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June 2008 NPD Sales Data
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Blu-Ray will not be as popular as DVD for a couple reasons.
First of all, there are no significant differences in features between Blu-Ray and DVD. The jump from VHS to DVD added chapter selection and skipping, audio commentary and special features, decreased physical space, the elimination of rewinding for a couple minutes to get to the beginning of a movie, and increased durability. It also offered increased picture and sound quality. Blu-Ray adds... increased picture and sound quality and that's about it.
Second, 90% of consumers are not going to be able to see much difference between a Blu-Ray movie and an upscaled DVD, and half of those who can won't care, and half of those who DO care will care more about the price difference between DVD and Blu-Ray players and movies.
Also, don't look for HDTV adoption rates to jump very much with the end of the analog broadcast signals in the U.S. Those little converter boxes are SUPER popular. Why pay hundreds for a new TV when you can just pay 20 bucks (after the government discount) for a converter box?
First of all, there are no significant differences in features between Blu-Ray and DVD. The jump from VHS to DVD added chapter selection and skipping, audio commentary and special features, decreased physical space, the elimination of rewinding for a couple minutes to get to the beginning of a movie, and increased durability. It also offered increased picture and sound quality. Blu-Ray adds... increased picture and sound quality and that's about it.
Second, 90% of consumers are not going to be able to see much difference between a Blu-Ray movie and an upscaled DVD, and half of those who can won't care, and half of those who DO care will care more about the price difference between DVD and Blu-Ray players and movies.
Also, don't look for HDTV adoption rates to jump very much with the end of the analog broadcast signals in the U.S. Those little converter boxes are SUPER popular. Why pay hundreds for a new TV when you can just pay 20 bucks (after the government discount) for a converter box?
JoshuaJSlone
Member
It's not like people must buy gaming hardware. If the best price out there is too much, sales will be lacking. But evidently those who think it's fair enough still equal or outnumber production numbers.Ryu1999 said:
PS2's sales increased when it dropped from $299, but it sure wasn't from cheaper GameCube having been stealing a significant number of sales, or from suddenly becoming cheaper than Xbox since MS matched the price right away.
The "hasn't seen a lull" is the cause of surprise. Lack of price drop is just another effect.Ryu1999 said:
A fair point, though I doubt any of us here could accurately determine "demand reserve" and "demand rate of increase". DS sold astronomically in Japan for about a year and a half... then in pretty short order dropped to merely great once almost everyone had one.Tmac said:
Well, they didn't become the multi-billionaires we know today by throwing money around like that.Starchasing said:
Look to th eleft; you've been missing that group playing 4:3 SD content stretched out to 16:9.indie85 said:
SecretDestroyer
Banned
Did Wii just overtake the Gamecube's N.A. LTD?
JoshuaJSlone
Member
As of early last year NPD had its US sales at 11.7 million, and Nintendo's shipped number to NA is 12.94 million. I haven't been closely following Wii's Canadian numbers, but they'd need to be 850K over GCN's final LTD for it to match or surpass. However, at going rates it'd be pretty easy for Wii to overtake GCN in NA sometime in the next quarter.SecretDestroyer said:
(Sorry Mexico and other states for not considering you at all.)
SSM25 said:
That's really a technology question. The answer to that depends more on how the technology for DD advances in the next couple of years than it does on anything Disc Media does. If internet speeds and internet structure improves quickly enough, if storage options become cheap enough, and if DD begins to offer the same or better features and benefits than discs can match, discs with be ditched without even a thought.
But what I'm saying is, there are people already switching to DD & Streaming media in preference to disc media, just as there are those switching to HD Discs from SD Discs. It's a race to see which will be adopted faster, and right now the race is closer than some of you seem to think. It's still anybody's game.
ElectricThunder
Member
Random aside, but would anybody happen to have a rough figure at this point as to what the LTD is for Samurai Warriors Katana on Wii? Much obliged if so.
This is been something I've considered too. It happened to DS in Japan. It sold like crazy, and almost out of nowhere, its sales went down to only selling "good".Tmac said:
However, in Japan, DS has outsold PS2 and is still going strong (by normal standards)... WITHOUT A PRICE CUT!
laserbeam said:
Agreed..
Im pretty Sure a game as known as GTA IV - (which is also a Core and casual game)
if on the Wii it would have very long lengs.
Think about it..
+ "about 700 k of users every month only in the US".
Im sure there would be alot of potential GTA buyers.
Not so good buisness decision of Rockstar....
jordan0386
Member
They already spent $100M on PS360.
Who is picking up the check on the Wii version?
Who is picking up the check on the Wii version?
how'd you figure that ?marc^o^ said:
the DS game is easily sidetrack funded, unlike a full blown GTA for the wii ( unless i they port the last gen's engine, ugh..) anyway, GTA4 did a good 6million+ sales on ps360, plus they have the HD engine up and running. the sum of these things is pretty much confirmation its not going to happen.
TheGreatDave
Banned
marc^o^ said:
Not at all.
It's confirmation that Wii may possibly get a GTA spin off game made by a lower team within Rockstar at some point I guess.
milanbaros
Member?
I think July or August will be the last month of supply problems for the Wii. Nintendo said they would be increasing production to 2.4m from 1.8m this month.
It appears NA is the last region to have Wii hardware shortages so this should easily be ended using some of the 600k increase.
It appears NA is the last region to have Wii hardware shortages so this should easily be ended using some of the 600k increase.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
Parl said:
You can't apply that reasoning here, we all know why that happened, DS reached a saturation peak of game systems within that population, which is around 20 million. The saturation peak in the US is about 40 million, which is twice as high and the Wii isn't even halfway there yet.
I think wishful thinking is catching up with some of us, I for one hope the Wii sells as healthily as possible, because it's truly good for this industry.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
F#A#Oo said:
It's strange because finally people are getting what they really want.
For a long time the "Wizard of Oz" has ruled the industry, and that has held it back from growing into a genuinely relevant entity. That is changing now because the companies are realizing the Wizard of Oz isn't the market, that Wizard is the demanding core segment, which is very different from the population at large, which has its own demands.
I personally like the Chinatown idea, if they make it a good game for the wii it could work they have done some work on the ds version so it could be easier to make since they have the concept already i guess.
But on the other side Chinatown could scare away customers because some dont like asian stuff.
Final Conclusion: It should be either something new or GTA IV but it should be good if it isnt good it wont sell.
But on the other side Chinatown could scare away customers because some dont like asian stuff.
Final Conclusion: It should be either something new or GTA IV but it should be good if it isnt good it wont sell.
brain_stew
Member
DataBot said:
San Andreas Stories Wii, surely can't be very far off, especially after announcing a new GTA for the DS of all consoles. Take Two still have a takeover they need to fight off, and a potential 10 million seller must be something they are giving very serious consideration. With the likes of Dead Rising Wii turning up, the precedent is already there.
Godfather Wii was a very interesting interpretation of the free roaming genre, so i'm sure a GTA on Wii could bring a lot to the table.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
shidoshi said:
What was the format rising in popularity alongside DVD at that time that can be compared to digital distribution? It sounds a lot to me like trying to compare the performance of 360 and the PS3 and ignoring the existence of the Wii.
For good or for ill, Digital Distribution has the potential to eat away at Blu-Ray's eventual market penetration. I'm not saying it will, I'm just saying it makes comparison's to the rise of DVD ill fitting.
TheGreatDave
Banned
Scrubking said:
I'd probably bite. It'd be nice to have a new GTA game that includes all the stuff I enjoy in GTA games.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
I think the stronger economy in Europe and its increasing HD adoption rate will certainly help Blu ray. In Japan and the US, people are still not buying HD as fast as some expected and this will likely not change until February 09 when people start justifying replacing their old non-digital TV with a new one. But I think the strength if June's NPD for Sony demonstrates that MGS4 was a system seller and they still have a lot of life left in them. And until I see the same games on Wii that I want to play on PS3 and X360, the Wii is still in a class by itself (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).
AlphaTwo00
Member
The CBC reported June numbers:JoshuaJSlone said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327811
Dalthien said:
DeaconKnowledge
Member
And how does Blu-Ray adoption sell games again? Just curious.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Pachael said:
Ah yes.
I think it's funny that people who talk about Blu-Ray adoption expect people to buy software because the system they bought for movies incidentally pays games, then turn their noses up at Wii gamers for doing it purposely.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Pachael said:
Or maybe, just maybe Blu Ray players price go down and people are going to buy a player and begin seeing the PS3 as a game machine.
DeaconKnowledge said:
Well since the PS3 helped Blu-ray become the standard HD format, Blue-ray has become synonymous with the name Sony and PS3 and not to mention that the PS3 is one of the cheapest and best Blu-ray players in the market that lets you play games as well.
So if Mr. Joe might buy a PS3 to watch his Blu-ray, he might as well try and get some games as well with it since it come with his Blu-ray player. Sony did the same strategy with the PS2 and the DVD, except that the PS3 is $600 when it launched and is still too expensive for mass market adoption.
daegan said:
That Sony seems to have lost all common sense and marketing technique this generation however. Also, LocoRoco? :lol That game flopped. Like many others have said, it would have had a much better fate on DS, despite being done by Sony.
Raw64life said:
Wii Play did 359k in June 08. You seem to have two May 08 numbers up.
goldenpp72
Member
do we even know what gta4 sold this month on 360/ps3?
You mean the same Time-Warner, Comcast and AT&T who are trying to introduce monthly download caps? DD will die real soon once that $14.99 movie comes with a $4.99 download surcharge from Comcast when you can just get the DVD for $16.99.justchris said:
Which would be a real shame.marc^o^ said:
Jammy said:
Yes and all Nintendo franchises would have sold better on the PS2 or Xbox. What's your point again?
TheGreatDave
Banned
Looks like Wii is kinda becoming the home for Guitar Hero even in the first month now.