Mister Wolf
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Upscaling a 720p resolution is not an easy task. There is no magic to solve such a lower resolution, at least for Nintendo to do.
Even 1440p DLSS from a 720p would be satisfactory for me.
Upscaling a 720p resolution is not an easy task. There is no magic to solve such a lower resolution, at least for Nintendo to do.
There's no way they wait until 2024 to release Switch 2.Good old Nintendo- they will NEVER change. Just when we ALL expect them to try compete, even in some small way, with the competition, they go and do the opposite and remain with a weak, underpowered console/handheld unit. Good luck trying to have the Switch as your only console within the next 3 years as the PS5/Series X start flexing their next gen muscles.
If you can't provide 1080p at 60fps then...why bother, really. It's 2021.
Even 1440p DLSS from a 720p would be satisfactory for me.
If it's true then it follows the usual Nintendo pattern, overpriced and underpowered, but with innovation. Still, count me out till they enter the 21st century, or at least port their back catalogue to the PC, I mean, what do they have against the format, people already emulate them all anyway, decent ports with perhaps some new bells and whistles, with modding ability and you cannot lose, people will still buy their consoles en masse for their kids and convenience etc. People want to give Nintendo money, just on their format of choice!720p screen. OLED will mitigate but i mean come on to fuck.
It can't use DLSS. That requires Tensor cores, which RTX cards have hundreds of on chip. Even like 10 Tensor cores would be larger in die area than the entire Tegra X1 chip.I think you guys are looking at this wrong. The Switch could never output to TV without the dock. The previous dock was limited to 1080p. The new dock supports 4K output. The new Switch will obviously have internal hardware that can push the image quality of games past 1080p. Possibly using DLSS.
The dock is just a glorified usb hub. That’s not anything new. All the output processing and power profile control is on the Switch itself. Again, nothing new.Is the dock that comes with the switch 4K capable? If it isn't then this is it.
The dock is just a glorified usb hub. That’s not anything new. All the output processing and power profile control is on the Switch itself. Again, nothing new.
I don't think the USB C port on switch has enough bandwidth for an external GPU.Instead of just upscaling, could the Chip inside of the dock could help getting more calculation power?
Something like a eGPU for example.
Or is it a no, because they are completely different chips?
Btw: do we even have a mobile SoC that is capable of true 4k gaming?
...in a Switch Pro upgrade. Context is important. The Switch was not released in 2021.Yet, just by looking at the ridiculous teeeeeeeeext
Exactly. It will have an upscaling chip, like in a Blu-ray player or a TV, inside the dock, with an HDMI 2.0 port. Its still only gonna render games at 720-1080p.Same form factor handheld sized system with 90%of the inner space occupied by a battery. Cooling fan the size of a Ritz cracker.
$300 price point.
"We expect the Swicth Pro to offer 4K visuals"
Anyone expecting more than 1080p are seriously setting themselves up.
Sorry, I think I got the wrong end of your post, apologies.I know the dock is just a usb-c to hdmi converter. My question was does that converter in the original switch dock support 4K output or does it top out at 1080p?
...in a Switch Pro upgrade. Context is important. The Switch was not released in 2021.
Same. Just give me Nintendo games on a (decently powered) traditional console. But I'm not their target audience.All I was asking for is a normal controller for people with normal hands and a box to connect to my tv. Thanks for nothing as usual nintendo.
To be honest i used to ask myself that years ago when i was younger but have come to realise this:If it's true then it follows the usual Nintendo pattern, overpriced and underpowered, but with innovation. Still, count me out till they enter the 21st century, or at least port their back catalogue to the PC, I mean, what do they have against the format, people already emulate them all anyway, decent ports with perhaps some new bells and whistles, with modding ability and you cannot lose, people will still buy their consoles en masse for their kids and convenience etc. People want to give Nintendo money, just on their format of choice!
You're always going to miss out if you only have one console.Good luck trying to have the Switch as your only console within the next 3 years
A resolution above 720p is useless with a tiny screen. Unless using the display for VR or playing games at one centimeter from the nose.The fuck is this? My last phone came out nearly 10 years ago and it was rocking a 1440p screen.
I suppose you're right, they should do it for the fans though, but I'm not so naive...To be honest i used to ask myself that years ago when i was younger but have come to realise this:
That idea is behind some glass thats says, “break incase of emergency”
While nintendo continue to print money they dont need to.
Let’s see how the developers continue to support the switch. With those ports I expect more old ports and expect more cloud games.Good old Nintendo- they will NEVER change. Just when we ALL expect them to try compete, even in some small way, with the competition, they go and do the opposite and remain with a weak, underpowered console/handheld unit. Good luck trying to have the Switch as your only console within the next 3 years as the PS5/Series X start flexing their next gen muscles.
Nintendo is never going to put an OLED screen in the Switch.Why is almost no one mentioning the OLED screen, that would be a game changer, loved my oled vita, other screens are shit
I would put it differently - customers do care, but they do not have an alternative to Nintendo games, so they put up with it. I would have loved all Switch games in 4K and 60FPS, but I'm not going to get them and Nintendo has a monopoly on certain type of 'game magic' that exists with all their IPs.I think resolution and framerate are not THAT important, as long as the games are fun. This is a very simple truth. Many multi-million sellers on Switch are not 1080p or 60fps. The customers just don't give a shit and still enjoy them.
How so? Vita had it, and it was perfectly fine. People are gaming on OLED TVs with portions of HUD static hours upon hours, also with no burn in.OLED screen... hello burns in.. yup. I am OCD enough as its. no need to make it worse. PASS
I have an OLED Vita, and sold a second one last year. Degradation is a massive issue, and common. Just Google ‘Vita OLED black spot’ and there’s hundreds of forum posts about it.How so? Vita had it, and it was perfectly fine. People are gaming on OLED TVs with portions of HUD static hours upon hours, also with no burn in.
Your phone's battery won't stand a Switch game longer than 5 mins with that screen, either it melts or the device just stops.The fuck is this? My last phone came out nearly 10 years ago and it was rocking a 1440p screen.
Uhh just type vita burns in and you get the results .How so? Vita had it, and it was perfectly fine. People are gaming on OLED TVs with portions of HUD static hours upon hours, also with no burn in.
It can't use DLSS. That requires Tensor cores, which RTX cards have hundreds of on chip. Even like 10 Tensor cores would be larger in die area than the entire Tegra X1 chip.
A big RTX die is just a GPU and its like 750 mm^2 in area. The Tensor cores take up like 25% of that die.
A Tegra X1+ is fucking tiny. No room for DLSS. And that tiny chip has 8 CPUs on it too, not just 256 cuda cores.
It will have an upscaling chip in the dock for 4K output. Same as most 4K UHD Blu-ray players. It can make 1080p content look good enough on a 4K TV.
That's all Nintendo can afford to do in their tiny handheld with an SoC the size of a thumbnail.
I hope so. I love my Switch but want a good upgrade with some level of enhancing original switch titles akin to the PS5 and XBSX.I'm calling it now.
This isn't going to be a Switch Pro. They may be testing for a newer console but that's it.
This is going to end up being the Switch 2.
Upscaling a 720p resolution is not an easy task. There is no magic to solve such a lower resolution, at least for Nintendo to do.
Next Nintendo Switch May Feature DLSS 2.0 Support, Job Ad Suggests
A recent job ad from NVIDIA seems to suggest that the Nintendo Switch successormay feature DLSS 2.0 support, which would do wonderswccftech.com
Maybe this is because Nvidia haven't trained the AI for taking such a resolution for a variety of reasons that Nintendo don't care about, they could even get access to code so they can do their own implementation of DLSS to optimize it for their own purpose.DLSS looks bad when trying to use a 720p image can't imagine this looking any better.
As for it being pro if the unit itself is same hardware then it's still gonna run doom at 30FPS so it's really Pro is it?