Vick
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Oh.. my bad then.
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God of War Ragnarök music production intern Jessica Mao says she wasn't credited for contribution to the game
mortal
Gold Member
If you do work, you get paid and you get credit. It really should be that straightforward and simple.
I don't understand why publishers & developers make it more confusing and frustrating than it needs to be. All it ever does is invite unnecessary grievance and bad press.
They have nothing to lose by properly crediting someone that did the job, whereas the person benefits from having that credit go to their resume/CV for their career.
I don't understand why publishers & developers make it more confusing and frustrating than it needs to be. All it ever does is invite unnecessary grievance and bad press.
They have nothing to lose by properly crediting someone that did the job, whereas the person benefits from having that credit go to their resume/CV for their career.
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Mr Moose
Member
The fuck you talking about? He never tried to defend this, just posted additional information.
midnightAI
Member
They don't have to credit anyone in the credits unless it is in the employment/contractor/intern contract. Normally companies will credit people who have worked on the game but they are under no obligation to do so (unless under contract as mentioned), heck, you don't even need to include a credit section in your game (it does get more complicated if you contract someone to do work and in that contract it states they will get credit and then you don't have a credits section in your game however, that's very rare though as most want a credits section in their game)
Also, even if you do have a contract it was proposed that you still need to have worked on the game for 5% of the total game development (or 30 days, whichever is least), something like that anyway (I'm a solo dev so dont have these issues, well, unless I decide to leave myself out of the game credits, then I'll be in trouble with myself and I'll see myself in court where I'll sue myself for not displaying credits for err, myself)
Also, even if you do have a contract it was proposed that you still need to have worked on the game for 5% of the total game development (or 30 days, whichever is least), something like that anyway (I'm a solo dev so dont have these issues, well, unless I decide to leave myself out of the game credits, then I'll be in trouble with myself and I'll see myself in court where I'll sue myself for not displaying credits for err, myself)
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Topher
Gold Member
I did some more useless research. Santa Monica Studios states that their interns will be credited for their work.
"We want you to bring your contagious excitement and fresh perspectives! As an intern, you'll work on our current projectalongside us and be credited on the game. Sound awesome? Apply to one of our intern roles!"
sms.playstation.com
"We want you to bring your contagious excitement and fresh perspectives! As an intern, you'll work on our current projectalongside us and be credited on the game. Sound awesome? Apply to one of our intern roles!"
Santa Monica Studio
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
I did some more useless research. Santa Monica Studios states that their interns will be credited for their work.
"We want you to bring your contagious excitement and fresh perspectives! As an intern, you'll work on our current projectalongside us and be credited on the game. Sound awesome? Apply to one of our intern roles!"
Santa Monica Studio
Thanks. Appreciate the useless research fool
bender
What time is it?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Hopefully he gets credit.
Negotiator101
Member
The Lady worked on this project and hasn't been credited. Its absolutely irrelevant whether she's an intern or not. What facts are you talking about? The information is as straightforward as it gets
I understand you and Ass are the Gaf equivalent of Beavis and Butt-head but the levels of stupidity is off the charts at this point.
Drizzlehell
Banned
If she'd contribute to the project in any significant way then adding her to the list of credits is such a non-issue that under regular circumstances wouldn't require her to take to twitter to stir up shit about it.
After glancing at that LinkedIn profile, my guess is that she probably just did some legwork on it for a day or two that someone else delegated to her because they didn't have time to do it themselves and she was an intern that you usually use as a toilet for whatever mundane, repetitive tasks that you don't wanna do yourself. And now nobody can even trace that work back to her because it was such a menial task that no one paid attention to who actually did it. And now that the game is such a huge success, she obviously wants to put her name on it for some street cred.
Funny because back in the day that's what you'd call "paying your dues" before striking it big time somewhere, and you would just put that kind of uncredited work on your resume without making a big fuss out of it. Nowadays everyone is so fucking entitled to everything. Makes your eyes roll.
After glancing at that LinkedIn profile, my guess is that she probably just did some legwork on it for a day or two that someone else delegated to her because they didn't have time to do it themselves and she was an intern that you usually use as a toilet for whatever mundane, repetitive tasks that you don't wanna do yourself. And now nobody can even trace that work back to her because it was such a menial task that no one paid attention to who actually did it. And now that the game is such a huge success, she obviously wants to put her name on it for some street cred.
Funny because back in the day that's what you'd call "paying your dues" before striking it big time somewhere, and you would just put that kind of uncredited work on your resume without making a big fuss out of it. Nowadays everyone is so fucking entitled to everything. Makes your eyes roll.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
The Lady worked on this project and hasn't been credited. Its absolutely irrelevant whether she's an intern or not. What facts are you talking about? The information is as straightforward as it gets
I understand you and Ass are the Gaf equivalent of Beavis and Butt-head but the levels of stupidity is off the charts at this point.
Slothbeing1209
Member
Maybe because of my culture is different but I really don't understand her action at all. Why do you need to talk bad about your company on twitter over a small thing like this. It's the last thing you want to do even after you quit the job.
Imtjnotu
Member
The Lady worked on this project and hasn't been credited. Its absolutely irrelevant whether she's an intern or not. What facts are you talking about? The information is as straightforward as it gets
I understand you and Ass are the Gaf equivalent of Beavis and Butt-head but the levels of stupidity is off the charts at this point.
Get that white knight shit out of here
baphomet
Member
She definitely didn't make music for the game.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
Social media has somehow made some people believe that they can say whatever they want and there will be no consequences.
tmlDan
Member
Honestly, it also makes me think, as an employer, that they are a pain to work with and always complain so i'd rather not hire them.
Stuff like this are minimal and not worth complaining about when you're establishing your career.
Thabass
Member
Did she work on the game in any capacity? Then you get a credit. Pretty simple.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Nydius
Member
The Lady worked on this project and hasn't been credited. Its absolutely irrelevant whether she's an intern or not. What facts are you talking about? The information is as straightforward as it gets
I understand you and Ass are the Gaf equivalent of Beavis and Butt-head but the levels of stupidity is off the charts at this point.
Every time you post something, you look even more foolish.
Topher added relevant details to the discussion twice. All you've done is bitch and moan while trying to derail the topic into console warring nonsensical bullshit. Now you've graduated to personal attacks.
You have contributed nothing to this thread except salt.
Just. Stop. Posting.
Negotiator101
Member
To what end? To somehow justify this as being ok, read between the lines dickwad.
Negotiator101
Member
What relevant information? It's actually the opposite. It's like a morons convention in here for crying out loud. Take your own advice mate, you've come across as an Asshat in one post.
Fart Knight
Al Pachinko, Konami President
There's music other then the main theme song?
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
WTF Balrog!!
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
recursive
Member
The Lady worked on this project and hasn't been credited. Its absolutely irrelevant whether she's an intern or not. What facts are you talking about? The information is as straightforward as it gets
I understand you and Ass are the Gaf equivalent of Beavis and Butt-head but the levels of stupidity is off the charts at this point.
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Tripolygon
Banned
Take some time off gaf for the day. Just a lil advice.
Mr Moose
Member
Any information related to this might give some insight as to why this might've happened, dumbass. They never defended it.
Topher
Gold Member
Wastelander92
Member
GOW getting cancelled in 3, 2, 1.
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Negotiator101
Member
Listen dickhead this lady felt strong enough about this to highlight her work on Twitter, because a big studio owned by Sony couldn't be arsed to credit her for her work. I know from your post you're not very bright but this guy would defend PS to his last dying breath, that's why he posted that bullshit, you know it, I know it and he definitely knows it.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Boneless
Member
You took the wrong exit dude, resetera is the other way.
Hugare
Member
lol at "music producer" in the title
Still, if she worked on it, even for a day, she deserved to be put in the credits. Legaly, they have no obligation to do so, so tough luck.
One thing is certain tho: making it public and painting SSM in a bad light is not a good look if you want to keep working on the videogame industry.
Send them an e-mail, hire a lawyer. Taking things to Twitter is not the right way, even when you are right.
So she was an intern, worked there for 4 moths, and from the description it was a very minor intern kind of jobAccording to her LinkedIn profile, she was an Intern at SMS for four months.
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Are interns normally credited? I have no idea.
Still, if she worked on it, even for a day, she deserved to be put in the credits. Legaly, they have no obligation to do so, so tough luck.
One thing is certain tho: making it public and painting SSM in a bad light is not a good look if you want to keep working on the videogame industry.
Send them an e-mail, hire a lawyer. Taking things to Twitter is not the right way, even when you are right.
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Negotiator101
Member
No morals here.
Benniewise de Clown
Banned
I once spoke to someone who did an internship at Guerrilla Games during the development of KZ2 and he was in the credits.According to her LinkedIn profile, she was an Intern at SMS for four months.
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Are interns normally credited? I have no idea.
But that might have been a smaller team at the time, so who knows.
Comandr
Member
This. Fucking this. I was just about to post essentially this same thing. Thanks to
Topher
's exhaustive research, we discovered that while an intern, she did deserve to be credited, as per SSM's hiring page. That said, going out and posting about it twitter is not the place to do it, or the way to handle it like a professional adult. My name isn't in credits on games I've worked on, and I fuckin' got over it. If I really wanted to, I could have sent an email to the team lead asking about it, and that email would have gone up and up and up the chain until someone glanced at it and forgot about it. This is SSM essentially saying "We forgot you and you are too small of a speck to be worth the effort." Is it shitty? Yes. Is it also true, also yes. Do I think slinging shit at a major developer on twitter is a good look? No.
Thirty7ven
Banned
We really need to know how more if she says she should be credited.
For example in the film industry Scriptwriters only get credited if they contribute a certain amount. Imagine contributing two pages worth of material in a 120 page script and asking to be in the film credits…
For example in the film industry Scriptwriters only get credited if they contribute a certain amount. Imagine contributing two pages worth of material in a 120 page script and asking to be in the film credits…
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