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[RagnarokIV]

Did I fuck up?

Just traded my RTX 4070 with a friend for his (new) 7900 XTX (yes XTX, not XT)

He’s more interested in DLSS so I figured sure, if it doesn’t work out I can sell the card.

Just installed it now!

 

[winjer]

Did I fuck up?

Just traded my RTX 4070 with a friend for his (new) 7900 XTX (yes XTX, not XT)

He’s more interested in DLSS so I figured sure, if it doesn’t work out I can sell the card.

Just installed it now!

If it was a 4070 Super or a Ti, there could be an argument that you made a bad deal. But a base 4070 is much slower than a 7900XTX.
At 4K for example, the 7900XTX is close to 60% faster in rasterization.
DLSS is a big advantage. But XeSS 1.3 is also very good. And FSR 3.1 looks very promising.
The 7900XTX does use significantly more power, but with an undervolt, you can narrow the difference.

 

[RagnarokIV]

If it was a 4070 Super or a Ti, there could be an argument that you made a bad deal. But a base 4070 is much slower than a 7900XTX.
At 4K for example, the 7900XTX is close to 60% faster in rasterization.
DLSS is a big advantage. But XeSS 1.3 is also very good. And FSR 3.1 looks very promising.
The 7900XTX does use significantly more power, but with an undervolt, you can narrow the difference.

Yes buddy, was standard 4070.

I’ll try a few games. I’ve already been told to skip FSR and use XESS.

Out of curiosity though I was just trying cyberpunk and Christ FSR is SHIT. Misty’s hair was a mess.

 

[winjer]

Yes buddy, was standard 4070.

I’ll try a few games. I’ve already been told to skip FSR and use XESS.

Out of curiosity though I was just trying cyberpunk and Christ FSR is SHIT. Misty’s hair was a mess.

With some games you might have to swap the XeSS dll to the newer 1.3 version.
I'm not sure CP 2077 already has 1.3

 

[RagnarokIV]

With some games you might have to swap the XeSS dll to the newer 1.3 version.
I'm not sure CP 2077 already has 1.3

Wow thanks I didn’t realize that.

I’ll try and drop in the newer .dll

 

[hinch7]

Did I fuck up?

Just traded my RTX 4070 with a friend for his (new) 7900 XTX (yes XTX, not XT)

He’s more interested in DLSS so I figured sure, if it doesn’t work out I can sell the card.

Just installed it now!

What. Man.. he certainly got the short end of the stick with that lol wth. Unless he needs it for work or Ai thats a massive downgrade on his part.

The 4070 is decent, if baseline for playing current games in 1440P. It isn't that great in Ray Tracing (around a 3080, if that) and Path tracing well, lets say its not worth it on that GPU even with DLSS 3. The 7900XTX is significantly faster in most titles. So much so that having DLSS on won't counter that in most cases. The 7900XTX can easily play the latest games in 4K no problem. There's an update for FSR soon what should improive it a lot and in most Ray tracing titles the XTX will likely come ahead. Unless it has lots of RT effects like CP2077 and Alan Wake 2. Which are few and far between.

Trading in a high end GPU with 24GB VRAM with one half that and much slower is insane. If he's happy with it though, then you got a crazy good deal.

 

[winjer]

Wow thanks I didn’t realize that.

I’ll try and drop in the newer .dll

Also remember that the 7900XTX has a 60% advantage over then 4070.
So you can play native and still have a 30% performance advantage.

Don't forget to enable SAM for that GPU. AMD works much better with rebar than nvidia.
On your motherboard bios, you need to enable Above 4g Decoding and Rebar Support.
Then on the AMD control panel, enable SAM.

 

[RagnarokIV]

What. Man.. he certainly got the short end of the stick with that lol wth. Unless he needs it for work or Ai thats a massive downgrade on his part.

The 4070 is decent, if baseline for playing current games in 1440P. It isn't that great in Ray Tracing (around a 3080, if that) and Path tracing well, lets say its not worth it on that GPU even with DLSS 3. The 7900XTX is significantly faster in most titles. So much so that having DLSS on won't counter that in most cases. The 7900XTX can easily play the latest games in 4K no problem. There's an update for FSR soon what should improive it a lot and in most Ray tracing titles the XTX will likely come ahead. Unless it has lots of RT effects like CP2077 and Alan Wake 2. Which are few and far between.

Trading in a high end GPU with 24GB VRAM with one half that and much slower is insane. If he's happy with it though, then you got a crazy good deal.

I'm not mugging him off haha, I've known him for over 15 years.
He barely plays games and mainly pisses about. His account shows things like The Last Of Us having less than 1 hour playtime.

He basically bought a flagship card, run a few games at max for 20 minutes each and then got bored and wanted to trade so he can do the same 20 minutes but with ray tracing.

He has too much time to kill and short attention.

Also remember that the 7900XTX has a 60% advantage over then 4070.
So you can play native and still have a 30% performance advantage.

Don't forget to enable SAM for that GPU. AMD works much better with rebar than nvidia.
On your motherboard bios, you need to enable Above 4g Decoding and Rebar Support.
Then on the AMD control panel, enable SAM.

Thanks, I already had them enabled. I'm on a 13600k, so hopefully I'm not missing out on much by not being full AMD.


edit:

I guess my post here has stung me:

NSFW - Analysis - Hardware - NVIDIA RTX 4090 is 300% Faster than AMD’s RX 7900 XTX in Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty Overdrive Mode, 500% Faster with Frame Gen

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidia-rtx-4090-is-300-faster-than-amds-rx-7900-xtx-in-cyberpunk-2077-phantom-liberty-overdrive-mode-500-faster-with-frame-gen/ Yes, this is with RT Overdrive, the new full path tracing RT lighting system in Cyberpunk 2077. It's the same path tracing tech...

www.neogaf.com

 

[hinch7]

I'm not mugging him off haha, I've known him for over 15 years.
He barely plays games and mainly pisses about. His account shows things like The Last Of Us having less than 1 hour playtime.

He basically bought a flagship card, run a few games at max for 20 minutes each and then got bored and wanted to trade so he can do the same 20 minutes but with ray tracing.

He has too much time to kill and short attention.



Thanks, I already had them enabled. I'm on a 13600k, so hopefully I'm not missing out on much by not being full AMD.


edit:

I guess my post here has stung me:

NSFW - Analysis - Hardware - NVIDIA RTX 4090 is 300% Faster than AMD’s RX 7900 XTX in Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty Overdrive Mode, 500% Faster with Frame Gen

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidia-rtx-4090-is-300-faster-than-amds-rx-7900-xtx-in-cyberpunk-2077-phantom-liberty-overdrive-mode-500-faster-with-frame-gen/ Yes, this is with RT Overdrive, the new full path tracing RT lighting system in Cyberpunk 2077. It's the same path tracing tech...

www.neogaf.com

Fair play. Doesn't look like he's going to miss it and gets to try out some DLSS and Ray tracing. The 7900XTX is a beast of a card. Enjoy.

Talking about the XTX.. for those in the old Blighty you can get it for £767, which is an insane deal. From Ebuyer's Ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404451749207?siteid=3&customid=2682243040&toolid=10001 with 20% off code.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Did I fuck up?

Just traded my RTX 4070 with a friend for his (new) 7900 XTX (yes XTX, not XT)

He’s more interested in DLSS so I figured sure, if it doesn’t work out I can sell the card.

Just installed it now!

Please tell me this is a joke. The 7900XTX absolutely wipes the floor with the 4070. DLSS and FG are VERY nice features, but they won't come remotely close to overcoming the advantage in raw performance the 7900XTX has. It will only get better once FSR 3.1 comes. If not, XeSS is just as awesome to fall back on.

If it was a 4070 Super or a Ti, there could be an argument that you made a bad deal. But a base 4070 is much slower than a 7900XTX.
At 4K for example, the 7900XTX is close to 60% faster in rasterization.
DLSS is a big advantage. But XeSS 1.3 is also very good. And FSR 3.1 looks very promising.
The 7900XTX does use significantly more power, but with an undervolt, you can narrow the difference.

The 7900 XTX is competitive in raw performance past the 4080. Now, you could argue that the DLSS/FG advantages on a 4080 overtake the 7900XTX. But anyone with a 7900XTX should not trade down to get anything less than 4080. DLSS and FG are VERY nice features that AMD has a ways to go to play catch up on, but the newest XeSS has shrunk the DLSS gap in a way that FSR has yet to do so.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Fair play. Doesn't look like he's going to miss it and gets to try out some DLSS and Ray tracing. The 7900XTX is a beast of a card. Enjoy.

Talking about the XTX.. for those in the old Blighty you can get it for £767, which is an insane deal. From Ebuyer's Ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404451749207?siteid=3&customid=2682243040&toolid=10001 with 20% off code.

yeah, Radeon GPUs have some quite good deals going right now and if (that's a VERY VERY big IF) FSR 3.1 can drastically improve the 7900 XTX will likely last longer than any non-4080 GPU.

 

[MikeM]

PC tower gained a buddy

 

[winjer]

Please tell me this is a joke. The 7900XTX absolutely wipes the floor with the 4070. DLSS and FG are VERY nice features, but they won't come remotely close to overcoming the advantage in raw performance the 7900XTX has. It will only get better once FSR 3.1 comes. If not, XeSS is just as awesome to fall back on.

The 7900 XTX is competitive in raw performance past the 4080. Now, you could argue that the DLSS/FG advantages on a 4080 overtake the 7900XTX. But anyone with a 7900XTX should not trade down to get anything less than 4080. DLSS and FG are VERY nice features that AMD has a ways to go to play catch up on, but the newest XeSS has shrunk the DLSS gap in a way that FSR has yet to do so.

yes, but that user was trading a 4070. Not a 4080.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

what do you guys use to debloat windows? ive had it with these copilot and chat gpt ads windows is pushing lately

Try winaero tweaker.

Winaero Tweaker

The ultimate all-in-one tweaker for Windows 11, Windows 10, Windows 8, and Windows 7.

winaerotweaker.com

Never seen an ad or whatever else everyone's always complaining about.

 

[hinch7]

yeah, Radeon GPUs have some quite good deals going right now and if (that's a VERY VERY big IF) FSR 3.1 can drastically improve the 7900 XTX will likely last longer than any non-4080 GPU.

True AMD reacted to the DGPU market for RDNA 2 and 3. GPU prices are finally getting lower in the low to mid tier; with mid range SKU launches and refreshes this year. Which is needed rn. 7800XT/7900GRE, plus XT and XTX are actually worth their value. While Geforce stuff still a little to really overpriced for what they are. Especially this late in the life cycle.

But yeah, if FSR improves a lot I can see a bigger shift towards AMD GPU's outside the flagships and enthusiasts that don't mind plonking down the cash for them. If FSR 3.1 reaches XeSS quality I think thats good enough for most people. And bigger improvements and directly competing with DLSS would be even better. Really interested when they release RDNA 4, and what it brings to the table. Better value if anything. If it reaches within 10-15% of the 7900XT for $450, or less.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

yes, but that user was trading a 4070. Not a 4080.

You said a 4070 Ti might make it a bad deal. That is wrong. The 4080 is the only instance where it would be a bad deal. The 4070 Ti Super closes that gap a bit with 4 extra GB of memory and a 256-bit bus.

Still I think 7900 XTX is a better GPU than the 4070 Ti Super, but not by much. I wouldn't deal with the hassle of a trade for that GPU.

Trading a 4070 Super or non-super for a 7900 XTX is just straight up highway robbery.

 

[Jordoon]

I hummed and hawed last fall about building a new PC. Ended up buying and putting everything together in November minus the GPU. Ordered the 4070 Ti Super back in February. Build went perfectly, overclocked the ram right away, system runs quiet and cool.

Only weird thing that happens is once every maybe 10 boot ups it'll take like 60 seconds to boot. Otherwise boots to windows in less than 10.

Grabbed a Dell G2724D 1440p 165Hz monitor as well. Coming from 1080p 60Hz it's quite the difference.

Link with pics

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($449.99)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.90)
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard ($179.99)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($144.97)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($159.97)
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($1149.99)
Case: Lian Li O11 Air Mini ATX Mid Tower Case ($149.99)
Power Supply: MSI MPG A850G PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($169.99)
Total: $2451.79 CAD

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I hummed and hawed last fall about building a new PC. Ended up buying and putting everything together in November minus the GPU. Ordered the 4070 Ti Super back in February. Build went perfectly, overclocked the ram right away, system runs quiet and cool.

Only weird thing that happens is once every maybe 10 boot ups it'll take like 60 seconds to boot. Otherwise boots to windows in less than 10.

Grabbed a Dell G2724D 1440p 165Hz monitor as well. Coming from 1080p 60Hz it's quite the difference.

Link with pics

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($449.99)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.90)
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard ($179.99)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($144.97)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($159.97)
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($1149.99)
Case: Lian Li O11 Air Mini ATX Mid Tower Case ($149.99)
Power Supply: MSI MPG A850G PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($169.99)
Total: $2451.79 CAD

Stay away from that Asrock motherboard. Get the B650M-HDV/M.2 instead. Much better motherboard.

Its the only mobo that Steve praises.

 

[manfestival]

My second attempt to pick parts for my first ever PC build (my son whats to game on a PC). Please let me know what your thoughts are. The total is € 3.190,20

Case: NZXT H7 Elite RGB (Black, Standaard (without RGB)	€ 184,90
Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D	€ 394,00
Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI	€ 219,90
Cooling: NZXT Kraken 240 RGB (Black)	€ 169,90
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER (MSI GAMING X SLIM)	€ 1.199,00
Memory: Kingston FURY Renegade RGB DDR5 (32GB, Black/Silver)	€ 154,90
SSD1: Samsung 990 PRO (2 TB)	€ 189,90
SSD2: Samsung 990 PRO (1 TB)	€ 129,90
Third SSD: None	€ 0,00
Power: be quiet! Dark Power 13 850W	€ 254,90
Cables: Lian Li Strimer Plus V2 24-pin & 16-12	€ 134,90
Software: Windows 11 Pro (Dutch)	€ 59,00
Building costs:	€ 99,00

That is one fantastic computer you are getting there for your son. He is very fortunate. Maybe the biggest thing is that hopefully you aren't buying all of that for him to be bottlenecked by having some garbage monitor.

 

[Rossco EZ]

Just ordered two Noctua NF-A12’s in black to replace the fans on my peerless assassin 120, started to notice a humming tone recently coming from the two included thermalright fans that came with the cooler. Hoping the Noctua are as quiet as people say they are

 

[MikeM]

Welp- one of my FC120 Deepcool case fans isn’t working properly now. Decided to ditch RGB and replace all those with some Arctic P14 Max fans. Heard good things about them and shoild help my 7900xt stay cooler.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Wow, I'm so jealous of microcenter deals. Fuck you american friends

Slap a 4070 super with this and you have a quite cheap PC.

~$1500 full build I estimate.

 

[manfestival]

Wow, I'm so jealous of microcenter deals. Fuck you american friends

Slap a 4070 super with this and you have a quite cheap PC.

~$1500 full build I estimate.

As an American, I also wish I had these deals.

 

[Rossco EZ]

Wow, I'm so jealous of microcenter deals. Fuck you american friends

Slap a 4070 super with this and you have a quite cheap PC.

~$1500 full build I estimate.

cpu alone is £330 in uk

 

[hinch7]

cpu alone is £330 in uk

Can get it on Aliexpress for considerably cheaper, but its a risk. Even though ordering directly from their supported sellers on their 'Choice' selection.