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Fighting Games Weekly | March 24-30 | We talkin' bout brackets. Not a game, brackets.
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Is XI an option?
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it's the only example I have handy
this might be worth a read.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=630286
.la1n
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SousedLouse
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That was a fun thread.
I prefer KOF '98 UM. I'll play vanilla '98 from time to time, but all the little quirks about the game bug me sometimes.
That said, I've never felt satisfied with any roster in a KOF game. The games that have the rosters I like ('02 UM, '03, XI) have mechanics that I don't like, and the ones with the mechanics I love ('98, '98 UM, Regulation A) usually skip characters I like. So there's a lot of wiggle room in what I consider my favorites.
sixteen-bit
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I like sports team so 98, haha
this definitely isn't the case for marvel
the simple way to test this is if you can get f, qcf+atk out quickly vs. nothing coming out or dp coming out. do it in the air so it's easier to check-
i have no idea why it's like this at all..
also kof98's short and sweet combos are the best. cr. short jab rekka / cr.short short safe special is the truth forever. plus comboing into super just being the exact same thing usually into super and also being super hard 'cuz of that (but so satisfying)
that and fierce, hcb backbreaker
98 is the best and all other kofs are inferior because ralf doesn't get crunk and mash heads in with the hammerfst and the true people's elbow
edit: no seriously i LOATHE kof13's ralf. like i already dislike the general feel of that game for reasons i don't fully understand (i think it's HD-combo related and weaker normals than what i'm used to from 98) but the change to ralf and clark are like the cherry on top.
look at this badass dude who's about to destroy you with his fists
it makes no sense at all that they would be different.
I shared that same reaction to the above statement. Thinking about it more though, I don't think it's a bad thing.
Assuming that the execution bar isn't absurdly low for executing the long combos, the initial focus for the new player is going to be on execution; they're going to want to get the long combos.
Execution is one of the fundamentals of being a good fighting game player.
If you don't have other fundamentals in place, you're going to hit a ceiling.
Assuming (there's a lot of assumption here, I know this) that they want to get better, they're going to start thinking "how can I land those long-ass combos?"
So while long combos can be boring to watch (depending on the game/context), I don't think that it's a bad thing from a community point of view. The person is playing, and if they have any drive to get better, eventually, they will realize that it's not just about combos.
it's the only example I have handy
You earned it =)
98. I need to pick up a stronger team though, lol.
I don't think it's such a poisonous mindset that this guy will never improve, but he's certainly inviting himself to a bumpy ride. Just accepting that you don't yet have the full picture can do wonders when trying to learn anything at all.
oh i forgot to mention, this is when your stick is set to LS, not dpad
i really don't know why this is the case though, but it's something that's pretty well known for folks who play it since it's this somewhat common issue where sometimes folks will go into matches with it set on LS and start dropping everything because of the inability to do qcfs or the thing not registering the diagonal for upforward superjumps and upback superjumps
I kinda feel like the neutral game in some games is way better than others, e.g. its really good in ST, and I don't think the focus should be on that in every game. I like being able to punish mistakes with satisfying combos rather than one move or a 2-3 hitter. And I think if the game has long combos it shouldn't scale too much and make them pointless.
Its tough to balance but some things devs should avoid:
-time wasting long combos like KI ultras after they're already dead
-extremely scaled long combos like hnk
-"logical" places to add a super or ultra in a combo design where its pointless because it does no damage like SF4
Also I generally don't find long combos boring unless they're really dragging on and doing no damage like hnk, sbx and the infinites in a3. Really basic 1, 2 or 3 hits cancelled into a special or super just feels dated like we're back in the early 90's so fighters have to have something more interesting than that.
I can't really picture what people want when they complain about longer combo systems. Like you really may as well play old games like ST if you just like the neutral game that much imo.
Its tough to balance but some things devs should avoid:
-time wasting long combos like KI ultras after they're already dead
-extremely scaled long combos like hnk
-"logical" places to add a super or ultra in a combo design where its pointless because it does no damage like SF4
Also I generally don't find long combos boring unless they're really dragging on and doing no damage like hnk, sbx and the infinites in a3. Really basic 1, 2 or 3 hits cancelled into a special or super just feels dated like we're back in the early 90's so fighters have to have something more interesting than that.
I can't really picture what people want when they complain about longer combo systems. Like you really may as well play old games like ST if you just like the neutral game that much imo.
I'm surprised I hadn't heard of this. how do you fuck up directional input in 2011?
That's the point lol. When people suddenly feel as if they're dropping inputs they normally get and the only thing different is whether the stick is in LS mode or DP mode, it's probably either the stick or placebo. :V
"Shouldn't" doesn't mean that's the way it is though. There is a significant difference between dpad input and analog stick emulation on Madcatz sticks.
To make it even crazier, Cthulhu boards send joystick input to the console as simultaneous dpad and LS inputs by default.
Parallax Scroll
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HnK has nice graphics and it's a shame they never made a non-broken game with them
That's why we set the DVR up to record The Mentalist too (even though we don't watch it). NFL and college basketball always run long.
SquirrelSoup
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I feel the same way about Sengoku Basara X.
Curry-Hakase
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Oh look, it's Kyo with a bandanna.
Yeah, we'd do that, but then we have conflicts in the 10 PM slot as well (Revenge and the Mentalist).
Now you got me hyped to see it.
R
Retro_
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Yeah I agree.
I also disagree with the idea that games with long combos are just about "waiting for them to finish" as in games with burst mechanics or strong reset options, the game is still very much going on after a hit is landed for both players. Those factors influence the decision making of both the person being hit and the person performing the combo.
So I don't really understand the idea that they're just one player minigames and that both players are just waiting for them to end. I mean they most certainly can be that way (UNIB) but it's not nearly as common as people make it out to be.(All anime/non Capcom games)
I'm curious what your problem is with long combos if long animations, uninteruptable, cinematic moves are preferable. I mean at least in long combos the game is still being played. Both players can put the controller down during 60 second super moves
sixteen-bit
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CVS2 london stage has a really cool song imo
It's neither. This is a real thing. You don't play fighting games with it set to LS. Shit will be fucked up.
.la1n
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It is probably the best song in a fighting game ever.
Sorry, I phrased my post poorly. When I posted, "it's probably either the stick," I meant the input settings. So yeah, I agree with you.
kyo don't got the godhand, he's just a punk ass prettyboy who can shoot fire out of his hands like every other lame prettyboy hero
kyo wishes he had this power:
that's not even a counterhit and he's already bleeding to death what a fool for attempting to even challenge his power
i had a gif of the god elbow too but for some reason it's twice as big despite being the same amount of frames
SloaneRisette
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Currently working on a project that I think a lot of FGC-GAF would like, and if Enzo and Shouta would be cool with it, would love to show it off to you guys once it gets to a state where I could feasibly do it.
Making games is hard
tuna with bacon
How bout we just call them by their names?
sixteen-bit
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there are two types of fighting games:
anime and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpV7eS4IrgA
anime and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpV7eS4IrgA
'98 Ralf's C button is one of the single most fun buttons to press in any fighting game.
It's not in your opinion, it's a fact.
SousedLouse
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Ralf players get away with murder using that button. Footsies, air-to-air, hit-confirming - it does it all! Pressing any other button is a legit mixup against the uninitiated, haha.
CrazyTank940
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All must bow down before the tuna with bacon
Karsticles
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It isn't about how many hits the combo is, it is about how long you have to sit and watch it. A 20 hit manual combo is fine if it all takes place in 5 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f8D77OAmDg = best combos length!
Passive Assassin
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that haitani mak face.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Everything but Netherrealms is anime
which is fine
which is fine
SloaneRisette
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CrazyTank940
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So how has your j.C skills with Akihiko been doing lately?
.la1n
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lmao, it always finds a way into the thread every week. Like clock work.
MikeBreezy92
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SloaneRisette
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Pretty awesome, no one blocks it, get bodied.
He's the most basic character to play in that game, of course I'd pick him!
Plus he's one of my favorite Persona characters
Jesus. :lol