I'm from NY, and I can say that Brady is absolutely the better of the two.
And if Brady is a cheater, where does Peyton 'HGH you taste so good' Manning fit into the Hall of Cheaters now?
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I'm from NY, and I can say that Brady is absolutely the better of the two.
And if Brady is a cheater, where does Peyton 'HGH you taste so good' Manning fit into the Hall of Cheaters now?
BadAss2961
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I only compared LeBron to Magic because of size, with Magic being a tall ass PG and all. Outside the fastbreak, LeBron's never been the most active off the ball. So if he was truly an elite passer I think he'd play PG and defend the 3 or the 2, or would've least averaged a 10 assist season by now considering how much he takes over those responsibilities. But he's never come close to that despite the "elite PG if he wanted to be" rep.
And yeah, LeBron's a good defender with his size and athleticism, but pretending he's a shutdown guy or someone who could consistently defend any position is overstating it.
Agreed.
Americans are morons.
We are going to vote a fascist in to be President of the country and we can make a list of top 10 sports stars of all time without Tim Tebow, Cedric Ceballos and Tommy Maddox. Tebow won with his faith. Ced was so good he could play blindfolded. And Tommy Maddox is the only football player to retire from competitive play as someone who will remain champ for all time.
America sucks.
Lazy vs Crazy
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Bobby Orr. But that was a different time and Gretzky did it longer.
The HGH was for his wife.
Also Peyton is the most unathletic qb of all time. Beyond that I never saw anything suspicious from him like having a freakishly large head. Oh wait...
WHAT????
Thug Waffle
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Tom Brady poops on Peyton Manning. Enough of this debate! Kiss the ring(s)!
JJ Abrams is American. America and England combined to create The Force Awakens so you know in your heart America does not suck
But Pey pey has the most 1 and dones in the playoffs of all time, that has to count for something right
He was a shutdown guy in his prime. Derrick Rose disappeared in the 2013 ECF when LeBron was put on him.
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To be fair Rose has completely disappeared since then too.
Pats won 11 games when Brady got hurt.
The Colts without Manning went 0-13.
And the Pats are cheaters. Their achievements count to me as much as Lance Armstrongs.
BadAss2961
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LeBron with 4 dudes in the paint shutdown D.Rose. His size is a problem around the perimeter, but he can't stay with a guy like that.
Well, yeah. Defense is a team thing and all, doesn't stop that one guy with unique skills can totally change the way you defend a team. I wouldn't put LeBron in the same category as Kawhi, but versatility is so important, especially in today's metagame.
I am having flashbacks to David Gerrard limping his way to a huge run at the end of the game to put us away after Ben brought us back from like 20 down in the 4th.
I have a real bad feeling about this.
Stay positive and think happy thoughts like Rey and TFA...and before you know it it'll be the championship game in Foxboro!
It would be an interesting conversation if Bobby had stayed healthy, it's really too bad. But as good as Bobby was, I think the longevity of Gretzky's domination separates them (plus the 50 or so scoring records which are so hilariously beyond everyone else).
Also for the poster who talked about Steve Yzerman as better, it's worth noting that he had 155 points as his high in a season. Gretzky had 163 assists alone in a single season.
Dreams-Visions
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seems reasonable.
MJ will always be #1.
MJ will always be #1.
I think Steelers have a better chance of winning that game than the Broncos do.
Especially if we have a healthy Williams.
I have wondered if the Pats tanked to avoid playing us in round 2. I have never seen the Pats tank but with them you never can tell*.
* Because they are cheating scumbags without any morals or scruples who will lie, cheat and murder to get the slightest edge over anyone.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Yeah, that Gretzky comment was one of the most uninformed things I have ever read on here. Wow. He's rated too low as well, he really is one of the most exceptional athletes of all time in any sport.
Another chap left off the list (though I can see why, with it having an American bias) is cricket's Don Bradman. I don't even like cricket and his record is mind-blowing. By far the best cricketer of all time. If the list is about "athletes who surpassed anyone else in their sport" he would be in the top 5 easily. He was literally 50% better than any other hall of fame cricketer.
"Bradman's career Test batting average of 99.94 is often cited as the greatest achievement by any sportsman in any major sport."
The rest of the top 10 ranges from 57.40 to 60.97. His is 99.94.
Another chap left off the list (though I can see why, with it having an American bias) is cricket's Don Bradman. I don't even like cricket and his record is mind-blowing. By far the best cricketer of all time. If the list is about "athletes who surpassed anyone else in their sport" he would be in the top 5 easily. He was literally 50% better than any other hall of fame cricketer.
"Bradman's career Test batting average of 99.94 is often cited as the greatest achievement by any sportsman in any major sport."
The rest of the top 10 ranges from 57.40 to 60.97. His is 99.94.
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Americans under a certain age maybe. Kids who grew up in the '80's knew him for sure.
Haha MJ dunked on both of them. GOAT!
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
We had a similar thread a while back, and as someone who knew nothing about cricket, this dude's dominance of the sport is fucking insane.
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Doesn't matter, Montana and Marino were better than both! ;P
secondspace
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I don't follow golf, but wasn't the tragedy of Tiger fading away that he never caught up with Jack Nicklaus?
Pinko Marx
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Arnie Palmie will always hold a special place in my heart. I only drink those and water.
Those steroids were prescribed by a medical doctor!
If getting medical treatment for injuries or illnesses is cheating then I think we are all guilty of it.
You... You don't actually believe that, do you?
He likely took it to help him heal from his injuries faster, which players have been doing for years now.
Shit, Peterson came back from a full ACL tear in less than a year. You think pixie dust gave him the power to do that? Unless
Unless you're being sarcastic. I can't even tell anymore... Someone tried to argue that Gretzky was overrated, so clearly anything is fair game.
Well, at least half of that statement may be accurate.
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The Colts had shit talent when they tanked without Peyton. If Manning played and they made the playoffs, they'd probably have been eliminated in their first game.
Kiss the rings.
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