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[Sentenza]

PS+ used to be great but then they made it mendatory so now they shit on people much like xbox gold.

Steam on PC is pretty much monopoly so they don't need to offer anything, stupid people either way will have to buy games in their store.

Epic is new player and tries to promote itself which is why they fund so many free games.

GOG does this once in while but they offer mostly classics.

lol if he doesn't know what he is doing then why so many steamretards are so angry about him ? They are angry because sweeney tactics work. Free games and exclusives is key to get people using their store.

I swear you are bordering into complete military grade autism at this point.

- PS+ being mandatory for multiplayer is bullshit, but to claim it used to be better for free games before the subscription model is at very least bizarre.
- Steam is not a monopoly, neither in strict terms nor loosely speaking; and people don't choose to buy on Steam because they are stupid, they do because they are not and all things being equal they'll pick the better option.
- Free games have been handed regularly in the last years on all services: Humble Store, GOG, Origin, Uplay and, guess what? Steam too. Epic is just way more aggressive than anyone else in this area. And they recently doubled down on the original plan, too.

it's amusing that the clueless fools like you think this is all about these scary "Steam fanboys" that make your nights uneasy, when in reality Epic is managing to piss people who were used to all sorts of store.
There's a certain amount of hallucinating morons who seem to be under the delusion that in this story Epic is supposed to be the plucky underdog, the scrappy brave little guy facing the cruel corporate giants and fighting his way to the top. But that's just because their misplaced impotent rage against the alleged "Steam monopoly" makes them blind of reality.

Once you try to remove Steam from the picture and watch what's left, on the other hand, it becomes even more transparent what other movie trope Epic actually incarnates here: it's the billionaire bully coming to town and trying to buy out or chase away half of its inhabitants, with the goal to realize his giant mall with parking lot.
In fact among all the stores in the PC space, Steam is the least likely to be heavily effect by Epic's cancerous expansion strategy. Guys like CDP with GOG will be challenged way more harshly.

 

[Fuz]

They have over 100 million users

90% of which are fake or emails activated unknowingly.

 

[Fbh]

One is a new storefront trying to become one of the main launchers in an open platform like PC, while going directly against a well known market leader with a big user base. So they are investing millions into handing out free games in an attempt to get people to download and install the launcher as well as giving users a free library of games so they already have a level of attachment to the service.

The other 2 are well established services with millions of monthly paying users on closed platforms where they are literally the only option available while simultaneously being mandatory for users who want to play multiplayer stuff (except F2P stuff on Ps4)

 

[Bonfires Down]

I don't think the Sony and MS offerings are that bad considering 90+% of subscribers only pay because of the online.

 

[ManaByte]

90% of which are fake or emails activated unknowingly.

Nah, they're Fortnite players.

 

[TUROK]

This thread just reminded me to get ready for extreme disappointment when the GWG titles become public in a few days...

Games With Gold: Last Chance For These Free Xbox One Games For October 2019

Xbox Live Gold members have more free Xbox One and Xbox 360 games up for grabs in October.

www.gamespot.com

Lel

 

[Stiflers Mom]

PS+ was really something different in PS3 times.

Now that everybody needs to be subscribed anyway, it's just some breadcrumbs for the poor most of the time.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

40% of the Epicis owned by a Chinese mega corp... That's how.

 

[FMXVII]

Because Fortnite is a thing.

Inexplicably.

 

[lyan]

Those big Tencent dollars go a long way

Also lol at the clickbait tag, was that intentional?

at this point it is pretty much the opposite, epic is paying tencent with their fornite money as dividends.

 

[Mattyp]

The Epic store has over 100 million users, and 40% of them don’t use Steam?

Where did you get this information? This is astonishing, if true - and pretty much negates most of the arguments I’m seeing above.

From Epic themselves - https://www.pcgamer.com/au/40-percent-of-epic-games-store-users-say-they-dont-have-steam/

It's actually 85 million my mistake but that was after 4 months and news in March, swear I read an updated number of 100 million but can't find it at the moment.

Just because they have a large amount of active users does not correlate to sales or any other meaningful figure.

Actually, Epic stated during GDC 2019 that only 5% of their userbase downloads their free games.

If only 5% can be bothered to download their free games, how many do you think are actively buying games?

Why do you care how many users download their free games or buy their games? But here's some stats we had on the very first game they offered and Metro outselling their steam launch 2.5.

Metro Exodus on Epic Store outsells its predecessor on Steam -- but what does that tell us?

Deep Silver's Metro Exodus sold 2.5 times as many copies on the Epic Games Store during its launch window than its pred…

www.gamesindustry.biz

"Epic has been promoting a free game every two weeks; the first one (Subnautica) was downloaded more than 4.5 million times, and the second game (Slime Rancher) is on course to beat that. It's certainly pulling in a decent number of players."

In terms of what are they closing in on Valve?

Users.

90% of which are fake or emails activated unknowingly.

So epic registers fake accounts themselves or people are signing up other peoples emails and hoping they activate them? I'm unsure how any of this makes sense. They have 250 million registered Fortnite accounts.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

The newest games they give out are indie games, not 60 dollar games. Last month PS+ gave us Darksiders III which released last fall. Epic is doing what they can to convince people it's worth using their store and if Borderlands 3 sales are any indicator it's working.

 

[MMaRsu]

Why do I care? oh man this is your argument now? Forget it.

 

[Burger]

To quote the Simpsons... "I didn't get rich by writing cheques"

 

[MMaRsu]

Also regarding your metro bullcrap

This says enough

It was a significantly more ambitious release than previous Metro titles, and so it would be expected to sell better.

 

[bad guy]

EGS just wants to make people happy with free games. They are the good guys. You should try Fortnite it's the best game ever.

 

[Mista]

It’s part of their marketing and making a name for themselves among the other launchers. PS+ and Xbox Gold used to give lots of great games but now it’s hit or miss.

 

[Neo_GAF]

Iam on mac, half of the free games on epic/steam cant be used. Despite that i still buy the humble bundle/ get the games in the EGS.
SONY/MS started to not give a fuck anymore. Being companies starting trends now they simply stopped caring because they have their audience.

I have to admit, that thanks to too many games i barely check the acquired games from the stores/ps+/gwg.

The pile of shame is increasing each week, real life takes a toll on you, so when do you have the time to play through all of those?

 

[DarkestHour]

I actually don't see much difference between the Epic games and PS+/XBLG games. They're either old or Indies.

1. You don't have to pay ANYTHING for these games unlike Sony/Microsoft
2. These are weekly, not monthly

I dislike what Epic is doing for exclusivity but damn do I love the free games. It's even more awesome as a dad because my older son can play games and I don't have to spend a penny.

 

[Deleted member 738976]

They are the good guys. You should try Fortnite it's the best game ever.

But you're a "bad guy" why should we believe you?

 

[llien]

Metro 2033

Just grabbed it, thanks!

 

[Woo-Fu]

One of them is using money to generate consumers.
The other one is using consumers to generate money.

Guess which is indefinitely sustainable?

 

[alabtrosMyster]

One of them is using money to generate consumers.
The other one is using consumers to generate money.

Guess which is indefinitely sustainable?

I don't think Epic will do this forever, obviously, or maybe they will be able to make enough money from games sales to keep doing it (long therm... but I doubt it.

However as of now, as a player I really appreciate what they are doing - if you want to give me something in order to get my future business I'm all for it.

Once you try to remove Steam from the picture and watch what's left, on the other hand, it becomes even more transparent what other movie trope Epic actually incarnates here: it's the billionaire bully coming to town and trying to buy out or chase away half of its inhabitants, with the goal to realize his giant mall with parking lot.
In fact among all the stores in the PC space, Steam is the least likely to be heavily effect by Epic's cancerous expansion strategy. Guys like CDP with GOG will be challenged way more harshly.

One is a new storefront trying to become one of the main launchers in an open platform like PC, while going directly against a well known market leader with a big user base.

Yes, and I think their strategy might just work, this is what happens when a market becomes stale, a new competitor that can disrupt it can jump in and force the changes that are necessary - this is very healthy.

I don't think the Sony and MS offerings are that bad considering 90+% of subscribers only pay because of the online.

I cut my PS+ subscription early after the PS4 was released because I figured that the monthly games were not interesting anymore, and I don't like recurring bills.

So epic registers fake accounts themselves or people are signing up other peoples emails and hoping they activate them? I'm unsure how any of this makes sense. They have 250 million registered Fortnite accounts.

From Epic themselves - https://www.pcgamer.com/au/40-percent-of-epic-games-store-users-say-they-dont-have-steam/

It's actually 85 million my mistake but that was after 4 months and news in March, swear I read an updated number of 100 million but can't find it at the moment.

These are interesting bits of information, I was just focusing on the games.

I dislike what Epic is doing for exclusivity but damn do I love the free games. It's even more awesome as a dad because my older son can play games and I don't have to spend a penny.

I see why people are annoyed by this, but given what they are trying to do it makes sense to have an "incentive" package for people to pay attention to their online store.

 

[lukilladog]

Why do you care how many users download their free games or buy their games? But here's some stats we had on the very first game they offered and Metro outselling their steam launch 2.5.

Not this again, the game had a ton of preorders on steam and for some reason they had to drop the Epic exclusivity and go to the windows store, that´s not what you would expect to see from a succesful exclusivity deal.

 

[yurinka]

It's just marketing. They want to create a pool of users who aren't just Fortnite players. Instead of investing in paid ads, they pay devs to put there games for free. The more desperate you are for bringing players, the more valuable is the free stuff you give away. In this case it costs way less money to Epic than what should cost to MS to put brand new AAA games at launch in Gamepass.

 

[johntown]

When a company like Epic has lots of extra money from Fortnite and Unreal Engine and they use none of it to improve their store that leaves plenty of money to give away games for free and pay millions for exclusivity deals to get all the bottom feeders and people who don't really care about their gaming experience to their store.

 

[Generic]

Microsoft does have a $2 game pass. Sony is too comfortable to bother. Be ready to pay $60 for a game, slave.

- PS+ being mandatory for multiplayer is bullshit, but to claim it used to be better for free games before the subscription model is at very least bizarre.

They used to give 4 games a month though. They increased the price and reduced to 2 games.

When a company like Epic has lots of extra money from Fortnite and Unreal Engine and they use none of it to improve their store that leaves plenty of money to give away games for free and pay millions for exclusivity deals to get all the bottom feeders and people who don't really care about their gaming experience to their store.

What's a 'gaming experience'?

 

[demigod]

Why do I care? oh man this is your argument now? Forget it.

Lol mattyp losing an argument and now making up excuses and posting bs news as facts, classic. Those metro sales were from Steam as well.

 

[Harlock]

You can bet.

 

[synchronicity]

 

[JCK75]

For the same reason Pedophiles give out free candy from their Vans while regular people make you buy your own candy or wait for Halloween.

 

[johntown]

What's a 'gaming experience'?

It is related to the features that the majority of digital stores have except EGS.

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

Dat fortnite skins money.

 

[Generic]

It is related to the features that the majority of digital stores have except EGS.

How do these things affect the games?

 

[johntown]

How do these things affect the games?

 

[bee]

Why do you care how many users download their free games or buy their games? But here's some stats we had on the very first game they offered and Metro outselling their steam launch 2.5.

https://tv.streamfabriken.com/thq-nordic-q5-2019? @ 44.40

he's really positive about those sales, listen to that confidence!

 

[Generic]

Not being able to post a review of the game won't make the game worse.

 

[zcaa0g]

One is desperate, the other two are not.

 

[Graciaus]

How do these things affect the games?

You should ask that to the people who lost their saves in Borderlands 3 because of Epic's cloud saves.

 

[Fuz]

if Borderlands 3 sales are any indicator it's working

Why, how much did it sell on PC, exactly?

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Why, how much did it sell on PC, exactly?

Wow, you really got me good here. "According to 2K, it's the highest-selling PC game in the publisher's history and broke preorder records with the Epic Games Store" - what exact numbers are required to qualify this as a success?

 

[Fuz]

Wow, you really got me good here. "According to 2K, it's the highest-selling PC game in the publisher's history and broke preorder records with the Epic Games Store" - what exact numbers are required to qualify this as a success?

Again, I don't see tim gloating on twitter. I'm convinced it sold much less than expected.


EDIT: Oh, hi there: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/67756/borderlands-3-sales-milestone-causes-stocks-dip/index.html

 

[Graciaus]

Wow, you really got me good here. "According to 2K, it's the highest-selling PC game in the publisher's history and broke preorder records with the Epic Games Store" - what exact numbers are required to qualify this as a success?

That's actually not what they said though. You forgot the 5 day part which is important for the PR spin. The game sold in 5 million to stores not through to customers. 2k Games actually haven't released a lot of games if you look into it. Similar things were said about Mafia 3 when it came out. BL2 on Steam sold over 10 million over the years but it didn't have huge sales at first. The platform breakdown was also never mentioned to further hide sales.

Preorder does not equal a sale. The only competition is Metro which also under performed. But but but Metro did 2.5x. Also another PR spin with half truths. The game it is compared to is the original which sold poorly not the remake.

The parent company of 2k stock dropped almost 5% after these numbers were released. You can't spin half truths to investors.

If the game sold millions on PC Randy and Tim would never let everyone hear the end of it and how stupid we are.

 

[MMaRsu]

Wow, you really got me good here. "According to 2K, it's the highest-selling PC game in the publisher's history and broke preorder records with the Epic Games Store" - what exact numbers are required to qualify this as a success?

Wow it broke preorder records on the epic store? so what? What other "big" game was on there before?

Highest selling in pc history within 5 days is what they said, not of all time.

 

[Gargus]

Because epics strategy isn't viable in the long term. It is epic throwing tons of money into attracting people to their store and once new signups level off they will stop.

They have fortnite money right now and unreal engine licensure so they can afford to just shovel cash into drawing people in. It's a short term solution and nothing more.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Oh man... the shareholders? Those people always do things that make sense.

Activision Blizzard Stock Drops Despite ‘Call of Duty: Black Ops 4’ Launch Day Record

InvestorPlace - Stock Market News, Stock Advice & Trading TipsActivision Blizzard stock was down on Monday despite the company announcing good.

www.nasdaq.com

Also not sure why people are trying to correct my language like I'm not quoting other sources...

Borderlands 3 officially the fastest-selling game in 2K history

Take that, Epic Games haters

www.techradar.com

Borderlands 3 is 2K's best-selling PC game

Based on its first five days.

www.pcgamer.com

‘Borderlands 3’ Sells Five Million Copies in Five Days, Becomes Fastest-Selling Game in 2K’s History

To the surprise of fans (well, not really), 2K and Gearbox’s Borderlands 3 (which we reviewed here) has not only sold a lot of copies, it’s sold five million of them in the past five days. On top of that, the game has now become 2K’s fastest-selling game in their history. In spite of making […]

bloody-disgusting.com

Borderlands® 3 Redefines Mayhem; Establishes Franchise as Billion Dollar Global Brand | Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc.

Latest installment in genre-defining, shooter-looter series sold-in more than 5 million units within first five days of launch, making Borderlands 3 the fastest-selling title in 2K history and highest-selling title for the label on PC NEW YORK --(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sep.

ir.take2games.com

 

[Slings and Arrows]

How long will it last though?

Microsoft and Sony have been giving out free shit, every month for freaking years.

Epic has done it what, three times?

 

[Explosive Zombie]

How long will it last though?

Microsoft and Sony have been giving out free shit, every month for freaking years.

Epic has done it what, three times?

I have 37 games that I got free from Epic Game Store so far, and I've missed weeks.

 

[xrnzaaas]

Epic really needs to fight for new customers - they have amazing free offerings.
Xbox needs to fight for new customers - they have great "free" offerings.
Sony could use new customers, but it's not desperate - they have meh "free" offerings.

Oh and Nintendo is still in the stage of learning what Internet is.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Epic really needs to fight for new customers - they have amazing free offerings.
Xbox needs to fight for new customers - they have great "free" offerings.
Sony could use new customers, but it's not desperate - they have meh "free" offerings.

Epic is the only one with free offerings, I've never given them a dime.