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Danjin44
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Balducci30
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I can’t get into roguelikes at all. I hope this changes that. Keeping an open mind but that element is a bit of a bummer
Hudo
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I bet you that it won't be nearly as good as the System Shock games. Especially not System Shock 2.
GymWolf
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I like my immersive sims experience to be a classic one like dishonored.
Never played mooncrash.
But i'm gonna keep an eye on this one.
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Toots
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Ghost in the shell manga came out in 1989 in Japan, Cyberpunk pen and paper rpg came out 1988 in the US.
Both owe a lot to post golden age sci fi authors, particularly William Gibson and his book Neuromancer.
Ghost in the shell had a lot of vg adaptations like stand alone complex, i don't think any was very good.
"System shock underwater, in space"
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True!
I think it clicked for me. Judas is a big budget Void Bastards or Prey MoonCrash, with a reactive narrative. Both rogue-lite ImSims. I'm in!
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i had to stop watching
Regginator
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I'm so thirsty for a new BioShock and immersive sims in general that I'm interested in this purely based on just Levine's name, but I'm not gonna lie, if there's one thing that can deflate my enthusiasm in a game, it's "rogue-like". Deliberately not watching any videos or whatever in case this turns out actually good, but from the time being I'll just see it when it gets here.
M1chl
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You mean <100, right?
rhodesianshepard
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Derp
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Look, Bioshock is still an incredible shooter. Infinite was flawed but ambitious especially for its time. You can imagine if it had the tech and time to pull off the open world design it aimed for, it could have been something landmark (but fair enough because they didn't achieve that).
And to be fair, this is really the third game of this scope he's led, as I don't count Bioshock 2.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
"Rogue like"
I trust in Ken Levine, but yeah, this hit me like a bucket of cold water
The Hades revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the handcrafted level design industry.Roguelite with procedurally generated levels
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Making a roguelike is quite possibly one of the most risk averse genres and it has ballooned to bring the template design for 50% of the indie projects that have released post 2020. Like, we have way too many of them now, to such an extent where God of war has its own roguelite mode.
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Men_in_Boxes
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There's 0 AAA roguelites in existence. Being the first is a big risk. I also think SP suffers mightily from a lack of consequences for the player.
nemiroff
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Roguelike/Roguelite indie ≠ Roguelike elements in a AAA game
This context is so obvious we shouldn't even need to spell it out.
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samoilaaa
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its funny because most of these "gamers" that say omg roguelike , omg precedurally generated , game will be trash , i bet they didnt even listen to 10 min of the interview
they just read a couple of words from a summary and think they know how the game will be
its sad that people arnt smarter than that
Hugare
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Sorry for doubting about this game success when the best immersive sims from the past have been made with meticulously level design in mind.
In words, what he says is amazing. But creating an experience of the likes of Bioshock, System Shock or Dishonored II with a system that randomly pulls the best level suitable for you on the go?
Right now,
Would love to be proven wrong tho
AeonGaidenRaiden
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So because there isnt official AAA roguelite games, this is somehow going to be something different just because its AAA lol...whats the difference between Indie and AAA, like higher budget...rougelite is gonna be roguelite, nothing new here. Also, what is Returnal then if not AAA roguelite? Control? No thanks to the procedural BS versus actual quality writing. Yes I did watch the whole interview and it sounded same as BS Kojima was giving about his "stranding gameplay" thats gonna be something new in gaming. Nobody implemented it because...it was already in games, its a FedEx simulator. Any time a developer says they gonna make something never before seen, can only roll my eyes thanks to amazing successes from John Romero & Peter Molyneux with their "visionary new gamep;ay".
Chuck Berry
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Knowing this is a rogueshit just deflates any hype I had for this
And Bioshock 1 and Infinite are some of my favorites of all time
And Bioshock 1 and Infinite are some of my favorites of all time
GymWolf
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Stop being ignorant.
FunkMiller
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Decent sum up here from Ralph.
This is definitely my kind of game. Levine swings for the narrative fences, and even when he’s not entirely successful, it always makes for a compelling game.
This is definitely my kind of game. Levine swings for the narrative fences, and even when he’s not entirely successful, it always makes for a compelling game.
Men_in_Boxes
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Worried about 2 things...
1. All the combat so far is "We put 1 or 2 enemies twenty feet in front of your face." That combat geography is boring AF.
2. The player choice may end up playing like a Choose Your Own Adventure book. Do you want to go upstairs in the attic or downstairs in the basement? Oh, you chose the basement? There was a monster hiding there and you died. I think the player needs to have degrees of certainty about their choices. Survival games do this great. Not sure if heavy narrative games can do it.
1. All the combat so far is "We put 1 or 2 enemies twenty feet in front of your face." That combat geography is boring AF.
2. The player choice may end up playing like a Choose Your Own Adventure book. Do you want to go upstairs in the attic or downstairs in the basement? Oh, you chose the basement? There was a monster hiding there and you died. I think the player needs to have degrees of certainty about their choices. Survival games do this great. Not sure if heavy narrative games can do it.
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