*looks at the list, ctrl-f "nier"* -> laughs
there's no such thing as an instant classic
*looks at the list, ctrl-f "nier"* -> laughs
Xenoblade is
World of Warcraft should easily be top 3. There probably is no other game at all more widely appreciated and played than it so consistently and by so many. Hate on it all you want, but it is fun before you hit 300 days played and its sales and activity prove it.
I don't think any of those FF games should be top 10 (or even 50). FF games do not stand the test of time particularly well. Their mechanics are simple and boring. People play them and still say they are best due to two factors: nostalgia and hype. There are other games which are far better designed and far more fun than them. They just happen to be a part of a long list of copycats that at some point become more of the same and not as special. There's simply no way that the games of olde could stand up to today's gameplay mechanics. There's a reason no one produces big budget 2d RPGs anymore. It's because those games aren't better than what we have today.
The main point I try to make is that the list of top 10 RPGs should probably come from this console generation and last generation. Before that, consoles were incapable of making gameplay that is even remotely compelling by today's standards. At least not as anything other than XBLA games and the like. I'm sure some of you will disagree with that, and a few of you may actually feel what you purport to feel, but most of you don't play old RPGs because....they suck.
So Ultima IV is the best Ultima eh? Seems to be true that they meant most influential than best...
Mario RPG.............. Wow. What is the worst Mario RPG series doing above the superior Paper Mario and Mario& Luigi.
:/ The gap between Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door is ridiculously large.
Correction, fuck SMRPG
Hmm okay, respect for putting Mass Effect 1 in the top 10. I loved that game and I believe it's the best in the series, not least the best RPG.
Pokemon RBGY should have been BW though... I mean, its just better. I guess there's something to be said for simplicity in a handheld RPG, so that might have a lot of weight.
Birth by Sleep surpassed it, it's just a much more varied game.Word Kingdom Hearts is on there. I approve of this list.
Awful list. Morrowind and Deus-Ex should be #1 and #2 respectively.
Awful list. Morrowind and Deus-Ex should be #1 and #2 respectively.
No Dragon Warrior 3 ?
Awful list. Morrowind and Deus-Ex should be #1 and #2 respectively.
Wow, did you really say old rpgs suck? Graphics are not the only important thing about rpgs. A game like FF6 got me emotionally more involved than any rpg released this gen.
Btw, didn't know FF4 had such a following but still, discussions are dominated by FF6-FF10 and everything inbetween.
These lists really need to take the nostalgia goggles off. Dragon Warrior / Quest beating out Xenoblade? Sure, Dragon Warrior was a hell of a game back in the day, and it got me into rpgs, but come on. There's no reason for it's high spot in this day.
WTF is this shit!
Panzer Dragoon Saga is not anywhere to be found in the entire list!
are you kidding me?
Panzer Dragoon Saga is pretty hard to get hold of.
Mass effect 1 being at 9 is a joke.
Placing Phantasy Star at 96 meant I don't give a shit about this list.
Should be top 10, top 20 minimum.
Number one for me obviously, it was the game that introduced me to RPGs (Ok so maybe I am bias)
I disagree.
While myself not having played xenoblade yet I really have to say that Dragon Quest is really well made.
Are you talking about just in a tech sense?
Not in a tech sense, but rather these lists should be comprised of what games are actually top, and not games that were at the peak in their era.
I won't argue that DW wasn't great when it was released, because it was and I played it for countless hours. It's just that if you stack DW up against more modern rpgs, In my opinion it no longer comes close to standing out.
It still stands out to me.
I played Dragon Quest II for the first time well after the likes of FFVI, Chrono Trigger, etc. had been released and still enjoyed it.
I think the original Dragon Warrior is still crazy fun. I actually managed to get a friend into it that had never played classic RPGs, but was a fan of the modern genre. It's high up on his list now.
It's really well designed, and has its own charms.
That one actually is much more enjoyable than the first. It brought a lot of improvements to the genre, and yes, is still quite fun today. In fact I just played through and beat it again about a year ago. I'd place it much higher on a list than part 1, if the first even made the cut onto my list