situations he gets the wins with just regular Jean which makes him exceptional with the character.
 

Astarte

Member
Paraphrasing:

'It's not a secret that when fictional females have big breasts, fans of the game/comic/whatever immediately think of having sex with them'

It means that Skullgirls in its default art style already looks like cartoon porn.

Wouldn't be the first time I have seen something like that being said. I remember when the game was first shown and people on GAF were like "it's like a Bugs Bunny hentai" or some shit. Made me laugh out loud.

Well, that more or less makes more sense in my mind now :/
 
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