Rocco Schiavone
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Yeah great for the year 2013.
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Leak: Switch 2 to use Orin T239 Nvidia Soc , PS4 and PS4 pro performance Without DLSS
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Sleepwalker
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Why not? If the Switcheroo boogaloo 2 comes out in2024,it would be close to 2 years since jetson agx orin has released.
Why would Nintendo pay a premium for basically outdated tech?
zeldaring
Banned
It never fails. Wiiu insiders saying it's 3 x 360 and switch suppose to be between half the power of ps4 lol.We're gonna have a new Nvidia Nintendo chip leaks with insider posts every few weeks for the next couple of months, each getting more and more ridiculous ultimately leading to disappointment when it finally appears
Tarin02543
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DLSS frame generation is Lovelace only I believe so tensor cores would be used to improve docked PQ
Mr Moose
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X to doubt. I hope it will be true but yeahhhh... Probably not. If it is, day one.
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
We need to stop with these threads, it's getting crazy.
Sleepwalker
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The PS4 is extremely weak by now, I dont think its that hard to believe but lets hope.
DeepEnigma
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Don't do this to yourselves.
DownLikeBCPowder
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I guess, Ps4 games still look great to this day to me. Everyone's different I suppose. And really we are talking about a portable here, how powerful do you want it to be exactly? That sounds like a good middle ground between affordable and powerful.Yeah great for the year 2013.
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Mr.Phoenix
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One of those pie-in-the-sky threads.
First of all, XB1s (1.2 fp32 TF) is more along what anyone should expect from the SWitch 2. The steam deck doesn't even have PS4 TF. And there is no amount of docking that is going to take a handheld from 1.2TF all the way up to 4TF. Shit just doesn't that way.
A more realistic optimistic expectation would be 1.2TF (XB1s) in handheld mode and 1.8TF (PS4 perf) in docked mode.
First of all, XB1s (1.2 fp32 TF) is more along what anyone should expect from the SWitch 2. The steam deck doesn't even have PS4 TF. And there is no amount of docking that is going to take a handheld from 1.2TF all the way up to 4TF. Shit just doesn't that way.
A more realistic optimistic expectation would be 1.2TF (XB1s) in handheld mode and 1.8TF (PS4 perf) in docked mode.
ResilientBanana
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Doubt
ThatStupidLion
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Seems pretty par for the course being behind a gen or so in specs
Mr Moose
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Yeah but it's still 3x as powerful as a current Switch, it's the Pro part that is making me doubt it. I would love it to be true, might get some decent AA in their games. Would love to play a great looking Mario Kart.
akaFullmetal
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Nintendo doesn't lose money on hardware, so no way it is using something like this and coming out at $400.
Trogdor1123
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I’d get one of those… Nintendo magic with those would be awesome
Sid Of Bee
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My educated guess is that on paper it will be both less powerful and more powerful than the PS4 in certain areas, but it will be running on less than 15 watts. It will also be using more modern architecture and DLSS so that the image will be more close to modern consoles. Maybe running at a lower resolution with DLSS and/or slower frame rate.
As long as it can get ports it will be fine. And considering the landscape right now it will. They are still servicing the PS4 and we have the Xbox Series S, as well as lower end PCs.
And mobile. We are getting to that spot where it's not about power so much as accessibility and support.
As long as it can get ports it will be fine. And considering the landscape right now it will. They are still servicing the PS4 and we have the Xbox Series S, as well as lower end PCs.
And mobile. We are getting to that spot where it's not about power so much as accessibility and support.
Onironauta
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It's not a matter of price, with current tech a handheld device can't possibly match PS5/XSX performance. The most powerful AMD mobile APU (7840u) is a bit weaker than Series S despite being very expensive.
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Onironauta
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That's because those games are well optimized and they run at lower settings, resolution and fps, on Switch compared to PS4.But technically the current Nintendo Switch has the power similar to a PS4... It can run Doom Eternal, Hellblade and The Witcher 3
PS4's GPU is roughly x10 more powerful than Switch in handheld mode, and PS4 Pro is roughly x10 docked Switch.
For comparison, PSVita was also more or less 10 times weaker than PS3, but running games on a smaller screen at lower resolution does wonders, so the graphics looked similar-ish.
bender
What time is it?
JordiENP
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not really behind considering the scaling tech and the handheld form factor... also power usage and cooling. the ps4 Pro sounds like a jet when pushing some games and is a stationary console.
Kataploom
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What if they do now? They have these new handheld computers emulating switch games almost every month, even if sales are not the big right now, they could be in the future.
Nintendo don't care about power because they don't think they need it, until there's a reason to give it priority and making emulation more difficult seems quite a good reason to do so.
Onironauta
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Well, Switch's GPU doubles its clock speed when docked, going from 0.2 TF to 0.4 TF approximately.
A x10 performance in the next console doesn't sound that unreasonable to me, but I agree that it will probably be a bit weaker (IMHO something like 1.5TF handheld, 3TF docked).
Also, Steam Deck runs on AMD, Switch is ARM + Nvidia, comparing apples to oranges is not that useful.
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The Cockatrice
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If all their old games will be patched/improved to run at 4k/1440p 60 FPS docked then I'm 100% in. I have a lot of games to play. BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT its nintendo lmao. Enjoy hardware worse than your phones.
Mister Wolf
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The Xenoblade games desperately need this.
CrustyBritches
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I’m guessing it will be around a Steam Deck
ManaByte
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Nintendo gave Iwata credit in the Mario movie. It’s still his Nintendo.
In Cold Blood
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I think the uptick in performance makes alot of sense.
With the OG switch there was no competition, so Nintendo could release what they wanted to. Now however, there is far more competition in the handheld Market with ROG, Steam, and more coming down the pipeline. It would be a mistake for Nintendo to go under powered with that much competition.
With the OG switch there was no competition, so Nintendo could release what they wanted to. Now however, there is far more competition in the handheld Market with ROG, Steam, and more coming down the pipeline. It would be a mistake for Nintendo to go under powered with that much competition.
Katajx
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Speculation about all these numbers isn’t fun. It is a handheld, but it also feels like setting the bar absurdly low.
There is no way I could get excited for a switch 2 having PS4 “power”. It will be atleast 7 years since the switch launched before we actually get our hands on this.
I love my switch and some of the games, but going from Wii U to switch wasn’t much of a jump if you look at something like Breath of the Wild. Tears of the Kingdom was great, but a sequel needs to look and feel like it wasn’t possible to make on the Switch.
It’s time for a generational leap, and not so much a baby step forward.
There is no way I could get excited for a switch 2 having PS4 “power”. It will be atleast 7 years since the switch launched before we actually get our hands on this.
I love my switch and some of the games, but going from Wii U to switch wasn’t much of a jump if you look at something like Breath of the Wild. Tears of the Kingdom was great, but a sequel needs to look and feel like it wasn’t possible to make on the Switch.
It’s time for a generational leap, and not so much a baby step forward.
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James Sawyer Ford
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PS4 Pro level Nintendo games in docked mode will look fantastic.
ManaByte
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You will never get that with Nintendo again. People need to accept it and just enjoy the games. The Wii and Switch have sold more than the NES and SNES combined. Iwata’s philosophy of low cost hardware has given Nintendo more success than Yamauchi ever did. They’re not changing.
Buggy Loop
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Has to be better
Under Snapdragon XR gen 2 would be incredibly awkward. Qualcomm did propose the chipset to Nintendo, so picking Nvidia over a chipset that will be mass produced, is proven to be cheap and performs in the 2.4TFlop range for a chipset made by nvidia for under Steam deck's
I mean.. Nintendo right.. but Nvidia must have some pride also to showcase their tech on console space.
Also the idea that Nvidia would propose Nintendo to scale to 4TF to meet PS4 pro is ridiculous. There's no way they aim for that nowadays, the age of native brute force is over. It could reach PS4 pro quality with the usual dock overclock and DLSS. The architectures have changed so much too between then and now. 2.5~3 Tflops from Nvidia's recent architectures ain't playing fair with AMD's PS4 solutions. PS4 pro with Jaguar CPUs
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Well - if they had a cooling assembly that can scale from 5W to 30W it could - but I doubt Nintendo would want their handheld to be as heavy or big as those mobile PCs are.
But what could also be interesting is simply making a (proprietary)GPU dock for it - they could monetize all those upgrade obsessed people more easily with one
Mr.Phoenix
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Katajx
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From the Wii U to the next hardware? It needs to be different. In two generations I think it’s fair to ask of them to seem like they have moved atleast one.
That’s setting the bar low as is.
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cash_longfellow
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Mobilemofo
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Of course it won't be game over to every other console in the market...far from it. Nintendo don't even compete with ms or playstation. They are in their own world.
CrustyBritches
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Deck is 1.6TF, but when comparing handhelds the power consumption and battery life is more important. Deck is consuming 26-28W with ~60-80min battery life to get to its max performance. Switch 2 will probably be running 8-10W.Has to be better
Under Snapdragon XR gen 2 would be incredibly awkward. Qualcomm did propose the chipset to Nintendo, so picking Nvidia over a chipset that will be mass produced, is proven to be cheap and performs in the 2.4TFlop range for a chipset made by nvidia for under Steam deck's 1.4 TFlop?
I mean.. Nintendo right.. but Nvidia must have some pride also to showcase their tech on console space.
Also the idea that Nvidia would propose Nintendo to scale to 4TF to meet PS4 pro is ridiculous. There's no way they aim for that nowadays, the age of native brute force is over. It could reach PS4 pro quality with the usual dock overclock and DLSS. The architectures have changed so much too between then and now. 2.5~3 Tflops from Nvidia's recent architectures ain't playing fair with AMD's PS4 solutions. PS4 pro with Jaguar CPUs
ManaByte
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Nintendo will never join the arms race. Accept it.
Kataploom
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Iirc Switch on FP16 is anyway half what Xbone performance in raw GF since it only has FP32 precision, not counting Nvidia flops for that generation are way more efficient than AMD's.
Katajx
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It’s not an arms race. It’s comparing Nintendo to…Nintendo. A switch successor should produce games that cannot run on the Wii U. Unlike the switch.
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JordiENP
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Deck is also utilizing AMD, Nvidia knows how to control power usage.
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zeldaring
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I keep reading that but it never showed cause Xbox games and switch are not even xlose graphically.
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